Originally posted by sigma-ct42
for the record. the whole over 9000 thing was a mistranslation. the actual line was: "over 8000!"
Right if we are going to say how much weight they cna lift
Pre King Kai Trainging- Goku= 2,000 Tons
Tien = 800 Tons
Yamcha= 750 Tons
Piccolo jr= 1,800 Tons
Krillin= 780tons
Master Roshi(buff) = 500 Tons
THESE ARE MY PERSONAL ESTIMATES, Goku was able to send chi chi flying out of the rin by merely thrustign his fists at her, a move only soemone well over a 100tonne could do ( piccolo does state that it is a demon techniuque, probably taught to gouk by kami but it i a move that usues physical strength NOT ki)
Wait if goku can lift 2000 tons at the beginning of the sayain saga why was 10 times gravity on king kais world such a challenge? Goku's body would of only weighed around a ton. It'd be like me keeling over in 1.1 times Earths gravity.
Wouldn't that also make him stronger than buu saga Goku who struggled with 40 tons?
The thing people misunderstand is, they think more PL = more energy output, which has never really been proven, this is where alot of the DBZ hype comes from, they think "Omg look at how powerful a ssj goku is, he gets even 50x more powerlevel, that means he can take out 50x as much planets!" which is false, for example:
Moon busting= PL of 139.
Raditz's powerlevel was 1500. He should hae been able to destroy the EARTH 4 times over.
Now lets take a look at 2nd form Frieza,
His PL was 1,000,000. By logic Frieza should be destroying a planet(in second form) 1798 times over.
Now SSJ Goku was 150 mil. By logic he should be able to destroy a planet: 269,784 times over(As you can see, this is WAY above solar system busting level and this is just SSJ Goku in the Frieza saga...Kinda makes you wonder why Super Perfect Cell bragged about being able to destroy a solar system....
Super Perfect Cell's PL is estimated(And this estimation is considered canon apperently) to be about 350,000,000....
Well by this logic....
Super Perfect Cell could destroy a planet: 629,496 times over.
Which is entirely not true, Super Saiyan Vegeta's big bang attack wasn't even close to destroying the planet, and if a powerlevel of 139 is capable of destroying the moon, then having over a 1,000,000x that higher just the smallest energy blast should beable to take out more then half the planet.
Another example is Majin Vegeta when he self-destructed to destroy Buu, he exerted his power, and if we follow the PL = more poweroutput, then that should've taken out countless planets, yet it couldn't even take out half of one.
Actually, to use Vegeta's attacks as an example- he channels his ki so as not to destroy the planet with his attacks. His final flash is way more than enough to destroy the earth, but he focuses it only on cell, avoiding hitting the earth with any of the energy. I imagine that his self-destruction attack was similarly controlled so as not to hit the earth.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Actually destroying the earth takes almost 2000 times as much energy as destroying the moon (GBE formula). As for destroying multiple things in space with one attack, the inverse-square law makes that number increase massively....I can show you guys how the math works if you're interested
How does that change the fact that the pl's are lopsided proportionally?
And Tercyc250, the solar system is WAY more than 269,784 bigger than the earth. The sun alone is a million times bigger.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Actually destroying the earth takes almost 2000 times as much energy as destroying the moon (GBE formula). As for destroying multiple things in space with one attack, the inverse-square law makes that number increase massively....I can show you guys how the math works if you're interested
Thanks I was going to work it out myself but didn't have time to go though the math so I just made a guess.
Any idea whats needed for solar destruction? I remember it been roughly a billion times the energy needed to wipe out earth.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Wait if goku can lift 2000 tons at the beginning of the sayain saga why was 10 times gravity on king kais world such a challenge? Goku's body would of only weighed around a ton. It'd be like me keeling over in 1.1 times Earths gravity.Wouldn't that also make him stronger than buu saga Goku who struggled with 40 tons?
henc ei sya my opinion, Goku struggeled with one ton weight, when in dragonball as a kid hed coped with more than thta MUCH MORE !!. King Kais planet should have had 1000X Gravity to make it more realistic then have the train in even higher gravity etc...
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Actually destroying the earth takes almost 2000 times as much energy as destroying the moon (GBE formula). As for destroying multiple things in space with one attack, the inverse-square law makes that number increase massively....I can show you guys how the math works if you're interested
Originally posted by BradBalboa
henc ei sya my opinion, Goku struggeled with one ton weight, when in dragonball as a kid hed coped with more than thta MUCH MORE !!. King Kais planet should have had 1000X Gravity to make it more realistic then have the train in even higher gravity etc...
It could well of been higher gravity however why would they refer to weights based off mass they'd have on Earth? If it weighed the equivalent of 400 tons on the kai planet thanks to gravity they would say it weighed 400 tons not 40.
Originally posted by jimBOFH
Wouldn't it be proportional to the volume of the blast- presuming the blast is spherical, the energy would be proportional to 4/3 Pi times the radius cubed, and in addition a planet on the edge of the solar system would receive less energy from the blast due to the inverse square law than one at the centre of the blast?
Logic and math does not apply in DBZ.
It's based on the mass of the planet and the gravity it creates - once you get to a certain size of object, the major force holding it together is gravity - you can calculate it with this formula:
Where U = the energy required to destroy it (in joules), G = the gravitational constant, M = the object's mass, and r = the object's radius.
(Note that this only works for objects held together primarily by their own gravity, such as moons, planets, large asteroids, stars, etc.)
Originally posted by Endless Mike
It's based on the mass of the planet and the gravity it creates - once you get to a certain size of object, the major force holding it together is gravity - you can calculate it with this formula:Where U = the energy required to destroy it (in joules), G = the gravitational constant, M = the object's mass, and r = the object's radius.
(Note that this only works for objects held together primarily by their own gravity, such as moons, planets, large asteroids, stars, etc.)
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Logic and math does not apply in DBZ.