How Strong ar the Z fighters???

saiyans have really high power levels especially once they transform here is the saiyan form multiplier

Oozaru (Great Ape) x10 of base level
SSJ (Super Saiyan): x50 of base level
ASSJ Ascended Super Saiyan) : x2 of SSJ Level
USSJ (Ultra Super Saiyan): x1.75 of ASSJ Level
MSSJ (Mastered Super Saiyan/Full Power Super Saiyan): x100 of base level
SSJ2 (Super Saiyan 2) x10 of normal SSJ and x 5 of MSSJ
SSJ3 (Super Saiayn 3) x5 of SSJ2
LSSJ (Legendary Super Saiyan) Power keeps on rising longer the battle drags on
SSJ4 (Super Saiyan 4) x?? not sure about this one
this shows that a saiyan has no limit in power becaue if one only increases there power level by 10 a day there power level would have increased by 25000 ssj3

(SSJ) 10 x 50 = 500
(SSJ2) 500 x 10 = 5000
(SSJ3) 5000 x 5 = 25000

so a saiyan has exceptional power

Saiyans are awesome!!! haha 😄

Originally posted by BradBalboa
Saiyans are awesome!!! haha 😄

I know arent they

haha i love the saiyan genetics, how hey totally eveolved as a warrior race, their entire makeup is built on fighting. shit how saiyans in the upcomming live action moive/sequals wont have tails =/

Originally posted by BradBalboa
haha i love the saiyan genetics, how hey totally eveolved as a warrior race, their entire makeup is built on fighting. shit how saiyans in the upcomming live action moive/sequals wont have tails =/

i know but so far theres only goku whos a saiyan so we will just have to wait for the new movies and hope they give the saiyan tails

Originally posted by SSJ2Vegeta
i know but so far theres only goku whos a saiyan so we will just have to wait for the new movies and hope they give the saiyan tails

Yeah we have a better chance hoping this movie will actually be good.

SSJ4 isn't even canon, so complaining about it is kind of pointless.

What was really annoying is that Goku and Vegeta have to work so hard to reach SSJ but then Goten and Chibi Trunks just do it easily - that really pissed me off.

Originally posted by SSJ2Vegeta
[B]saiyans have really high power levels especially once they transform here is the saiyan form multiplier

Oozaru (Great Ape) x10 of base level

Yeah

SSJ (Super Saiyan): x50 of base level

Only based on the Daizenshuu which gave Goku's SSJ1 power level as being 50x his base PL, but that's unreliable since SSJ1 powers differ, for example base Vegeta was weaker than base Goku but SSJ1 Vegeta was above SSJ1 Goku (stated by Picollo), also SSJ1 Goku when he first transformed was still weaker than 100% Frieza but later after he learned to control it he was stronger than SSJ1 Trunks who beat Cyborg Frieza easily, so just saying that SSJ1 gives a 50x multiplier is not really accurate in all situations.

ASSJ Ascended Super Saiyan) : x2 of SSJ Level

Never stated, speculation

USSJ (Ultra Super Saiyan): x1.75 of ASSJ Level

Never stated, speculation

MSSJ (Mastered Super Saiyan/Full Power Super Saiyan): x100 of base level

I've never even heard of this form, and the numbers are clearly not canon
SSJ2

(Super Saiyan 2) x10 of normal SSJ and x 5 of MSSJ

That's not even consistent with your own post, because is MSSJ is 100x normal SSJ, then 5x MSSJ would be 500x normal SSJ, not 10. You are clearly making these numbers up.

SSJ3 (Super Saiayn 3) x5 of SSJ2

Never stated, speculation

LSSJ (Legendary Super Saiyan) Power keeps on rising longer the battle drags on

Non - canon, but I suppose it makes sense

SSJ4 (Super Saiyan 4) x?? not sure about this one

And you are sure about the others? I'd like to see where you got these sources that make you so sure of these numbers

this shows that a saiyan has no limit in power becaue if one only increases there power level by 10 a day there power level would have increased by 25000 ssj3

Again, where are these numbers coming from?

ohh is there powers ever expalined? i hate when some weak ass character gets that kind of power because they find sum sortta weapon or something, thats one of the reaons i love DBZ they train for their power and fight...you have intuiged me to saint seiya though..

