Cassandra Cain Vs Elektra

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
It's not like intellect has ever helped out batman before.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
It's not like intellect has ever helped out batman before.

Doesn't really come into play in a melee fight unless you are fighting a complete moron.

Is this Elektra before she became a skrull?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Is this Elektra before she became a skrull?

Anyone have the scans of Elektra fighting a SuperSkrull?

Originally posted by Mindset
Anyone have the scans of Elektra fighting a SuperSkrull?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
elektra fought a super skrull? what issue was this?

Originally posted by Mindset
Was in NA: Secret Invasion I think, this was while they were trying to replace her.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
are you sure? becuases I prity posotive she was shown being replaced during 2003 during her mini call agent of the hand I believe

http://images.wizarduniverse.com/WizardUniverse/Previews/PREV423/emh716-4.jpg

Originally posted by Mindset
It was Mighty Avengers 16.

http://images.wizarduniverse.com/WizardUniverse/Previews/PREV423/emh716-4.jpg

Back in 2003 Elektra last mini she walks in a room and see her self lying on a table and thats how it ended. So they finally showed the battle between her and her skrull copy

Yea, she killed one skrull, but was later killed, obviously.

Was a pretty good showing, unfortunately I deleted the comic.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, she killed one skrull, but was later killed, obviously.

Was a pretty good showing, unfortunately I deleted the comic.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, she killed one skrull, but was later killed, obviously.

Was a pretty good showing, unfortunately I deleted the comic.

Do you think she is dead? It's a bit ambigous.
Hope she gets brought back somehow. 🙁

Elektra has ridiculous speed feats. Yet Batgirl I think hat flat out dodged bullets. 😬 She is bloody quick.
Durability wise I have no idea.
Strength I have no idea.
Skill. Batman was unable to touch Batbitch.....sorry Batgirl when she had her reading ability.........She is vey very good.
Also has Elektra's mind skill ever been used on other top tier intelligent people? Honest question.
I think they are even to be fair.

Here we are point blank range bullet dodging.
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batgirl017179ax.jpg
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batgirl017180dn.jpg

This one is mad.Check the scans in the middle of the page when she is a child. No peeking bullet dodge.....when she was a child.
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batgirl02210116yx.jpg

Crazy dsarming.
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batgirlssecretfiles0104057qf.jpg

Decks 6 dudes before beer bottle hits the ground.
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gothamcitysecretfilespg033jc.jpg
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gothamcitysecretfilespg049nu.jpg
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gothamcitysecretfilespg050dp.jpg

By the way Batgirl learned escrima in five minutes

Ok now these Speed feats are insane.
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batgirl10pg119mk.jpg
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batgirl10pg126jn.jpg
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batgirl10pg135pp.jpg

Some more.
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batgirl13pg013ui.jpg
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batgirl13pg026ds.jpg
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batgirl13pg031oj.jpg
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batgirl13pg049po.jpg

I personally don't think Elektra's speed feats trump these.

By DC MA standards, elite marvel MA woudl most likly only be second tier IMO. With that said, I'd give Cassandra the majority.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
By DC MA standards, elite marvel MA woudl most likly only be second tier IMO.

😐

Richard Dragon is the closest thing DC has to Shang-chi. Richard, Shiva and Cass are all pretty much interchangeable for the top three DC MAs (ignoring Karate Kid, Drakon and O-Sensie) but there are people established as being above Shang-chi in Marvel's MA pantheon. If anything top tier DC MAs would be second tier in Marvel.

*shrug*

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Richard Dragon is the closest thing DC has to Shang-chi. Richard, Shiva and Cass are all pretty much interchangeable for the top three DC MAs (ignoring Karate Kid, Drakon and O-Sensie) but there are people established as being above Shang-chi in Marvel's MA pantheon. If anything top tier DC MAs would be second tier in Marvel.

*shrug*

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Richard Dragon is the closest thing DC has to Shang-chi. Richard, Shiva and Cass are all pretty much interchangeable for the top three DC MAs (ignoring Karate Kid, Drakon and O-Sensie) but there are people established as being above Shang-chi in Marvel's MA pantheon. If anything top tier DC MAs would be second tier in Marvel.

*shrug*

Shang chi is top tier for sure, but he is more of an uber chi amper to me. But based on base martial arts skill, fighting ability and knowledge expressed through feats I wouldn't even put him above Batman let alone Richard Dragon.I rate Dragon because he called Bat's a 'talented ameteur' or something. Batman's sheer bulk of MA feats, ie nerve strikes,masters he's clobbered, the attention paid to portraying his training, sheer amount of time dedicated to tying the character to MA trumps most people's in both companies I think. Also many of Batman's losses or encounters where he came off worse occurred in older Batman comics. I doubt he would be portrayed lose to the Bronze Tiger now for example. Also Shang chi with all his insane chi ampage got totally embarrassed by Logan in four panels was it? Not that I don't think Logan isn't top tier or that Shang should have lost....but that was painful.
I personally would say Cap and Bats are about the same, maybe Cap having the edge in ability because of his enhanced brain. Yet Cap has never shown any nerve striking or other knowledge to the level of even DD, never mind Bats. I think you underrate the DC MA's bigtime.

By the way Drakon is sick. Didn't he deck the Green Arrow crew?Though I wouldn't put him any near KK or O-Sensei. Meh.