Lich King Vs. Sephiroth, Kratos, Samus, Dante, Xemnas

Some of Lich King's abilities has finally crawled out of that little cave in which they have been hiding. Out of pure boredom, he has decided to conquer the world of respective advesaries and has therefore summoned them all to the Icecrown Citadel in which the battle will take place. With the proper ways of convincing some bronze dragonflights, the citadel is in a artificial timezone, making time abilities useless (No time travel, no time slow, no precognition).

Lich King decided not to bother going for them one by one, and will instead fight them all at once. They will however start scattered in the citadel and not near eachother. They will also not know what they are up against, other than knowing what their enemy looks like and that he had the power to get them there. Lich King will be waiting for them to come to him, rather than go out and hunt them. Remember to include personality and so on. Each opponent is aware of the presence of the others and that they fight on the same side. Are the characters confident enough to go for the king on his/her own, or will he/she try find the others first and stick as group? Lich King will not at any point leave his throne room.

This fight is limited to the Icecrown Citadel, with indestructable walls and magical barriers. No BFR, teleporting or going intangible away from the citadel. Only way out is by killing the Lich King to break the barrier. If fail, the five will serve the king for all eternity.

Kratos serves noone 😉

Afraid Lich King does not leave him many options 😛 Either eternal servitude, or eternal torment 🪩

Unless he did something impressive recently, Kratos, Xemnas, and probably Dante solo.

He has done quite a lot lately. I added a few of the many things in his respect thread, but there is so much more that has been introduced in WotLK. He has the ability to close the opponent into a sphere of undeath, in which the target lives and dies at the same time, only to have the latter applied permanently only if the king so desires. The sphere disables all body functions. He did this from a far distance.

The dragon Aspects has admitted themselves not prepared to take him on. This could however be for numerous reasons: That they have lost Malygos. That Ysera has not risen from the sleep. That Alexstrasza and Nozdormu are against mortal combat at all cost and all other flights listen to Alexstrasza in particular (Although was persuaded by Highlord Bolvar to attend at the charge of Wrathgate. They arrived however too late and the charge was lost. What will never be known is if the breach would have been successful, had the red flight been present at the charge).

One of his many abilities that would help in this battle is his smite of souls, with which he attacks the soul of everyone in his presence with a mere gesture and for as often as he desire. This also drain energy from the one smited to him, allowing him to recover any wounds and any lost energy spent on using the smite. This ability also knocks opponents back.

Along side that, he has frequently been using a blue blast in various encounters that has so far killed anything it touches upon impact. More than that, he has shown ability to create shields similar to the ones of paladins. He also has shown capability to absorb the soul of a target with a simple touch by the tip of his blade.

I have not yet seen all of him, and we have yet to actually battle him, but from what seen so far of him, none listed can take him on on their own.

I doubt these guys will beat the LK if with a gesture he can smite their souls, how long did the move that puts the target in a sphere of undeath take?

Dante speedblitzes a featless Lich King and cuts his head off, for one.

Originally posted by Jugglenaut
Dante speedblitzes a featless Lich King and cuts his head off, for one.

Good thing this Lich King aint featless.. He has had a lot of feats since over a month back..

Originally posted by Burning thought
I doubt these guys will beat the LK if with a gesture he can smite their souls, how long did the move that puts the target in a sphere of undeath take?

The sphere move was immediate upon encounter, so I'd say it takes a glance from the moment you approach him. For the soul smite, he had to merely clench his fist. The soul smite move was while he was still a death knight and not yet fused with the Lich King.

And YES, to anyone who is going to question the matter, Arthas as Lich King has all his Death Knights skills and more when he became the king. This was made clear in one of the Icecrown Glacier questchains, where a spirit teaches you what exactly you are up against when you enter a war against the Lich King (A quest chain I have yet to complete, so more feats and data might come)

Originally posted by Nozdormu
He has done quite a lot lately. I added a few of the many things in his respect thread, but there is so much more that has been introduced in WotLK. He has the ability to close the opponent into a sphere of undeath, in which the target lives and dies at the same time, only to have the latter applied permanently only if the king so desires. The sphere disables all body functions. He did this from a far distance.

The dragon Aspects has admitted themselves not prepared to take him on. This could however be for numerous reasons: That they have lost Malygos. That Ysera has not risen from the sleep. That Alexstrasza and Nozdormu are against mortal combat at all cost and all other flights listen to Alexstrasza in particular (Although was persuaded by Highlord Bolvar to attend at the charge of Wrathgate. They arrived however too late and the charge was lost. What will never be known is if the breach would have been successful, had the red flight been present at the charge).

One of his many abilities that would help in this battle is his smite of souls, with which he attacks the soul of everyone in his presence with a mere gesture and for as often as he desire. This also drain energy from the one smited to him, allowing him to recover any wounds and any lost energy spent on using the smite. This ability also knocks opponents back.

