Who Can Beat Superman...

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Infinite crisis they took prime from almost the middle of the universe to the andromeda galaxy(which is where rao is)in 2 panels,the andromeda galaxy 2.5 million lightyears from the milky way...and the milky way isn't the center of the universe so it was a minimum 2.5 million lightyears which if it took them an entire day to achieve(lol)puts them at 912,500,000 times the speed of light...non sundipped,sundipped supermans stats skyrocket from a couple hours in the sun...

(Rao is in Andromeda?)

Anywho, I know that seems like + light speed, but since it says nothing about it, you can't assume that it actually was FTL. I'll provide you with an example:

Superman Red (who was equal with Superman Blue in speed - the same Superman Blue who kept up with the Flash on Earth) rushes Henshaw to the sun in less than a page, really. However, if you read it - he flat out tells us he's going just under light speed. In reality, this trip lasted at least nine minutes. Does it seem like that? Hell no. In fact, I don't recall any time when Supes has explicitly traveled at FTL speeds. With the Silver Surfer, this is not the case:

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"Seconds later and lightyears away."

Not to mention all these:

Originally posted by darthgoober
[B] III. Speed

Alright well we’ll start with some strait line travel speed feats

Travel’s a just over a light year in seconds(or less)
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4062/theinfinitygauntlet0442nt1.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/113/theinfinitygauntlet0443pu8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9909/theinfinitygauntlet0444le1.jpg

Travels half a million light years in seconds
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3076/silversurfervol3006us8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/281/silversurfervol3007nn1.jpg

Another “light years in seconds” feat
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8551/ff41315hc7.jpg

Crosses universe
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7020/ssenslavers06vb5.jpg[/B]

It doesn't have to say its lightspeed,distance and a time reference is all that is ever needed,we know it happened in less then a day we know that for it to take a day it would make them 912.5 million times the speed of light,we know it took much less then a day because there is no way they fought prime off for a day,using a comic where the writer has no idea what the speed of light is has no barring on current supermans speed,he is 912.5million times the speed of light minimum without sundipping.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
It doesn't have to say its lightspeed,distance and a time reference is all that is ever needed,we know it happened in less then a day we know that for it to take a day it would make them 912.5 million times the speed of light,we know it took much less then a day because there is no way they fought prime off for a day,using a comic where the writer has no idea what the speed of light is has no barring on current supermans speed,he is 912.5million times the speed of light minimum without sundipping.

Not knowing what the speed of light is? No, its more probable that Supes simply cannot break light speed under his own power.

Superman Blue and Red being about equal in speed, and saying that the only one comparable is the Flash. They're faster in their energy form than in their previous form, capable of covering half the globe almost instantly...still, not light speed:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesMOT10_007.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesMOT10_008.jpg

Nevertheless, Supes is going just under lightspeed when bullrushing Cyborg to the sun:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesRBp50.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesRBp51.jpg

Superman traveling across Metropolis to stop a bullet...he's not successful:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin05.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin06.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin07.jpg

Want a more recent example? JLA #14, Dr. Light admits Superman is fast - but not faster than light. And proceeds to tag and drop him:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/JLA14p20.jpg

Another? JLA #24. Diana states that with Superman's powers Amazo could come back to Earth (23,000 miles away) in a few minutes. Diana has fought with and against Supes for years. She's a credible source:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/JLA24p18.jpg

I'm sure a lot of people have been misled about Supes flying Darkseid from the Earth to the edge of the universe in one page. Well, he does...problem is, he uses a boom tube to do so:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Supes-Bats13p9.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Supes-Bats13p10.jpg

In DOTNG, Supes travels from Vega to Earth in a few minutes (25 lightyears away.) I'd post that picture too, but I don't have the issue (I did read it, however.) Problem is that the flight is off panel. We don't see him 'til he's back on Earth. He could have used his speed and flown...or he could have used a boom tube, or a JLA transport. We don't know. And if you're gonna take everything that happens off-panel as fact, then Sentry stalemated Galactus and other such nonsense.

I may not have as many issues with Supes in them as Avlon or some others, but I do have plenty. And I've never seen Supes break light speed under his own power conclusively. That honor would go to Surfer, Gladiator, Takion, Lightray, etc.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Not knowing what the speed of light is? No, its more probable that Supes simply cannot break light speed under his own power.

Superman Blue and Red being about equal in speed, and saying that the only one comparable is the Flash. They're faster in their energy form than in their previous form, capable of covering half the globe almost instantly...still, not light speed:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesMOT10_007.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesMOT10_008.jpg

Nevertheless, Supes is going just under lightspeed when bullrushing Cyborg to the sun:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesRBp50.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesRBp51.jpg

Superman traveling across Metropolis to stop a bullet...he's not successful:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin05.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin06.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin07.jpg

Want a more recent example? JLA #14, Dr. Light admits Superman is fast - but not faster than light. And proceeds to tag and drop him:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/JLA14p20.jpg

Another? JLA #24. Diana states that with Superman's powers Amazo could come back to Earth (23,000 miles away) in a few minutes. Diana has fought with and against Supes for years. She's a credible source:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/JLA24p18.jpg

I'm sure a lot of people have been misled about Supes flying Darkseid from the Earth to the edge of the universe in one page. Well, he does...problem is, he uses a boom tube to do so:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Supes-Bats13p9.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Supes-Bats13p10.jpg

In DOTNG, Supes travels from Vega to Earth in a few minutes (25 lightyears away.) I'd post that picture too, but I don't have the issue (I did read it, however.) Problem is that the flight is off panel. We don't see him 'til he's back on Earth. He could have used his speed and flown...or he could have used a boom tube, or a JLA transport. We don't know. And if you're gonna take everything that happens off-panel as fact, then Sentry stalemated Galactus and other such nonsense.

