Lich King Vs. Sephiroth, Kratos, Samus, Dante, Xemnas

Originally posted by Nozdormu
- You mean the featless king that has used over 25 different moves so far? Get some facts before jumping your not very fancy gun..

- So he did not use his shield.. Big f* deal.. You do not see Dante speedblitz every battle in the game, do you?

I'm praying to the timeless that you are NOT talking about Putress..

25 different moves that wouldn't be pulled off in time or casually dodged by Dante/Xemnas. Actually, even Kratos has reacted to lightning before.

Actually, Dante does speed blitz just by gameplay alone. Almost all of his styles rely on speed, and the man can casually run on walls.

Still no answer to Royal Guard, which can block anything that Dante can react to, even lightning bolts and distortions in space/time. And still no answer to Dante's general speed.

So, where are the Ashbringer feats you were talking about a couple of posts ago?

Sephiroth level of durability is unknown, so you can't really gauge him above him, when he was only killed by Omnislash which has no level of physical damage

Originally posted by Terryc250
Sephiroth level of durability is unknown, so you can't really gauge him above him, when he was only killed by Omnislash which has no level of physical damage

Since when has omnislash been a non physical move? all Cloud does is use all the small parts of his sword at great speeds....

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
B-but it's MAJIK! IT'S CLEARLY DIFFERENT! dur

Look, a monkey would have better understanding of what I said earlier than you do....infact a monkey would probably debate this better than you as well.

And jugglenaut your fanboyism for the teams characters is blatant, the lord of undeath would be shot dead by a pistol? please...ebony and ivory are pathetic.

Originally posted by Burning thought

And jugglenaut your fanboyism for the teams characters is blatant, the lord of undeath would be shot dead by a pistol? please...ebony and ivory are pathetic.

Featless swords that don't even touch Ner'zhul to make him run away surely hurt more than a pair of guns.

Next, you'll be telling me he has resistance feats for guns, am I right? 😱

maybe Lich King can do an attack equel to that which killed Archi only ofc some sort of dark/frost power of undeath and not nature spirits

Hes undead, you can shoot him as much as you like, hes not going to bleed to death and die lol....thats if you get through his shields and armour

And Ashbringer the most powerful holy (anti undead) weapon on holy ground far outweighs the power of any gun especially aginst the Lich king...ofc your likely mentally handicapped so you wouldnt understand this.

also its obvious youve not played DMC, try and defeat almost any of the bosses with just ebony and ivory, I guarantee it takes far longer than if you use almost any of the melee weapons....so even in your own universe swords>the guns......

Originally posted by Jugglenaut

Sure anyone would believe your opinion on the LK when you claim Nerzhul could hurt Archimonde.

people would not even consider your opinion since you have no idea on either of the games your "debating" (if you can call it that, more like regurgitated BS) so far in this thread.

Originally posted by Jugglenaut
25 different moves that haven't done anything significant to anyone significant, right? Maybe if he could do something like taking on the Old Gods. Oh wait.

25 different moves that wouldn't be pulled off in time or casually dodged by Dante/Xemnas. Actually, even Kratos has reacted to lightning before.

Actually, Dante does speed blitz just by gameplay alone. Almost all of his styles rely on speed, and the man can casually run on walls.

Still no answer to Royal Guard, which can block anything that Dante can react to, even lightning bolts and distortions in space/time. And still no answer to Dante's general speed.

So, where are the Ashbringer feats you were talking about a couple of posts ago?

You really dont get it, do you.. I havent stated a winner in this battle at any point.. You are jumping to conclusion after conclusion after conclusion.. You flaunt your supposed knowledge in warcraft, then matches it up with whatever character you see victorious.. Had you shown the slight knowledge in the Lich King, or Warcraft at all, I would have considered taking your posts seriously, but what I am seeing is someone desperately trying to shame the Lich King in the shadow of Dante.. Someone who lack knowledge completely in the matter..

Your trunk of junk called "debating" is not worth my time.. I'll be observing this thread in wait for someone worth my time, such as DJ, Burning or whoever.. Whilst some of their debating ways are not my most favored ones, I do prefere them over you since they at least has shown knowledge in whatever debates they have entered..

You say the Ashbringer is featless.. You say the Lich King is featless.. I say you are clueless.. Ofc, you dont have to listen to me.. Who knows, I might be wrong.. But for the same reason that you dont have to listen to me due to you probably considering me, I do not have to listen to you.. I consider you wrong.. Matter of opinion, end of debate, take care, enjoy your stay..

