Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta vs. All of DB

Originally posted by Slaanesh
what happen in the anime that did't happen in manga is not cannon..i know u said anime..

freeza attack only destroy the core of the planet 😬
the only person that has been show to instantly destroy a planet is BUU..but i know all SSJ can instantly destroy planet..that doesn't mean they can destroy galaxy..u know how big a galaxy is??if u do..then u should know that none of DB char can one shot a galaxy..thats include Broly..

Who gives a shit about the manga when we are talking about Broly and SSJ4s.
Freeza was going to one shot the planet like he did Planet Vegeta, he held back. Master Roshi blew the moon with a power level of 132, Freeza was over 10 million. Freeza can one shot a planet easy and its not even up for debate. Saying otherwise just makes you look bad. To say Goku can "at best" blow 1 planet is ridiculous. Vegeta was going to blow the planet in his fight against Goku if he wasn't stopped. I know how big it is and I know Broly blew it, you can cover your eyes and ears and go LALALA all you want but we see the galaxy go. The gods who watch the galaxies say he blew most of the South Galaxy quadrant which was 4 galaxies strong.

Buu didn't one-shot a galaxy anyway. It had montages/summaries of him destroying an entire galaxy, but he didn't do it in one shot, it was one planet at a time.

How far into the movie is the bit when Broly one-shots the galaxy? At the beginning King Kai says he's torn up most of the south galaxy, but that can't be it- there's nothing to suggest that he one-shotted it.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Who gives a shit about the manga when we are talking about Broly and SSJ4s.
Freeza was going to one shot the planet like he did Planet Vegeta, he held back. Master Roshi blew the moon with a power level of 132, Freeza was over 10 million. Freeza can one shot a planet easy and its not even up for debate. Saying otherwise just makes you look bad. To say Goku can "at best" blow 1 planet is ridiculous. Vegeta was going to blow the planet in his fight against Goku if he wasn't stopped. I know how big it is and I know Broly blew it, you can cover your eyes and ears and go LALALA all you want but we see the galaxy go. The gods who watch the galaxies say he blew most of the South Galaxy quadrant which was 4 galaxies strong.

i didn't say he can't...i know Freeza can one shot a planet..everyone at that power level can..he is nearly as powerfull as an SSJ1..goku SSJ1 at his best can destroy a planet..nothing more..i doubt an SSJ2 can even blow up a solar system..

i know it is shown like he one shot the galaxy..i watch the movie..but that's what i've been arguing..he got one shot by goku..an SSJ1 goku..u don't think that stupid..come on..if he can really destroy galaxy which i believe he can't..getting one shot by goku is bullshit..so..either the one shotting galaxy is stupid..or goku one shotting him is stupid..and i think the one shotting galaxy is stupid..

Originally posted by jimBOFH
Buu didn't one-shot a galaxy anyway. It had montages/summaries of him destroying an entire galaxy, but he didn't do it in one shot, it was one planet at a time.

Its not one planet at a time, they show him start one planet at a time and then we see a whole galaxy blown at the same time. and the East Kai says he destroyed several galaxies.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
i didn't say he can't...i know Freeza can one shot a planet..everyone at that power level can..he is nearly as powerfull as an SSJ1..goku SSJ1 at his best can destroy a planet..nothing more..i doubt an SSJ2 can even blow up a solar system..

i know it is shown like he one shot the galaxy..i watch the movie..but that's what i've been arguing..he got one shot by goku..an SSJ1 goku..u don't think that stupid..come on..if he can really destroy galaxy which i believe he can't..getting one shot by goku is bullshit..so..either the one shotting galaxy is stupid..or goku one shotting him is stupid..and i think the one shotting galaxy is stupid..

Thats bull. Freeza can blow earth in one blast easily, at his best Goku in SSJ is far far above Freeza. Like I just said Roshi one shotted the moon at 132 and Vegeta waaaay below 100,000 was going to destroy Earth. Goku can do a lot more than blow 1 planet.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Its not one planet at a time, they show him start one planet at a time and then we see a whole galaxy blown at the same time. and the East Kai says he destroyed several galaxies.