I may not have as many issues with Supes in them as Avlon or some others, but I do have plenty. And I've never seen Supes break light speed under his own power conclusively. That honor would go to Surfer, Gladiator, Takion, Lightray, etc.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Not knowing what the speed of light is? No, its more probable that Supes simply cannot break light speed under his own power.

Superman Blue and Red being about equal in speed, and saying that the only one comparable is the Flash. They're faster in their energy form than in their previous form, capable of covering half the globe almost instantly...still, not light speed:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesMOT10_007.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesMOT10_008.jpg

Nevertheless, Supes is going just under lightspeed when bullrushing Cyborg to the sun:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesRBp50.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesRBp51.jpg

Superman traveling across Metropolis to stop a bullet...he's not successful:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin05.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin06.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin07.jpg

Want a more recent example? JLA #14, Dr. Light admits Superman is fast - but not faster than light. And proceeds to tag and drop him:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/JLA14p20.jpg

Another? JLA #24. Diana states that with Superman's powers Amazo could come back to Earth (23,000 miles away) in a few minutes. Diana has fought with and against Supes for years. She's a credible source:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/JLA24p18.jpg

I'm sure a lot of people have been misled about Supes flying Darkseid from the Earth to the edge of the universe in one page. Well, he does...problem is, he uses a boom tube to do so:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Supes-Bats13p9.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Supes-Bats13p10.jpg

In DOTNG, Supes travels from Vega to Earth in a few minutes (25 lightyears away.) I'd post that picture too, but I don't have the issue (I did read it, however.) Problem is that the flight is off panel. We don't see him 'til he's back on Earth. He could have used his speed and flown...or he could have used a boom tube, or a JLA transport. We don't know. And if you're gonna take everything that happens off-panel as fact, then Sentry stalemated Galactus and other such nonsense.

I may not have as many issues with Supes in them as Avlon or some others, but I do have plenty. And I've never seen Supes break light speed under his own power conclusively. That honor would go to Surfer, Gladiator, Takion, Lightray, etc.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Except when he travels to different galaxies or went to saturn in 4 minutes from earth or a dozen other times,its your job to prove he does use a boomtube or something when one was never used in fact we see them flying in infinite crisis and guess what?no boomtube no aiding device just flying they flew at minimum 912.5 million times the speed of light sorry if that hurts your feelings it happened don't act like a retard every single example your using is from pretty much before 2000ish which is when superman started breaking lightspeed again he constantly gets stronger every year under yellow sun and hes now far far beyond lightspeed again.

Um, three of the scans are from Feb 2006, one is from Dec 2007, and one is from Oct 2008.

So no. Not true. And from Earth to Saturn in four minutes sounds about right for someone who can go at or just below light speed.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Um, three of the scans are from Feb 2006, one is from Dec 2007, and one is from Oct 2008.

So no. Not true. And from Earth to Saturn in four minutes sounds about right for someone who can go at or just below light speed.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I am pretty sure it take 20, or 19 minutes

Not in comic books. Check out the Cyborg scans. There are countless other examples, but I'm not digging through them all.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Not in comic books. Check out the Cyborg scans. There are countless other examples, but I'm not digging through them all.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Lol, light takes 20 or 19 minutes to there. It how it works!

From the Earth to Saturn...not from the sun to Saturn.

Originally posted by Enyalus
From the Earth to Saturn...not from the sun to Saturn.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yes, I know, but thats not my point. Speed of Light is about 186000. It 8:20 second for the sun to reach earth. I believe it takes about 20 minutes. If you do the math correctly its
x+8:20=20 (right) Its 11.40 minutes. That means he has done it about 2.5 times faster. If you believe the math

And like I'm saying, it's comic book physics. You think any of them actually knows it takes 11 minutes to get from Earth to Saturn?

Originally posted by Enyalus
And like I'm saying, it's comic book physics. You think any of them actually knows it takes 11 minutes to get from Earth to Saturn?

I already posted about 3 different feats of Superman going faster then the Speed Of light. It's up to you to accept it, or, but do not use stupid excuses.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Ahahah that stupid!! 😄 Superman escaped a black hole by surpassing the speed of light.

Meh. Don't suppose you'd know the issue, or a scan, or something? I've not seen it - though again, I'm not the authority on Supes. Was he inside of it? Skimming the event horizon? What were the circumstances?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Meh. Don't suppose you'd know the issue, or a scan, or something? I've not seen it - though again, I'm not the authority on Supes. Was he inside of it? Skimming the event horizon? What were the circumstances?

Taken from respect thread credit to KgKg

Accelerates to get out of a double black hole
http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightspeedot9.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightspeed2vm5.jpg

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Taken from respect thread credit to KgKg

Right. Okay. 🙂

He's going the speed of light in that. I just said I didn't and don't know of an instance where he went faster than light speed (hence the acronym FTL).

Originally posted by Enyalus
Right. Okay. 🙂

He's going the speed of light in that. I just said I didn't and don't know of an instance where he went faster than light speed (hence the acronym FTL).

Originally posted by xJLxKing
??He got out of it! To get out of a black hole one must ravel faster then light

It says on panel you need to equal light speed. And the last number shown is 186,000 mps.

Did you read the scan? 😛

Originally posted by Enyalus
It says on panel you need to equal light speed. And the last number shown is 186,000 mps.

Did you read the scan? 😛