Originally posted by Burning thought
Hes undead, you can shoot him as much as you like, hes not going to bleed to death and die lol....thats if you get through his shields and armour

And Ashbringer the most powerful holy (anti undead) weapon on holy ground far outweighs the power of any gun especially aginst the Lich king...ofc your likely mentally handicapped so you wouldnt understand this.

also its obvious youve not played DMC, try and defeat almost any of the bosses with just ebony and ivory, I guarantee it takes far longer than if you use almost any of the melee weapons....so even in your own universe swords>the guns......

people would not even consider your opinion since you have no idea on either of the games your "debating" (if you can call it that, more like regurgitated BS) so far in this thread.

Featless Ashbringer. Keep dodging the point. What has it done that makes it so 'powerful', other than scaring an equally featless Lich King away? Nothing.

Man, gameplay that balances the guns must really count. If so, Dante must have unlimited continues and lives alongside Samus and Kratos.

And you must suck at DMC if you consider the guns utterly worthless.

People wouldn't consider the opinion of a Kain fanboy if he claims that Jedah/Dmitri would get stomped by him.

Originally posted by Jugglenaut
Oh wait, we were going by your logic.

Featless swords that don't even touch Ner'zhul to make him run away surely hurt more than a pair of guns.

Next, you'll be telling me he has resistance feats for guns, am I right? 😱

Sure anyone would believe your opinion on the LK when you claim Nerzhul could hurt Archimonde.

Once again you prove your lack of knowledge and ignorance:

YouTube video

At 05:03 you HEAR and SEE Lich King being struck by the Ashbringer. You even see the holy touch of the impact. You also see Arthas fly backwards. Or was the sword so powerful that the mere wind from the swipe impacted Arthas armor and sent him flying? Stop debating this matter before you make more and more a fool of yourself. A blind man, or a deaf one would both be able to tell that the sword struck Arthas in that encounter. Just drop this and get on your merry way.

Originally posted by Nozdormu
Once again you prove your lack of knowledge and ignorance:

YouTube video

At 05:03 you HEAR [b]and SEE Lich King being struck by the Ashbringer. You even see the holy touch of the impact. You also see Arthas fly backwards. Or was the sword so powerful that the mere wind from the swipe impacted Arthas armor and sent him flying? Stop debating this matter before you make more and more a fool of yourself. A blind man, or a deaf one would both be able to tell that the sword struck Arthas in that encounter. Just drop this and get on your merry way. [/B]

And you're claiming that his shields are so powerful that Ashbringer wouldn't do shit to him in the long run. I'm sure holy has to do with his weakness when DK Arthas has wrecked armies of the Silver Hand sitting around on so called 'holy' ground.

Let me guess, he somehow gained a blatant weakness to light now?

Guess the Rebellion/Force Edge/BoO would cut him apart.

And you must suck at DMC if you consider the guns utterly worthless.

Of course, if we're referring to almost-unrepresented in gameplay but present in multiple cutscenes "Jackpot" trick...

I'm explaining the base of that trick in a few simple phrases easy to understand even for die-hard Warcraft fanboys.

The demons in DMCverse have practiced and honed the defence against pure demonic energy blasts. However, they looked down at the guns as at something worthless and a silly tool for silly humans (not without reason, as it's near impossible to hurt high level demon with guns- as Lady learned hard way).

However, Sparda family (first Sparda himself with Luce and Ombra, then his younger son with Ebony and Ivory) has developed means to transfer demonic energy into the guns, basically disguising the blast of demonic energy (sometimes really powerful one) as harmless (for high level demons) bullet.

I don't see why the same "Trojan bullet" trick won't work on Lich King. After all, he'll be erecting shields against (as he thinks) something only a little bit dangerous than the bullet from clunky firearms the dwarves in WoW are using... and would get into the same trap guys like Mundus or the avatar of Despair Embodied run into.

So...underestimating guns sucks there- cause that particular trait in demonic commuinty of DMCverse has somewhat helped the Sparda family to build up their status of invincible combatants.

I thought I'm taking the break from Video Games vs, but it's just too much of uneducated BS being said there recently to ignore the thread.

Originally posted by Jugglenaut
What shields and armor? Last time I checked, the armor didn't have feats that meant shit, even when Arthas the death knight was wearing it. Nobody's shown shield feats too. The RESPECT thread here has nothing.

