Originally posted by Magee😂
Great Answer. and what about all the souls of the past 2000 years that haven't heard it? For a debatable sake lets say God made us all.. We have the knowledge of good and evil. So people ,whether they know the Bible or not ,know Killing is wrong,know stealing is wrong,know taking a mans wife is wrong, know being a liar is wrong. These things are in us. We don't need a teacher to tell us these things. These Natives have it in them to be good or evil and will be judged according to their social construct. And according to the Apocatistasis we all have Gods Grace. SO the Native who shares his monkey meat and tries to keep peace with incurring tribes and doesn't steal any ones wife will receive mercy. I hope everyone realize i am generalizing so don't pick each word apart.
Ok Gav and Chaos lay it on me 😆
Originally posted by NonSensi-KlownIn modern times, not many maybe a few thousand or so but isn't on life to God just as precious as the other? Now if you want to go back a few hundred to a thousand years then you are looking at most of the population of the Earth.
Who on Earth honestly don't know about Christianity?
Originally posted by Da Pittman
In modern times, not many maybe a few thousand or so but isn't on life to God just as precious as the other? Now if you want to go back a few hundred to a thousand years then you are looking at most of the population of the Earth.
If I may add my 2cents DP I believe All life is precious to God. And He did not set us up for an eternity in Hell. Think about the amount of souls that would be in Hell comparatively to those who would be in Heaven. That would be inherently Evil in itself which God is not.
Originally posted by Magee
I know this, it's the reason why I asked the question. I'm really asking the people (if there are any here) who beleive every word of the bible or at least the parts that relate to the question. I don't know what sect of Christianity that is, Catholic maybe. Although I don't expect to get a rational answer I'm still interested in what they have to say about it.
The Catholics pushed this concept of Hell to administer their Authority over the populace. To scare them into coming to Church . Early peoples were very afraid of the afterlife and Demons and because the commoner could not read Latin they could not read the Bible for themselves so the Catholics had a monopoly on the Afterlife game which was very powerful to superstitious peoples. The Pope had the ability to condemn you to Hell. This Held more Power than any King.That's it.
Originally posted by LycanthropeIf you look at the numbers 100% of the population would be going to Hell before Christianity came into being, and today (at best) about 66% but more likely 80%. Seems God's word is not getting around. 😆
If I may add my 2cents DP I believe All life is precious to God. And He did not set us up for an eternity in Hell. Think about the amount of souls that would be in Hell comparatively to those who would be in Heaven. That would be inherently Evil in itself which God is not.
Originally posted by Magee
I know this, it's the reason why I asked the question. I'm really asking the people (if there are any here) who beleive every word of the bible or at least the parts that relate to the question. I don't know what sect of Christianity that is, Catholic maybe. Although I don't expect to get a rational answer I'm still interested in what they have to say about it.
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Originally posted by Magee
What about people who don't know about Christianity or have never had the opportunity to learn about it? A lot of people don't have a bible available to them, God's solution is to let them burn in hell.
According to you. According to me anyone who lives a good life should be safe from going to hell (see Lycanthrope's point below)
Originally posted by Magee
Compariing it to the law is not the same as every one in there country has access to those laws and knows them (generally).
It's much better than your example and anyway that's what missionaries are for. Besides most people have at least heard of Christianity.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
Great Answer. and what about all the souls of the past 2000 years that haven't heard it? For a debatable sake lets say God made us all.. We have the knowledge of good and evil. So people ,whether they know the Bible or not ,know Killing is wrong,know stealing is wrong,know taking a mans wife is wrong, know being a liar is wrong. These things are in us. We don't need a teacher to tell us these things. These Natives have it in them to be good or evil and will be judged according to their social construct. And according to the Apocatistasis we all have Gods Grace. SO the Native who shares his monkey meat and tries to keep peace with incurring tribes and doesn't steal any ones wife will receive mercy. I hope everyone realize i am generalizing so don't pick each word apart.Ok Gav and Chaos lay it on me 😆
Good answer.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
If you look at the numbers 100% of the population would be going to Hell before Christianity came into being, and today (at best) about 66% but more likely 80%. Seems God's word is not getting around. 😆
80% of people haven't even heard of Christianity? I find that extremely difficult to believe.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosNot that they haven't heard of it which I said in my earlier post but that they will be going to hell. About 2 billion people "believe" in Christ, then you have all the different denominations that fall under Christianity and some say that you have to follow their faith and others just pay lip-service to the religion but really do not follow the religion. You take them into account that should take out about half of that 2 billion number so that would leave about 5 billion people today going to hell.
80% of people haven't even heard of Christianity? I find that extremely difficult to believe.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Not that they haven't heard of it which I said in my earlier post but that they will be going to hell. About 2 billion people "believe" in Christ, then you have all the different denominations that fall under Christianity and some say that you have to follow their faith and others just pay lip-service to the religion but really do not follow the religion. You take them into account that should take out about half of that 2 billion number so that would leave about 5 billion people today going to hell.
If God were really that petty wouldn't only a single denomination of a single faith be making it to heaven? That would be far less than 20% of people.
Originally posted by Magee
Ask some one of the Christian faith why God allows bad things to happen and they will likely associate it with the fact that God gave us free will so we could do as we please or make our own decisions.