Well it would take far too long to explain all of the different powers in tons of different series like that, but I will mention that the Saint Seiya guys train at least as hard as the DBZ cast, if not harder.

However most of Saint Seiya hasn't been translated in English so if you speak Spanish or other European languages you can find it more easily.

i got these off a power level estimater on youtube not super accurate but i think its a good estimate

SSJ2 (Super Saiyan 2) x10 of normal SSJ and x 5 of MSSJ

That's not even consistent with your own post, because is MSSJ is 100x normal SSJ, then 5x MSSJ would be 500x normal SSJ, not 10. You are clearly making these numbers up.

no im saying SSJ2 is multiplied x 5 if its MSSJ
SSJ2 x 10 SSJ

I've never even heard of this form, and the numbers are clearly not canon
SSJ2

Its not SSJ2 form is the original form mastered and it is canon
The transformation first appears in the 193rd chapter of the Dragon Ball manga, "The Balance of Power" when Goku witnesses and experiences the problems with Ascended and Ultra Super Saiyan stages. Goku decides not to train again to defeat Cell, but rather to spend the time having a common life in Super Saiyan state to control the transformation without becoming weaker, as complete mastery of the original Super Saiyan form is the best way to advance his abilities, and ultimately achieve greater power. As a result, he focuses on training his body to suppress the negative effects of the Super Saiyan form, such as ki consumption and personality alterations

And you put this is never stated all the way through really can you make your arguments a bit better and like i said before i think its a good estimate.

Originally posted by SSJ2Vegeta
i got these off a power level estimater on youtube not super accurate but i think its a good estimate

In other words, someone just made them up

The last canon power levels were in the Daizenshuu giving 100% Frieza 120 million and SSJ1 Goku at the end of the fight 150 million

(actually there was one PL given after that, but it was 5 for Trunks when he was suppressing his power, so it's not really very relevant)

no im saying SSJ2 is multiplied x 5 if its MSSJ
SSJ2 x 10 SSJ

First of all I'm not sure I buy the existence of a "MSSJ" anyway, isn't that just the ability to maintain SSJ for a long time, as in several days on end? I haven't heard of any indication that it was actually a separate state.

Second of all, unless there is some kind of official source for these numbers, they're really nothing more than speculation.

Its not SSJ2 form is the original form mastered and it is canon
The transformation first appears in the 193rd chapter of the Dragon Ball manga, "The Balance of Power" when Goku witnesses and experiences the problems with Ascended and Ultra Super Saiyan stages. Goku decides not to train again to defeat Cell, but rather to spend the time having a common life in Super Saiyan state to control the transformation without becoming weaker, as complete mastery of the original Super Saiyan form is the best way to advance his abilities, and ultimately achieve greater power. As a result, he focuses on training his body to suppress the negative effects of the Super Saiyan form, such as ki consumption and personality alterations

Yes, I know that, but I'm simply questioning whether that actually counts as a separate SSJ state.

And you put this is never stated all the way through really can you make your arguments a bit better and like i said before i think its a good estimate.

Why do I need to "make my arguments better" if your arguments are nothing but numbers created seemingly at random?

Remember the old adage: "A claim presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"

Does anybody here actually have the 7th DBZ Daizenshuu that is suppose to be the only official Toriyama one and have the canon power levels all the way through??

I've seen scans of it, but never actually read it

Originally posted by Kento
Does anybody here actually have the 7th DBZ Daizenshuu that is suppose to be the only official Toriyama one and have the canon power levels all the way through??

JAPANESE

FRENCH TRANSL.

only untilFreeza saga

they r incredibly strong even in base form(buu saga) they could easily fight in x500 gravity and goku trained on king kai's planet with 10 tons on with about 10x gravity so they r incredibly strong and if u add ssj1 or up its unbelievable what they can do