Featless Ashbringer. Keep dodging the point. What has it done that makes it so 'powerful', other than scaring an equally featless Lich King away? Nothing.

Man, gameplay that balances the guns must really count. If so, Dante must have unlimited continues and lives alongside Samus and Kratos.

And you must suck at DMC if you consider the guns utterly worthless.

People wouldn't consider the opinion of a Kain fanboy if he claims that Jedah/Dmitri would get stomped by him.

Shields that he can call up obviously, and what armor? you really are blind and your heads as dense as a lump of wood. Death knight Arthas has never worn the armor, only Lich King arthas has, shows yet again your lack of knowledge of the games. also:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Plate_of_the_Damned

read that and the helm of the damned, it makes the LK nearly invulerable, puny swords and weapons such as Ebony and ivory will do nothing.

Lich King is not featless at all fool lol....

So your saying Ebony and ivory are good weapons to use against bosses, hell opponents in general? better than the swords? 😆 you must be the worst DMC player, what do you do? play on easy mode and flee while shooting ebony and ivory for ages agaisnt the opponents?

ofc they would, because ime correct fasci.....Jugglenaught, nobody on this forum would take anything that you say seriously, you dont know a thing about DMC or WoW, it shows.

BT, I guess the guy wasn't taking about gameplay (or did debate rule reverse happen there since I left that particular section of the board and we're now preferring non-canon gameplay over canon cutscenes?), but about cutscene stuff like Jackpot.

Guns won't certainly win you the fight gameplaywise, that's where you're right.

But I guess Lich King has been PWNed gameplaywise countless times depending on skills of the player.

Dante rarely uses his guns out of gameplay, the weapons when they are shown do very little, not to mention Jackpot is done by two people at once, in DMC 1 for instance Triss (or w/e the blonde ones name was) and Dante. When has he done it by himself?

Its also a slow attack, if Dante uses his guns in this battle, it will be folly.

You're idiot, darling.

The Despair Embodied (DMC2). There wasn't second person present in the fight. There's nothing that states Jackpot can be done with help only.

Stop trying to pass as DMC whiz, that's laughable at best. Not even knowing Trish name... I expected better from you.

It's not like it's Dante 1-to-1 with Lich King, and energy charge of the gun is the only "slow" part of attack.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Shields that he can call up obviously, and what armor? you really are blind [b]and your heads as dense as a lump of wood. Death knight Arthas has never worn the armor, only Lich King arthas has, shows yet again your lack of knowledge of the games. also:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Plate_of_the_Damned

read that and the helm of the damned, it makes the LK nearly invulerable, puny swords and weapons such as Ebony and ivory will do nothing.

Lich King is not featless at all fool lol....

So your saying Ebony and ivory are good weapons to use against bosses, hell opponents in general? better than the swords? 😆 you must be the worst DMC player, what do you do? play on easy mode and flee while shooting ebony and ivory for ages agaisnt the opponents?

ofc they would, because ime correct fasci.....Jugglenaught, nobody on this forum would take anything that you say seriously, you dont know a thing about DMC or WoW, it shows. [/B]

Oh sorry, I sure pay attention to every ****ing detail in WoW.
By the way, how do you explain how he magically put the armor on at the end of TFT without us noticing?
More like it IS like death knight armor.

Oh man, because someone says it's invulnerable must mean it's invulnerable.

I guess there's nothing to counter Dante Just Guarding everything the Lich King throws at him, since it makes him all 'INVULNERABLE and shit'.

You must really suck if the only thing you can think of is sword mashing and not chaining.

OFC they would, because you're an obvious Kain fanboy. Dur.

wtf is that? youre idiot? Jugglenaught isnt mine if thats what your saying.....I tool him yeah but I dont "use" him as a tool so hes not my idiot.

Ive not seen the information stating that Dante fired Jackpot at despair embodied, I dont remember the part where its stated he fired Jackpot.

unlike you I do not obsess over DMC every day "darling" so knowing a side characters name from a game I played years ago is irrelvent unless you can show how its relvent to this debate?

I know almost as much on DMC the "game" as you do, the diffrence is that I would only give that information, you throw in your opinions and sometimes outright lies in debates ive had with you in the past to overhype the guy.

Not that Jackpot is impressive, each time its used its not only slow, it takes like 3/4 seconds to fire but then its shooting the enemies when their greatly weakened.