From what I can see, it doesn't tell you one way or the other if he one-shotted them or not. It's a summary, not a blow-by-blow reconstruction of his destruction of a galaxy. It certainly leaves you room to interpret it to mean that he one-shotted it, if you want, but personally i don't think that's what it means. If Supreme Kai had said "Entire galaxies reduced to cinders in a single attack" or "in an instant", then it'd be definitive, but he doesn't say that, he just says "Entire galaxies destroyed".

And it's the same with Broly's one. They're both summaries for dramatic effect, not accurate depictions of what happened. If Broly had one-shotted the south galaxy, you'd expect to see an incredibly large ki wave emanating from a single point, absorbing everything. Instead, you see it sort of disintegrate. It's not showing the physical attack.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Thats bull. Freeza can blow earth in one blast easily, at his best Goku in SSJ is far far above Freeza. Like I just said Roshi one shotted the moon at 132 and Vegeta waaaay below 100,000 was going to destroy Earth. Goku can do a lot more than blow 1 planet.

no..at best he can blow one planet in SSJ1 form..if he want to blow up two..he have to go from one planet to the other..

Originally posted by jimBOFH
From what I can see, it doesn't tell you one way or the other if he one-shotted them or not. It's a summary, not a blow-by-blow reconstruction of his destruction of a galaxy. It certainly leaves you room to interpret it to mean that he one-shotted it, if you want, but personally i don't think that's what it means. If Supreme Kai had said "Entire galaxies reduced to cinders in a single attack" or "in an instant", then it'd be definitive, but he doesn't say that, he just says "Entire galaxies destroyed".

He wouldn't say that because whats being shown is only the destruction of one galaxy and a few planets. Most people would interpret it how I said because they make the distinction visually from him blowing planet by planet then to the whole galaxy going at once. besides the fact that it would take a ridiculous amount of speed to destroy a whole galaxy planet by planet. same for Broly.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
no..at best he can blow one planet in SSJ1 form..if he want to blow up two..he have to go from one planet to the other..

There is no cap on ssj it rises with his base. but anyway I like how you didn't refute any part of the evidence I mentioned. So I'll be like you and NO U WRONG IM RITE.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
He wouldn't say that because whats being shown is only the destruction of one galaxy and a few planets. Most people would interpret it how I said because they make the distinction visually from him blowing planet by planet then to the whole galaxy going at once. besides the fact that it would take a ridiculous amount of speed to destroy a whole galaxy planet by planet. same for Broly.

That's because it's a summary. So they show you a few cases in detail- the planets being blown up- and then show you the galaxy, instead of actually showing you each planet individually. It's also been compressed- it DID take Buu much longer than those 10 seconds to destroy all that.

As for Broly, what Paragus says to Vegeta proves that the opening scene does not mean Broly one shotted, or even destroyed, the entire South Galaxy. He's doing it one planet, or possibly one star, at a time- Paragus says "The LSSJ is wreaking havoc over the south galaxy. At his current pace, he'll destroy our new Planet Vegeta soon."

In both cases where they show galaxies disintegrating, it's supposed to be a simple summary of a complex and lengthy event. It's like when war documentaries summarise a campaign by showing a wave of colour moving across a map- you can't interpret it literally.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
There is no cap on ssj it rises with his base. but anyway I like how you didn't refute any part of the evidence I mentioned. So I'll be like you and NO U WRONG IM RITE.

what evidence??the one when u say "Roshi one shotted the moon at 132 and Vegeta waaaay below 100,000 was going to destroy Earth"..so what??that doesn't mean anything..it doesn't even mean SSJ1 goku can destroy more than one planet in a single blow..BUU only destroy earth with his blast and BUU >> SSJ3..there is a large distance between planet...u need a really powerfull blast to actualy destroy two planet..and i don't think DB char have that..

Originally posted by jimBOFH
That's because it's a summary. So they show you a few cases in detail- the planets being blown up- and then show you the galaxy, instead of actually showing you each planet individually. It's also been compressed- it DID take Buu much longer than those 10 seconds to destroy all that.

