Post-Timeskip Shikamaru vs. Post-TS Sasuke

Originally posted by Terryc250
Naruto does do genius things every now and then (because he's the main character of course) but he also falls for stupid things as well, like being caught in itachi's gejutsu over and over, but definately not "90%" of characters do those things, only the smart ones + naruto. Sasuke is a genius, even Kishi claims he is =\

Kakashi copies sharingan perfectly just as well as Sasuke, but Sasuke's ability to become faster, stronger, etc and basically become an overall better fighter is better then Kakashi.

I'd think he would take more wins then losses, I don't see Kakashi being able to take on Deidara, or go toe to toe with Itachi genjutsu like Sasuke was able to.

Sasuke doesn't have the sharingan draining his chakra all the time. Kakashi does. The sharingan is a double edge sword in Kakashi while Sasuke's body can handle it fine and he can turn it off.

And Kakashi would beat Deidara...Deidara's attacks would be defused just like Sasuke did. And Kakashi would just Kamui him if he blew up. And Sasuke beat an Itachi who didn't want to win, and was dying. How nice of him to battle genjutsu with an opponent not really trying.

Originally posted by Kento
No. He learns quick because of the sharingan. And great he makes things up quick..like when?

Seriously what else has he done that he thought up off the fly besides Manda which in itself with PIS because he was said to be low on chakra, and didn't even begin to summon Manda until after the explosion. Which Manda shouldn't have even been able to arrive before Sasuke was dead.

Name one time anybody has been able to overpower the shadow? Tayuya was keeping it from choking her but Shikamaru was also nearly out of chakra. The only times I can remember it being overpowered where only in the anime.

And flashbangs keep sharingan from being used on him because Sasuke is blinded, and after that Shikamaru just needs to finish him off with whichever trap he has set up in those twenty minutes.

actually he did start to summon him before the explosion

Originally posted by Terryc250
Naruto does do genius things every now and then (because he's the main character of course)

And Sawsgay is stated to be a "genius", even though his feats are lacking, because Kishi's mouth is slobbering all over his nuts. 😐

but he also falls for stupid things as well, like being caught in itachi's gejutsu over and over,

Who hasn't? Even Sawsgay got caught in one of his genjutsus when he fought him the last time. And in the end it turns out that Itachi wasn't going all out anyway.

but definately not "90%" of characters do those things, only the smart ones + naruto. Sasuke is a genius, even Kishi claims he is =\

And there are a lot of "smart ones", so obviously the title of "genius" doesn't mean a whole lot in the naruto-verse, considering every other ninja who has more than five episodes of screen time has done something sneaky.

Kakashi copies sharingan perfectly just as well as Sasuke, but Sasuke's ability to become faster, stronger, etc and basically become an overall better fighter is better then Kakashi.

Kakashi's sharingan is also inferior.

I'd think he would take more wins then losses, I don't see Kakashi being able to take on Deidara, or go toe to toe with Itachi genjutsu like Sasuke was able to.

That's because he never got the chance to fight Deidera one on one with no outside circumstances, he shares the same raiton as Sawsgay anyway, and has similar long range electric attacks. Sawsgay didn't beat an Itachi whow as actually trying, so moot point.

Originally posted by yungz22
actually he did start to summon him before the explosion

Originally posted by Kento
Hmm interesting didn't notice that..But doesn't a pattern usually form when somebody summons something..Or was that anime effect only?

i think its anime

http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.15750/page.17/

It does have the effect..But it could just be no attention to detail. Or he could just be leaning over. Though it makes sense that he's starting to summon there.

sasuke is too fast.