Originally posted by EnyalusLight can't escape a black hole, thus, he accelerated past this point.
God ****ing damnit. It says, on panel, that escape velocity is the speed of light. Meaning in order to escape the black hole, he needed to be going the speed of light or faster. He wasn't at light speed initially, he was just under it. Then he continues to accelerate, and escapes the black hole. Hence he's traveling at light speed. Nothing indicates he was going faster. At all.
Originally posted by EnyalusIn countdown, Superman flew from the Vega system to Earth in a few beeps from Jimmy Olsen's watch. Very very much faster than lightspeed.
(Rao is in Andromeda?)Anywho, I know that seems like + light speed, but since it says nothing about it, you can't assume that it actually was FTL. I'll provide you with an example:
Superman Red (who was equal with Superman Blue in speed - the same Superman Blue who kept up with the Flash on Earth) rushes Henshaw to the sun in less than a page, really. However, if you read it - he flat out tells us he's going just under light speed. In reality, this trip lasted at least nine minutes. Does it seem like that? Hell no. In fact, I don't recall any time when Supes has explicitly traveled at FTL speeds. With the Silver Surfer, this is not the case:
"Seconds later and lightyears away."
Not to mention all these:
When Lex elected President, he flew from Earth to a moon of Saturn, in under 4 minutes, vastly faster than lightspeed.
Originally posted by Juntai
Light can't escape a black hole, thus, he accelerated past this point.
No. Read the scan. It states that that was a common misconception. And then mentions, specifically, that escape velocity of that particular black hole was light speed. Meaning in order to escape it, he'd have to be going light speed or faster. And since the last speed given is below c when he is accelerating, why should I assume he breaks c when he only needs to equal it in order to escape?
Originally posted by Juntai
In countdown, Superman flew from the Vega system to Earth in a few beeps from Jimmy Olsen's watch. Very very much faster than lightspeed.
I thought that was in DOTNG, but okay. I mentioned it earlier - how he got back to Earth is a mystery. It happened off-panel. Could have easily been a boom tube or JLA transport.
Originally posted by Juntai
In Infinite Crisis, Superman chased Superboy Prime across the universe, at vastly faster than lightspeed, otherwise getting there would have taken millions of years.
Yeah, but then GLs were also chasing him. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but GLs don't go FTL. To cover the vast distances they travel in space they open stargates/wormholes.
Raoul, by 'depowered' I didn't mean, you know - literally depowered. I meant greatly weakened. My bad.
If SS can't react fast enough, I think that Waverider or Genis-Vell could pull the win. And barring them...no one else really until you get to above Skyfather level. People like Dark Phoenix, who eat stars.
Originally posted by xJLxKingEvidence for both exist you can choose what you like.
If superman can go beyond Speed of light
I have yet to see a quantifiable FTL ie in number where it say Superman is going FTL.
Sure there many space feat we can call FTL ie calculating distances from Object A to B takes 50 light years and superman does it in one panel.(stuff like that)
IMO Superman can go faster than light if he accelerate fast enough meaning in space he can keep increasing his speed to beyond that.
One of the main reason Superman can't fly faster than speed of sound is it cause collateral/ environmental damage.( but again has been ignored by writers since feats of faster than that exist even on earth)
IMO Superman can go faster than light in space since he can keep accelerating at exponential rate while on earth he does not have that luxury.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I thought that was in DOTNG, but okay. I mentioned it earlier - how he got back to Earth is a mystery. It happened off-panel. Could have easily been a boom tube or JLA transport.
yet when its surfer, people seem to automatically assume he did it under his own power... not exactly fair, is it?
Raoul, by 'depowered' I didn't mean, you know - literally depowered. I meant greatly weakened. My bad.
no problem...
Originally posted by Raoul
yet when its surfer, people seem to automatically assume he did it under his own power... not exactly fair, is it?
'Cept I've posted scans from Norrin's respect thread (and one that wasn't there) which shows him going FTL without it being off-panel. 😛
Originally posted by Juntai
No sir, GL's can travel transluminal.
Ah. Kay.
What do you and Raoul think about Waverider & Genis taking this? Waverider could stop time and BFR him easily enough, and Genis is capable of BFRing to the Microverse. Not only that, but he controls photonic energy, which is what solar radiation is (basically). Barring those guys, I can't really think of anyone trans or below who could stop Supes. I think even the best skyfathers - Odin, Ares, etc. would be hard pressed to stop him. IMO ya gotta go even higher, to people like Dark Phoenix, who also powers up from stars, or Extant, who's composed of purely entropic energy in order to stop him for the majority.
Any suggestions from you two?
Originally posted by Enyalus
'Cept I've posted scans from Norrin's respect thread (and one that wasn't there) which shows him going FTL without it being off-panel. 😛
because it's not directly specified on panel it didn't happen? he said he was at vega... he didnt mention anything about a teleporter or any other method of transportation. and if it was a jla transporter, he wouldnt have flown to the scene the way he did in the comic... i mean, he would have beamed in all star trek like if he'd used a teleporter wouldnt he?
What do you and Raoul think about Waverider & Genis taking this? Waverider could stop time and BFR him easily enough, and Genis is capable of BFRing to the Microverse. Not only that, but he controls photonic energy, which is what solar radiation is (basically). Barring those guys, I can't really think of anyone trans or below who could stop Supes. I think even the best skyfathers - Odin, Ares, etc. would be hard pressed to stop him. IMO ya gotta go even higher, to people like Dark Phoenix, who also powers up from stars, or Extant, who's composed of purely entropic energy in order to stop him for the majority.Any suggestions from you two?
i'm not sure, to be honest... it's entirely possible they could, imo...
Originally posted by EnyalusI haven't really considered it, I was just adding my input on the couple of topics... but, I agree that battlefield removal is going to be one of the best options.
'Cept I've posted scans from Norrin's respect thread (and one that wasn't there) which shows him going FTL without it being off-panel. 😛Ah. Kay.
What do you and Raoul think about Waverider & Genis taking this? Waverider could stop time and BFR him easily enough, and Genis is capable of BFRing to the Microverse. Not only that, but he controls photonic energy, which is what solar radiation is (basically). Barring those guys, I can't really think of anyone trans or below who could stop Supes. I think even the best skyfathers - Odin, Ares, etc. would be hard pressed to stop him. IMO ya gotta go even higher, to people like Dark Phoenix, who also powers up from stars, or Extant, who's composed of purely entropic energy in order to stop him for the majority.
Any suggestions from you two?
Originally posted by Enyalusshit
Barring those guys, I can't really think of anyone trans or below who could stop Supes. I think even the best skyfathers - Odin, Ares, etc. would be hard pressed to stop him. IMO ya gotta go even higher, to people like Dark Phoenix, who also powers up from stars, or Extant, who's composed of purely entropic energy in order to stop him for the majority.