As for Broly, what Paragus says to Vegeta proves that the opening scene does not mean Broly one shotted, or even destroyed, the entire South Galaxy. He's doing it one planet, or possibly one star, at a time- Paragus says "The LSSJ is wreaking havoc over the south galaxy. At his current pace, he'll destroy our new Planet Vegeta soon."

In both cases where they show galaxies disintegrating, it's supposed to be a simple summary of a complex and lengthy event. It's like when war documentaries summarise a campaign by showing a wave of colour moving across a map- you can't interpret it literally.

Except they did show each planet individually then they show a galaxy near the planets go up simultaneously. Do you know how ridiculously faster than the speed of light they'd have to be too blow a galaxy one by one? The galaxy didn't just fade piece by piece, the whole thing radiates with energy and then goes. anything paragus might have said to vegeta is a lie meant to keep vegeta on a goose chase.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
what evidence??the one when u say "Roshi one shotted the moon at 132 and Vegeta waaaay below 100,000 was going to destroy Earth"..so what??that doesn't mean anything..it doesn't even mean SSJ1 goku can destroy more than one planet in a single blow..BUU only destroy earth with his blast and BUU >> SSJ3..there is a large distance between planet...u need a really powerfull blast to actualy destroy two planet..and i don't think DB char have that..

😂 It means more than you repeatedly ignoring what happens and saying 'i dont think so' with nothing to back up your statements. You said at best he can blow 1 planet, I brought up examples of people far below him being able to blow 1 planet. Buu's blast was nothing special to him. Its obvious Goku has enough destructive power to where he can destroy a planet many times over. Blowing earth was something Freeza could do easily.

It only took Vegeta and Nappa one year to cross the galaxy, with a couple of stopovers. So Buu could probably destroy most of the galaxy in 10-20 years.

Secondly, Paragus isn't lying, because they go to the "new Planet Vegeta". Thirdly, the level of destruction on the planet Goku teleports to is not what you'd expect from any attack that could destroy an entire galaxy- because it's an area attack, not a single focused beam, it would have to be powerful enough to destroy everything in its path, not just topple buildings and kill people, otherwise it wouldn't be able to go past the first planet it encountered in any direction.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
😂 It means more than you repeatedly ignoring what happens and saying 'i dont think so' with nothing to back up your statements. You said at best he can blow 1 planet, I brought up examples of people far below him being able to blow 1 planet. Buu's blast was nothing special to him. Its obvious Goku has enough destructive power to where he can destroy a planet many times over. Blowing earth was something Freeza could do easily.

i know he can destroy planet way bigger than earth..i was talking about two planet..that have a distance between them..can goku destroy earth and mars or the entire solar system in one blow??u seem to believe he can..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
i know he can destroy planet way bigger than earth..i was talking about two planet..that have a distance between them..can goku destroy earth and mars or the entire solar system in one blow??u seem to believe he can..

Well, the easiest way to destroy Earth and Mars simultaneously would be to blow up the sun- if you could trigger a supernova it would destroy the inner planets for sure. Destroying them Earth and Mars directly, with one attack, would be quite hard though- it's hard to say how powerful they'd have to be to do it, seeing as their attacks become much more focused as the series goes on. The problem is that an attack which destroys 2 planets would not just be twice as powerful as an attack which would destroy one planet, in the same way that a planet twice the distance from the sun doesn't receive half the energy from sunlight that the earth does- it's 1/(distance squared) instead.

Originally posted by jimBOFH
How far into the movie is the bit when Broly one-shots the galaxy? At the beginning King Kai says he's torn up most of the south galaxy, but that can't be it- there's nothing to suggest that he one-shotted it.

exactly look how far planets are away from each other do you know how long it would take for a ki blast from earth to reach to mars? Im pretty sure it would die out

Originally posted by yungz22
exactly look how far planets are away from each other do you know how long it would take for a ki blast from earth to reach to mars? Im pretty sure it would die out

and people believe Broly one shot a galaxy 😆

Originally posted by yungz22
i know ssj2 is also called an ascended saiyan

watch what piccolo says ssj2 is also called an ascended saiyan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwHHxCNkZN4

Ssj4 Gogeta probably has the spirit clenser technuue he has in ssj2, if he does, no evil beings from anime/manga/comics could beat him !!!