Wolverine vs Sebastian Shaw

Started by Battlehammer17 pages

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Yeah no pain seeing as he continued to fight and taunt Wolverine the entire fight.

Just because he countinued to fight does not mean he did not get hurt. Magneto got hurt by wolverines claws and kept fighting, but ended up clasping after the battle.

what tuanting ahve to do with anything? wolverine taunts other even when he gets damage, as does punisher and so on. It just means there tough not that it does not hurt.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Really it looked like it damage him to me.

yes however, he would bleed out over time, and the more he got hit the more blood he looses. There no reason to assume he would not get dropped. Shaw can no heal the blood he missing and sooner or later his body would falter from not having enough blood to run his body.

also what happen if Logan stabbed him in the heart, brain, chop off his arm or leg or hand or head? what then would Shaw do?

No long term damage was done, he recognized the pain for like 5 seconds and continued to fight. the harder he stabs him the stronger Shaw gets. I don't think he would go for the kill seeing as he didn't try it in their last fight.

Shaw will start punching himself.

Originally posted by Mindset
Shaw will start punching himself.

Im not sure that works. I can't recall him doing it though I not opposed to the idea that it would work. Though do you really think it would be in character for himself to start punching himself.

also while he did that whats to stop wolverine from stabbing him in the face?

I was joking.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
No long term damage was done, he recognized the pain for like 5 seconds and continued to fight.

he was still bleeding.....all over the ground......the damage was lasting reguardless if he kept fighting or not.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
the harder he stabs him the stronger Shaw gets. I don't think he would go for the kill seeing as he didn't try it in their last fight.

why would wolverine not kill shaw? he dislikes shaw he has no reason not to kill him.

yes shaw would increase in strength thats true however not very much and it be getting far greater damage done to his body

Originally posted by Mindset
I was joking.

I thought so but you never know lol

Originally posted by Mindset
Shaw will start punching himself.
that wouldnt work because he would absorb the energy that he loses (yes, I realize you were joking)

Originally posted by Mindset
Shaw will start punching himself.

Pulling a Keanu Reeves hardball?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Im not sure that works. I can't recall him doing it though I not opposed to the idea that it would work. Though do you really think it would be in character for himself to start punching himself.

also while he did that whats to stop wolverine from stabbing him in the face?

Well he likes to punch walls.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
he was still bleeding.....all over the ground......the damage was lasting reguardless if he kept fighting or not.

why would wolverine not kill shaw? he dislikes shaw he has no reason not to kill him.

yes shaw would increase in strength thats true however not very much and it be getting far greater damage done to his body

He showed no signs of letting up seeing as he lost so much blood. Which states that he is able to go a long time without showing any signs of fatigue. He was able to ignore any pain if there was any in the first place and continue to own Wolverine.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He was able to ignore any pain if there was any in the first place and continue to own Wolverine.
Shaw didn't own anyone.

All he did was put Logan in a chokehold.

Guess what that accomplishes?

Yeah, nothing.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Pulling a Keanu Reeves hardball?

I was thinking more of an Edward Norton, Fight Club.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix

He showed no signs of letting up seeing as he lost so much blood.


yes, because the energy he had received was boosting him similar to what Magneto follower did for him after receiving the same attack. However it does not make the damage go away it only allows the person to ignore it for a time. However the longer he went on the weaker he would become over time and even worse if Logan keeps repeatedly hitting him.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Which states that he is able to go a long time without showing any signs of fatigue. He was able to ignore any pain if there was any in the first place and continue to own Wolverine.

He was not going on that long, you do realize the battle prior to the lights by destroy had only last a minute or so maybe even less. That's far from a long time. Logan was able to fight on after taking 20 bullets to the gut with out the ability to heal it.

He would run out of blood sooner or later and his body would falter from not having enough blood for his heart to pump through his body to bring oxygen.

Also you do realize Shaw would be no were near that strong or fast as he was at the beginning of the fight in the issue the scans are from. Yes Shaw stores energy in his body, but not that much. He was only that strong and fast due to the fact he knew Wolverine was coming he likely made sure to have vast amount of energy stored and received even more energy that he would not posses in this forum match from the explosion.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Shaw didn't own anyone.

All he did was put Logan in a chokehold.

Guess what that accomplishes?

Yeah, nothing.

Which Logan escaped from which is pretty impressive seeing how strong Shaw is and shows Logan grappling defense

Originally posted by Battlehammer
who says Logan would need to pot shot shaw? You do realize Logan could just sneak up behind shaw and slash the shit out of him. Logan has no problems fighting in the dark. Logan likly just attack shaw all over and shaw was at a complete disadvatange becauses he can't see what he swinging at and his opponet has no trouble locationg him....oh and Logan has excellent night vision.
Wolvenrine Slashes at hime and then what ?. From what i have seen Shaw is durable enough to take his slashes and every hit that wolverine lands would increase Shaws strength.