Along side that, he has frequently been using a blue blast in various encounters that has so far killed anything it touches upon impact. More than that, he has shown ability to create shields similar to the ones of paladins. He also has shown capability to absorb the soul of a target with a simple touch by the tip of his blade.

I have not yet seen all of him, and we have yet to actually battle him, but from what seen so far of him, none listed can take him on on their own.

2. So not only is that not a feat, it is ambiguous. Lovely.

3. As far as Dante goes, I am pretty sure he has shown soul resistance. As far as Kratos goes, Gods have immortal souls, that cannot be destroyed even by the likes of Hades, hence why the Titans still "live"(their souls anyway) in Tartarus. Knocks an opponent back? What "opponent"? Anyone with the raw physical endurance of Kratos or Xemnas?

4. And who exactly has it killed? Anyone with the durability of Xemnas or Kratos, or the speed of Dante and Xemnas? And Kratos has this nifty thing called the Golden Fleece which deflects any attack. Shields? How durable? Ever been hit by someone of Kratos or Xemnas' power?

Out of curiosity, you seem to know Kratos' powers fairly well, can you tell me of Xemnas'? Who with his power can erase worlds?

Kratos has never shown any incredible physical resistance......when has his body shown this? ive not played GOW games for a while but I dont remember that, thats for sure....also you did not really debate for Kratos against this ability of the LK, him being durable has little if any reason for him to survive this ability of the LK.

3. The only resistance he has ever shown is from a tiny orb which in itself is featless anyway so its soul draining strength is unkown but also gave Dante great power as well. Kratos on the other hand is no longer a God, infact hes a God very brieftly, then reckoning on the fact that your logic is foolish to say the least since all Souls are considered immortal..

Their durability means little, its their magic resistance that is at question here. And it does not deflect any attack, that would be a no limits fallacy, its only shown deflecting Zues' little thunderbolts and other small projectiles which are themselves featless. Its you who should be asking yourself if Kratos has ever deflected or if his fleece has survived an impact from something as strong as LK bolts.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Kratos has never shown any incredible physical resistance......when has his body shown this? ive not played GOW games for a while but I dont remember that, thats for sure....also you did not really debate for Kratos against this ability of the LK, him being durable has little if any reason for him to survive this ability of the LK.

3. The only resistance he has ever shown is from a tiny orb which in itself is featless anyway so its soul draining strength is unkown but also gave Dante great power as well. Kratos on the other hand is no longer a God, infact hes a God very brieftly, then reckoning on the fact that your logic is foolish to say the least since all Souls are considered immortal..

Their durability means little, its their magic resistance that is at question here. And it does not deflect any attack, that would be a no limits fallacy, its only shown deflecting Zues' little thunderbolts and other small projectiles which are themselves featless. Its you who should be asking yourself if Kratos has ever deflected or if his fleece has survived an impact from something as strong as LK bolts.

3. Well I do not know much about Dante honestly, in comparison to Kratos and Xemnas anyway. Kratos has the powers of the Sisters of Fate now, Gods. Whoa. He was already a Demi-God, and now has the Blade of Olympus, which has his former God power, the power Zeus originally instilled in it, and maybe Athena's power. So now Kratos has the power of 4.5-6.5 Gods. Wowz. Not to mention his Godly artifacts like the Spear of Destiny(IT PWNED JESUS LOLZ!), Golden Fleece, Gorgon Head, and all his spells, which come directly from Titans now. And no, Hades cannot destroy the souls of the Titans, whereas Tartarus destroys the souls of humans. And when God of War 3 comes out, we will see even more, Kratos will prolly fight Hades.

Oh God, not this gay argument. "IT'S MAJIK SO IT IS SPECIAL!" Bullshit, why assume "magic" will do anything different than what a non-magic thing will? Zeus' little thunderbolts? Oh dear BT, were you not the one who went on an on about how Kain's "little thunderbolts" could split the Earth in two if he desired it? He blocked a constant STREAM of lightning. Along with other shit, hell, I think he can do so to the Blade of Olympus too. And how strong are LK bolts? Humor me.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
For one thing all God's have this...And Kratos was sent flying miles, through several feet of stone, crashing into a stone floor, and was fine enough to have a threesome afterwards.

3. Well I do not know much about Dante honestly, in comparison to Kratos and Xemnas anyway. Kratos has the powers of the Sisters of Fate now, Gods. Whoa. He was already a Demi-God, and now has the Blade of Olympus, which has his former God power, the power Zeus originally instilled in it, and maybe Athena's power. So now Kratos has the power of 4.5-6.5 Gods. Wowz. Not to mention his Godly artifacts like the Spear of Destiny(IT PWNED JESUS LOLZ!), Golden Fleece, Gorgon Head, and all his spells, which come directly from Titans now. And no, Hades cannot destroy the souls of the Titans, whereas Tartarus destroys the souls of humans. And when God of War 3 comes out, we will see even more, Kratos will prolly fight Hades.