True, but what's the problem? Without free will, life would be meaningless. We'd have zero freedom to act and think for ourselves. We'd be puppets with no intrinsic value. In other words, if God punished those while NOT having free will, such actions would be insane, not to mention scary!
Originally posted by Magee
If this is the case then why are we punished for the choices God allowed us to make?
We have free will; that's the beauty of it all! But that doesn't negate the fact that some actions come with consequences. Do the crime; do the time. God does not force people to steal TV sets or rape 12 year old girls. You simply must understand, you can't have life without free will -- the freedom to choose! God wants to give life, not take it away. People are responsible for their own actions, not God. Who are you fooling?
Originally posted by Magee
Why do Heaven and Hell exist?
Because free will exists. Think about that for a moment.
Originally posted by Magee
Would you give a baby a loaded gun and punish it for shooting some one and reward it for not.
Of course not, and either would God.
Originally posted by Magee
We have free will until we do some thing God does not like then it is eternal pain and suffering, better luck next time.
Free will is free will; don't confuse it with consequences.
Originally posted by Magee
Apparantly God enjoys punishing people who didn't think or even know they did some thing wrong.
Are you stipulating that Jesus -- being that God enjoys punishing people who didn't think or even know they did some thing wrong -- is punishment also?
Originally posted by Magee
Why is our contract of free will terminated once we die?
First of all, free will is not a "contract." It is life -- freedom -- itself. God gave it to mankind because we have intrinsic value. God loves us. And free will is not "terminated." For better or worse, consequences are the end result of free will, but God did not force them.
Originally posted by ushomefreeIt is not free will, think about that for a moment.
True, but what's the problem? Without free will, life would be meaningless. We'd have zero freedom to act and think for ourselves. We'd be puppets with no intrinsic value. In other words, if God punished those while NOT having free will, such actions would be insane, not to mention scary!We have free will; that's the beauty of it all! But that doesn't negate the fact that some actions come with consequences. Do the crime; do the time. God does not force people to steal TV sets or rape 12 year old girls. You simply must understand, you can't have life without free will -- the freedom to choose! God wants to give life, not take it away. People are responsible for their own actions, not God. Who are you fooling?
Because free will exists. Think about that for a moment.
Of course not, and either would God.
Free will is free will; don't confuse it with consequences.
Are you stipulating that Jesus -- being that God enjoys punishing people who didn't think or even know they did some thing wrong -- is punishment also?
First of all, free will is not a "contract." It is life -- freedom -- itself. God gave it to mankind because we have intrinsic value. God loves us. And free will is not "terminated." For better or worse, consequences are the end result of free will, but God did not force them.
How would God making us so that we believe in him have to deal with our choices of day to day life? You can still live where you want, marry the woman that you want and do the job that you want. You can see the movies, eat and do everything that you still do now but the only difference is that you believe in him. you can still follow the type of Christan faith but you still believe in God and Christ therefore you are not going to suffer for all time in Hell.
How about looking at it this way, just as a child is born the parents are responsible to teach them, show them how not to get hurt and teach them right from wrong. The child doesn't have its free will to make its own decisions until it has grown up and can make decisions for them selves. Parents just don't hand a book to a 1 year old and say this is all that you need to know now go out and be a good person, they personaly teach the child unlike what God has done for us. Now before you go and say that kids and adults are different, we are just 1 year olds compared to God.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
How about looking at it this way, just as a child is born the parents are responsible to teach them, show them how not to get hurt and teach them right from wrong. The child doesn't have its free will to make its own decisions until it has grown up and can make decisions for them selves. Parents just don't hand a book to a 1 year old and say this is all that you need to know now go out and be a good person, they personaly teach the child unlike what God has done for us. Now before you go and say that kids and adults are different, we are just 1 year olds compared to God.
We're not one year olds when it comes to reading comprehension, which is what important when you give someone a book.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosIn a way we are, we are given a book that is supposed to be the Word of God, which tries to describe the workings of a being so far above us it makes us look like single cell life. The book reference is more of a metaphor, which means that God gave us a set of instruction written down in a book or spoken to a person thousands of years ago and told us to follow them without any other “parental instructions”.
We're not one year olds when it comes to reading comprehension, which is what important when you give someone a book.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
In a way we are, we are given a book that is supposed to be the Word of God, which tries to describe the workings of a being so far above us it makes us look like single cell life. The book reference is more of a metaphor, which means that God gave us a set of instruction written down in a book or spoken to a person thousands of years ago and told us to follow them without any other “parental instructions”.
Actually,
He sent you the prophets to lead you.
He sent his son to redeem you.
He sent the Holy Spirit to teach you.
He sent the Church to guide you..
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav1. Prophets died a LONG time ago
Actually,
He sent you the prophets to lead you.
He sent his son to redeem you.
He sent the Holy Spirit to teach you.
He sent the Church to guide you..
It would be like me teaching my kids something and expecting my teachings to be passed down for a century and expecting it not to be twisted or skewed along the way.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
1. Prophets died a LONG time ago
2. Same as above
3. Never seen it
4. Full of corrupt and evil people that have twisted the words. The church is going by what was written thousand of years ago.It would be like me teaching my kids something and expecting my teachings to be passed down for a century and expecting it not to be twisted or skewed along the way.
Just because you reject the help that was offered...