Originally posted by godking
Wolvenrine Slashes at hime and then what ?. From what i have seen Shaw is durable enough to take his slashes and every hit that wolverine lands would increase Shaws strength.

Because wolvie isnt excessively stronger than Shaw(at base), he can only get so much stronger from Wolvie hitting him imo. Thats unless Shaws strength keeps increasing no matter what hits him, but i doubt thats the case.

Its said that Saw can also absorb and increase his strength via slashes from sharp ob jects. Does that include stabs?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Because wolvie isnt excessively stronger than Shaw(at base), he can only get so much stronger from Wolvie hitting him imo. Thats unless Shaws strength keeps increasing no matter what hits him, but i doubt thats the case.

Its said that Saw can also absorb and increase his strength via slashes from sharp ob jects. Does that include stabs?

Euh Shaw can store the energy and unlike Strong guy he doesn't have to release the energy within 90 seconds, also he get's energy iff he hits something.

But I still have my doubts iff he would be able to beat wolverine.
I mean the comic book fight had him full of energy.
In this case he starts pretty much normal right?

Originally posted by Brutacus
Euh Shaw can store the energy and unlike Strong guy he doesn't have to release the energy within 90 seconds, also he get's energy iff he hits something.

But I still have my doubts iff he would be able to beat wolverine.
I mean the comic book fight had him full of energy.
In this case he starts pretty much normal right?

I know he can store the energy. Not sure you you understood or even read my post(despite the quote). Does Shaws strength, etc continue to increase when someone of a lower strength lvl continue to hit him?

In this fight, he starts off normal. When Wolvie begins to hit him, his strength, etc will increase. Once hes stronger and more durable than wolvie, will the increasing of those stats stop?

Originally posted by jrodslam
I know he can store the energy. Not sure you you understood or even read my post(despite the quote). Does Shaws strength, etc continue to increase when someone of a lower strength lvl continue to hit him?

In this fight, he starts off normal. When Wolvie begins to hit him, his strength, etc will increase. Once hes stronger and more durable than wolvie, will the increasing of those stats stop?

I did read your post why you think I reply wenn I qoute you maybe you didn't understand me, maybe I should explain it more.

He store's energy sure a stronger person like herc for example would give him more energy than wolverine it still make's him stronger why wouldn't it be Shaw doesn't need to release the energy, he keeps building it up doesn't matter what hit him or what he hits.
The energy keeps building no matter what.

I just don't know iff he could give wolverine a fight wenn he has far less energy or strenght.

Originally posted by Brutacus
I did read your post why you think I reply wenn I qoute you maybe you didn't understand me, maybe I should explain it more.

He store's energy sure a stronger person like herc for example would give him more energy than wolverine it still make's him stronger why wouldn't it be Shaw doesn't need to release the energy, he keeps building it up doesn't matter what hit him or what he hits.
The energy keeps building no matter what.

I just don't know iff he could give wolverine a fight wenn he has far less energy or strenght.

So just so im clear. As long as Shaw constantly gets hit, his strength will always continue to multiply. EVEN when hes surpassed his opponent in strength, durability, etc?

So for example, if Captain America continues to puch Shaw in the face, he can eventually gain 100cl strength? Even if a 13 yr old hits him, the results are the same?

If so, i find that very interesting. Especially considering once he gets enough energy, his durability increases, so the hits from someone a much lower lvl than him shouldnt even effect him in the slightest. If thats the case, his strength should increase just by him walking. Yes?

Something seems flawed.

Originally posted by jrodslam
So just so im clear. As long as Shaw constantly gets hit, his strength will always continue to multiply. EVEN when hes surpassed his opponent in strength, durability, etc?

So for example, if Captain America continues to puch Shaw in the face, he can eventually gain 100cl strength? Even if a 13 yr old hits him, the results are the same?

If so, i find that very interesting. Especially considering once he gets enough energy, his durability increases, so the hits from someone a much lower lvl than him shouldnt even effect him in the slightest. If thats the case, his strength should increase just by him walking. Yes?

Something seems flawed.

Pretty much. And actually his strength in theory should just increase by living...eg air pressure. I'm not sure it's that sensitive though.

Shaw was overloaded when Emma in Storms body hit him with a lightning bolt. In this case it was a very large amount of energy in a short period of time which overloaded his metabolism.(Shaw also was at human levels at that point, he expended all his energy swimming back to shore after Colossus threw him in the lake.)

Shaw has absorbed Cannonballs shield before as well and broke Nimrod with Lelands help.

As for Legacy, I don't believe Shaw lost to Wolverine, had he lost he'd be dead like the rest of the new Inner Circle and that's highly unlikely for a character of Shaw's status. Besides this entire ordeal was planned. The idea was to allow Xavier near Daken without him knowing that it's all a set up. I find it highly unlikely that Shaw didn't have a contingency, which now that I think about it is most likely Daken.
The blood Daken's talking about is probably blood spatter from that scan where Wolvey slices open Shaw's back.