Originally posted by Jugglenaut
Oh sorry, I sure pay attention to every ****ing detail in WoW.
By the way, how do you explain how he magically put the armor on at the end of TFT without us noticing?
More like it IS like death knight armor.

Oh man, because someone says it's invulnerable must mean it's invulnerable.

I guess there's nothing to counter Dante Just Guarding everything the Lich King throws at him, since it makes him all 'INVULNERABLE and shit'.

You must really suck if the only thing you can think of is sword mashing and not chaining.

OFC they would, because you're an obvious Kain fanboy. Dur.

Then dont "try" and talk, and its not just a detail, your basically saying that a completly diffrent character was wearing armor that was actually trapped in ice for a whole game.....thats pretty damn idiotic...

"nearly" invulerable, and its not "someone" its the story, if you dont like it dont try and debate against it.

Guarding? all it is is a block with his weapon at the time..its pathetic not to mention most of LK powers would not be based on projectiles Dante could watch coming and attempt to block.

who said anything about sword slashing, the fact is the guns, especially ebony and ivory do not do as much damage as sword combos. read my posts.

Also Nozmordu this is a mismatch, whats stopping LK instantly taking over the minds of Sephiroth, Samus, Dante and Xemnas? I dont know about those bolded in detail but I know Dante has not stopped a super psychic power breaching his mind.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
BT, I guess the guy wasn't taking about gameplay (or did debate rule reverse happen there since I left that particular section of the board and we're now preferring non-canon gameplay over canon cutscenes?), but about cutscene stuff like Jackpot.

Guns won't certainly win you the fight gameplaywise, that's where you're right.

But I guess Lich King has been PWNed gameplaywise countless times depending on skills of the player.

Lich King has never been fought by players.. He has been declared too powerful to be engaged in combat.. The three times ever he has suffered defeat was:

1. Tirion Fordring had just obtained the purified Ashbringer, the most powerful holy weapon on the planet, infused with a true embodiment of actual light. The primary weapon against the likes of Lich King (Scourge). This "victory" for the living took place at Light's Hope Chapel, the most holy ground on Azeroth. This strengthened and empowered the already powerful paladin Tirion who charged Lich King who was caught by surprise and decided to fall back, rather than fight an uncalculated battle..

2. Apothecary Putress, servant of the sharp Varimathras delivered a painful blow against the king directly.. With Varimathras help, Putress created a very potent poision that according to Varimathras was designed not only to take out the Alliance and the Horde, but the Scourge and their leader (Lich King).. Varimathras, although having designed the poison with specifications to actually kill the Lich King misscalculated the power of the dark prince and the attack failed.. Lich King survived and fled the scene (Weakend however, for while the poison did not kill him, it did injure him).. On mere mortals, this poison killed in matter of seconds by merely breathing the gases in, and it melted away your skin.. Lich King however was struck by a barrel and hit by the liquid form, and to no surprise walked away with a lowered head and a bad cough..

3. Tirion Fordring once again gives a try against the Lich King.. This time he goes towards the heart of the problem (Literally).. By attacking the (literally) heart of Arthas that was being transported (No longer in Arthas body), he hoped to either free Arthas from the King's grasp or kill the king in the same blow.. While this attack SEVERELY injured the Lich King, leaving him severely wounded by having his heart struck, having him crawl on the ground trying to regenerate from the unaccounted for attack, Darion Mograin rides up to aid the almost dead Tirion who was nearly killed in the same move as he tried taking the heart, Darion ordered an escape. He said that while Lich King was weaker than he had EVER been before, he was too strong to kill even now (Saying this while standing next to the Lich King who was on his knees, struggling to keep cuncious and barely living).. A few moments later, Darion, Tirion and all the powerful knights that had come with Darion (Probably 20-30) fled the scene and Lich King regenerated at impossible speed, rising from his knees and taking a portal out from the chamber in which you stand..

No player has ever gotten a chance to even swing against Lich King..

Originally posted by Nozdormu
Your failing attempts of making a decent estimation of this battles outcome amuses me..

Your comeback amuses me. Sephiroth, Kratos, and Dante solo. Xemnas probably could solo, and Samus, not sure about Samus.

Originally posted by Wil7
Your comeback amuses me. Sephiroth, Kratos, and Dante solo. Xemnas probably could solo, and Samus, not sure about Samus.

How?