Oh God, not this gay argument. "IT'S MAJIK SO IT IS SPECIAL!" Bullshit, why assume "magic" will do anything different than what a non-magic thing will? Zeus' little thunderbolts? Oh dear BT, were you not the one who went on an on about how Kain's "little thunderbolts" could split the Earth in two if he desired it? He blocked a constant STREAM of lightning. Along with other shit, hell, I think he can do so to the Blade of Olympus too. And how strong are LK bolts? Humor me.

Maybe if you take into account this was the Kratos before the sword drained his power at a diffrent time to the current Kratos.

3. Kratos gained the ability to control his own fate through the loom chamber...thats all...then youve made a little slip up, nothing claimed that the sisters of fate were goddesses..show me where it says that Kratos gains the power Zeus instilled? Kratos has yet to show he can use it in the same way Zeus does so please dont assume, also I dont remember it saying Kratos gained his godhood back through the blade...

Can Hades destroy souls at all? I cant remember that part...I know that souls were not usually if ever destroyed in true greek mythology.

Because it is compeltly diffrent, Physical is not the same as magical, get it through your head, ime surprised you even think their the same thing...thats because Kains lighting power is infinty empowered by his connection to the energy pillar, although he would not likely use lightning to cut the earth in half, probably just a pure beam of energy but Kain aside...stop trying to go off-topic.

Lich King bolts if you read Noz posts were one hit kills....

Originally posted by Burning thought
Maybe if you take into account this was the Kratos before the sword drained his power at a diffrent time to the current Kratos.

3. Kratos gained the ability to control his own fate through the loom chamber...thats all...then youve made a little slip up, nothing claimed that the sisters of fate were goddesses..show me where it says that Kratos gains the power Zeus instilled? Kratos has yet to show he can use it in the same way Zeus does so please dont assume, also I dont remember it saying Kratos gained his godhood back through the blade...

Can Hades destroy souls at all? I cant remember that part...I know that souls were not usually if ever destroyed in true greek mythology.

Because it is compeltly diffrent, Physical is not the same as magical, get it through your head, ime surprised you even think their the same thing...thats because Kains lighting power is infinty empowered by his connection to the energy pillar, although he would not likely use lightning to cut the earth in half, probably just a pure beam of energy but Kain aside...stop trying to go off-topic.

Lich King bolts if you read Noz posts were one hit kills....

3. He gained all their powers, and was shown to use them WITHOUT the chamber. Nothing claimed the Sisters were Goddesses? Um, dude, in Greek Mythology they were Godesses, why would it be any different in GOW? 😐 And I don't think Poseidon was ever explicitly stated to be a God in the game, should we assume he is not? Hell, the Gods and Titans are all the Sister's b!tches, actually grovelling to them and begging them to change time for them. Why wouldn't Kratos? Can you show any sort of evidence at all that the Blade of Olympus has grown weaker than it was when Zeus wielded? No, you cannot, it is stronger. Kratos not might be able to wield its power with the same control, but he can fire the same desctructive power in blasts. Kratos' God powers were in the Blade which Kratos now wields, dur.

...Tartarus destroys the souls sent to it actually...Which is a part of Hades...

Prove this please. Prove being made of magic will always be different than a fireball from something else. You can't, it is bullshit baseless logic based on nothing. And Zeus' lightning can be fired in a continuous stream, and since Gods have limitless stamina, can do it forever. Whoa. Same logic you applied. Not Kain can destroy a planet with an energy blast of uba powa? I'm not going off topic, I am using your own double standards to support my case and discredit yours.

On who? Random WC weakling #2? Lol.

Originally posted by Burning thought

Lich King bolts if you read Noz posts were one hit kills....

Originally posted by Jugglenaut
Yet they couldn't hurt Tirion right?

Incorrect.. It did hurt Tirion to fatal degree.. Darion saved him by launching the Ashbringer as an intervention, draining himself massively but ultimately saving Tirion from what would have been a certain death.. And not to forget is that Tirion, Darion and Lich King all three agreed that Tirion during that encounter had both homefield advantage since the battle took place at litterally at holy ground and a scenario of surprise for the king (Darion's convertion).. When the two clashed in Northrend, the mere presence (I mean that litterally as well) of Lich King brought Tirion to close death.. Had he not gone for Arthas heart, Lich King would have killed him right there.. The king at that point became weakened to enough a degree that he was close to death, under which scenario Darion rode in with his champions of the Ebon Blade, slaughtered his way up to Darion to save the helpless crusader.. He then said that even at such an extremely weakened state, not even now could Lich King be defeated, so while Lich King laid weak on the ground, Darion, Tirion, the Argent Crusade and Ebon Blade FLED.. FLED while Lich King was severely weakened, even worse so than during Wrathgate.. They admitted chanceless, and it takes a lot from Darion and Tirion to do that, both having a massive magnitude of pride..

