Originally posted by Warrior18
Yep. I think it's hard to compare top tiers skill wise because they essentially do the same stuff. Guess we have to settle for the odd canon crossover to help decide. 😄However DC doesn't have any ampers who can do the things Iron Fist is capable of though.
Karate Kid has super-karate which is amping. He can increase his strength, speed, and durability, among other things.
Then there is I-Ching who can manipulate chi, iirc.
Originally posted by Warrior18
Shang chi is top tier for sure, but he is more of an uber chi amper to me. But based on base martial arts skill, fighting ability and knowledge expressed through feats I wouldn't even put him above Batman let alone Richard Dragon.I rate Dragon because he called Bat's a 'talented ameteur' or something. Batman's sheer bulk of MA feats, ie nerve strikes,masters he's clobbered, the attention paid to portraying his training, sheer amount of time dedicated to tying the character to MA trumps most people's in both companies I think. Also many of Batman's losses or encounters where he came off worse occurred in older Batman comics. I doubt he would be portrayed lose to the Bronze Tiger now for example. Also Shang chi with all his insane chi ampage got totally embarrassed by Logan in four panels was it? Not that I don't think Logan isn't top tier or that Shang should have lost....but that was painful.
I personally would say Cap and Bats are about the same, maybe Cap having the edge in ability because of his enhanced brain. Yet Cap has never shown any nerve striking or other knowledge to the level of even DD, never mind Bats. I think you underrate the DC MA's bigtime.By the way Drakon is sick. Didn't he deck the Green Arrow crew?Though I wouldn't put him any near KK or O-Sensei. Meh.
Cap actually has some decent feats as far as nerve strikes and such are concerned...
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/cap%20speed/skill/CaptainAmerica329-MoversandMonsters.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/cap%20speed/skill/Invaders082005page07.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/cap%20speed/skill/Invaders082005page08.jpg
Originally posted by darthgoober
Cap actually has some decent feats as far as nerve strikes and such are concerned...http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/cap%20speed/skill/Invaders082005page07.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/cap%20speed/skill/Invaders082005page08.jpg
Lol. Was that US Agent he made cry?
Old comics were funny. Cap dressing up as Red Skull. 😂
Originally posted by Battlehammer
you be msitaken then.You clearly don't know how good elektra is............
for one thing telepathy>>>>reading body langauge.
another elektra has superior strength and durbaility feats.
another elektra has moved so fast under water that the human eye was unable to see her movements.............which is superior then any speed feat of batgirl
Sounds like I need to read some more Elektra.
Batgirl has moved fast enough that she ran right by a couple of guys and they think they caught a flicker of movement but they weren't sure. She has stood there and let guys aim guns and pull the triggers and still stood there watching the bullets coming at her and then sidestepping, moving several feet to behind the gunmen and hitting them from behind even as the bullets they fired hit the wall.
There was a training session where she hit Batman so fast he didn't even know she had hit him until blood started coming out of his mouth.
I don't know Elektra's strength and durability and I'm not saying Batgirl wins. But she has punched through concrete and taken high impact slams into concrete by low power level super strength guys. Plus she has the body reading. All in all, it would make an interesting fight and an interesting crossover.
