How Strong ar the Z fighters???

Well if you really want to try to answer questions like this thread is asking, you have to use some kind of science or else it's pointless

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well if you really want to try to answer questions like this thread is asking, you have to use some kind of science or else it's pointless

Using science then, a farmer w/a shotgun can one shot a mountain. Don't mess with farmers!!!!!

Thats not science thats treating power levels as logical scale.

You have to use some logic, and Galvaclaw is right- it may well not be a linear scale.

I always thought it was logarithmic. Makes sense within the context of the show.

nappa's power level is around 4,000 to 5,000. it's real easy to see how he got pwned by goku once you know their power levels.

I think the power level system Toryama used in DBZ was more of a way of calculating overall fighting ability rather than anything specific like measuring ki energy levels.

Its probably more of an overview of combined variables that's then calculated and shown on the scouter. Sort of like the calcs done on Ryu at the start of the Street Fighter 2 Anime Movie. All sorts of things where calculated to form Ryu's fighting potential reading there.

Actually it is just a way of indicating who beats who.

That is it. It is nothing that complicated. It was inconsistent and unreliable.

Hence why it was discarded after Freeza Saga.

I know that, just stating what would work for its intended purpose in that universe, but for us, the audience, then yes I agree completely.

Strong enought to beat almost all shonen animes except Saint Seiya Sailor Moon Jojo Bizarre Adventure etc

saint seiya and salor moon?? i dotn watch them salor moon for a reason 😛 what are sum power feats from those shows ?

I believe he was talking about the Sailor Moon manga, which I haven't read but I've heard that she beat a character who had control over the entire universe or something

Saint Seiya is just cheap, everyone and their grandmother is a billion times the speed of light and can blow up planets casually and shrug off reality warping and galaxy destroying attacks

Whereas JJBA is simply broken, explaining all of their crazy powers would take way too long.

Of course there are tons of other anime/manga characters that could destroy the DBZ universe easily but most of them are kind of obscure

ohh is there powers ever expalined? i hate when some weak ass character gets that kind of power because they find sum sortta weapon or something, thats one of the reaons i love DBZ they train for their power and fight...you have intuiged me to saint seiya though..

This is a question that never going to have a clear answer

Goku lifting Bulma car was at minimum 500 kilos/ at maximum 2 tons strenght, base on this the 8 tons training in his normal form is kind of a big plop hole considering that Goku never stop increasing his strenght at least at minimum in double scale each saga, the feat i mentioned is the second or third page of the manga

The power levels machine was never specify, when Piccolo and Goku get rid of their armor clothes they jump 100 in the machine scale, but also when Goku charge the machine triple from 430 to aprox 1200, so the machine read strenght and energy

Base on this, the energy can help to increase strenght, speed, durability.

Toriyama himself explain in his manga that Saiyans can not be calculated in numbers.

I think the top tiers can reach to 1000 tons minimum, but the lack of feats dont help.

Originally posted by BradBalboa
ohh is there powers ever expalined? i hate when some weak ass character gets that kind of power because they find sum sortta weapon or something, thats one of the reaons i love DBZ they train for their power and fight...you have intuiged me to saint seiya though..

Yeah because Vegeta trained so hard to go SSJ4 and Gohan trained so hard to realize his full potential.

I think that the power level of the saiyans is based more on their overall strength as a warrior than on their physical strength. However, it would be safe to assume that their physical strength would increase along with their power level. The only reason I would believe Vegeta to be on par with Goku is because of his sheer tenacity and his warrior's mentality.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Yeah because Vegeta trained so hard to go SSJ4 and Gohan trained so hard to realize his full potential.

Vegeta needed help to go SSJ4.

hm lest see Vegeta trainging in 450X Earths Gravity and nearly killing himself, gohan traing with Piccolo ...

Originally posted by Astanax
Vegeta needed help to go SSJ4.

That was sarcasm.

Originally posted by BradBalboa
hm lest see Vegeta trainging in 450X Earths Gravity and nearly killing himself, gohan traing with Piccolo ...

Neither of those training sessions made him go SSJ4 nor did it make Gohan reach his full potential.

Sometimes they train sometimes they don't. Vegeta has taken the cheap way out three times to get stronger.

I mean to me sometimes it seems like their powers are based on their spirit and emotion...but thats not a really good statment.