Have you done the complete questlines or are you just shooting ducks with blindfold? If you did any of the questchains, did you even pay attention? Your post claim the contruary..

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
He's a God now.

3. He gained all their powers, and was shown to use them WITHOUT the chamber. Nothing claimed the Sisters were Goddesses? Um, dude, in Greek Mythology they were Godesses, why would it be any different in GOW? 😐 And I don't think Poseidon was ever explicitly stated to be a God in the game, should we assume he is not? Hell, the Gods and Titans are all the Sister's b!tches, actually grovelling to them and begging them to change time for them. Why wouldn't Kratos? Can you show any sort of evidence at all that the Blade of Olympus has grown weaker than it was when Zeus wielded? No, you cannot, it is stronger. Kratos not might be able to wield its power with the same control, but he can fire the same desctructive power in blasts. Kratos' God powers were in the Blade which Kratos now wields, dur.

...Tartarus destroys the souls sent to it actually...Which is a part of Hades...

Prove this please. Prove being made of magic will always be different than a fireball from something else. You can't, it is bullshit baseless logic based on nothing. And Zeus' lightning can be fired in a continuous stream, and since Gods have limitless stamina, can do it forever. Whoa. Same logic you applied. Not Kain can destroy a planet with an energy blast of uba powa? I'm not going off topic, I am using your own double standards to support my case and discredit yours.

On who? Random WC weakling #2? Lol.

Can you show me the info that points to that please

3. nothing states he gained "their" powers so dont lie, nothing states he used the power without the loom room either. Posiedon is brother of Zeus, and yes it was stated in the Titan battle that it was only Gods vs Titans ,no mortals, but Posiedon being a God is a given, the sisters of Fate on the other hand are not as well known.

Why wouldnt Kratos what? your the one assuming here and its not my job to attempt to disprove your negatives, you need to prove he can or he cannot...simple 😄 I never said it has grown weaker, I said Kratos has never used it at its full potential, has never wiped out an army etc etc, if a mortal grabbed it up does it mean he will know how to use its full power? no...neither would Kratos. He can fire beams from the blade in straight lines ,thats all hes shown which were not half as powerful as when Zeus used it. Nothing in the story points to whoever wields the sword gains all the power within it...never was that said, if it was and ive forgotten show me please otherwise your now assuming he has all the power of Zeus as well.

No it doesnt...Tartarus was simply an area of hades which was covered by thick metal gates and was guarded by the Hekkagagantes or however you spell it, 100 armed giants. Tartarus is where the titans were stored but it does not say anywhere that it destroys their souls.

Because magic is not physical, fire is fool, its common sense, its like saying an electrical shock does exacltey the same to the body as a bullet would..although both are to a degree physical forces thus both are diffrent to magic which is not physical. Your body not breaking because it was punched by a weight of impact is not the same an ethereal energy sapping your life away, that would require magic resistance. Smae with soul attacks, you cant say "character A survived a rock falling on him so he is immune to soul attacks!!"

describe to me how Zeus havng limitless stamina attributes to his powers? that is not a correlation that Zeus coud fire lightning forever at all.....hell when kratos uses powers he uses magic energy, not stamina...your failing by trying, your no good at using double standards it seems because your standard is diffrent, stamina is not the same as magic unless your saying all humans have a certain amount of magic in them just because they have stamina lol?

I dont know exactley who but it was a one hit kill, none of the blasts from Zeus used or the sisters or any of them have shown to kill in one shot.

Originally posted by Jugglenaut
Yet they couldn't hurt Tirion right?

To freshen up your memories:

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Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
can you tell me of Xemnas'? Who with his power can erase worlds?

Can Xemnas really erase worlds with his own power? From what I heard, he needs the help of the Heartless to do that.

He cant.

Most of his real "feats", were when he was empowered with the power of the heartless hearts and Kingdom Hearts.

There's no evidence he can, but I don't see it ridiculous to think he can when he:

1. Created one of his own.

2. Talks about erasing the realm of light (another term for the real world of KH)

List of things he can do

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
Xemnas abilities: (I'll be posting the vids in which the abilities are shown)

1. Energy manipulation (can turn his energy into energy sabers, projectiles, energy fields, electricity waves and shields). (Last fight)

2. Can cover himself in darkness and become intangible. (First fight)

3. Create a doppleganger. (Last fight)

4. Superspeed.

5. Flight.

6. Drag people to realms he can create. (First fight).

7. Telekinetically control everything in the final realm he created (commanding all the organization weapons and tossing buildings at Sora and Rikku with the use of his mind). (Second to last fight)

8. Create a black hole. (Second to last fight)

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Last FightYouTube video