Originally posted by Warlord
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IMO the serum has nothing to do with his power. I bet it would be shown to be Osborn's way of having him under his control
Originally posted by Warlord
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Does this mean that the Void was the Angel of death during Exodus , cos that clearly looks like the Void in the last panel of BC flash back. I presume its probably an analogy, I.e. the Void is comparable to the Wrath of God. What would be cool, and It something that no one has ever had the balls to attempt before (Not that Im aware of, anyway); a sci-fi/Stargate/Charriot of the Gods interpretaion of the Old Testament. I.e. Bendis is using Clarkes Law theory of explaining magic/ Divine power with theoretical science, e.g. Ailen technology or Super powers derived from science. If this is the case I would give Bendis a lot of respect, cos its a very controversial idea. The last person who used such profound concepts was Jack Kirby, with his New God and Eternal saga's. I highly doubt it though, implying that the Miracles of the Bible were the use of theoretical science rather than the Divine power, is really gonna piss a lot of people off, and I was under the impression that Bendis was a practicing Jew ? Also if the ANgel of death was the Void, how the fact did he go back in time - Maybe one of his powers ? Or the sentry could in fact be Marvels answer to the Spectre- I.e. the dimension that his molecules are in synch with is : Heaven ?? ... Now that would be cool, but unlikely .... Marvel tend to stay well away from Jeudeo-Christian theology.
Originally posted by willRules
Plus we can't really speculate on how Sentry's powers work in relation to Bendis' faith.........after all, it's a comic book.
Ummmm, No one made the claim that Sentry's powers were related to Brendis faith, I simply claimed that Bendis is unlikely to provide a sci-fi explanation of the Bible miracles - analogous to the Charriot of the gods claiming the Gods of myth to be Ailens; with their divine powers exposed to be advanced technology, indiscriminate from magic - as it would be too controversial.
I.e. If Bendis was to imply that some of the Old Testament miracles were in fact feats accomplished by Super humans (E.G. the Sentry who derives his powers from pseudo science) he would be indirectly proposing that God wasn't responsible for the feats. This would also imply that some of the Claims made in the Old Testament bible, were false - For they claim that the miracles performed are the work of God.
IMO this is a very contentious proposition that is going to be regarded by some, as a form of blasphemy. If u start suggesting that some of the Bible is false, then were do us stop ??? I don't think Brendis will want to secularize the Marvel universe entirely.
When it comes to providing ulterior historical explanations, the Bible seems to be off limits. If u start suggesting that non-Classical theistic beings are responsible for the miracles of the bible, your going to be indirectly proposing that some of the Bible is incorrect; which is something a lot people are not going to like.
If Bendis is a practicing Jew, he's unlikely to want to piss off the Jewish, Christian and Muslim community, by insinuating the claims of the Old Testament to be false, no matter how fictional his claims may be. To imply that the Marvel is a secularized universe devoid of a Monotheistic God, is going isolate the Marvel universe from a lot of religious people.
IMO its as analogously controverisal as implying that the Holocaust ( that took place in the Marvel universe) was conducted by the Nazi's because the found all Jews to be skrulls. I'm sure you would agree, re interpreting history so radically is going to piss off a lot of people off ?
Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Ummmm, No one made the claim that Sentry's powers were related to Brendis faith, I simply claimed that Bendis is unlikely to provide a sci-fi explanation of the Bible miracles - analogous to the Charriot of the gods claiming the Gods of myth to be Ailens; with their divine powers exposed to be advanced technology, indiscriminate from magic - as it would be too controversial.I.e. If Bendis was to imply that some of the Old Testament miracles were in fact feats accomplished by Super humans (E.G. the Sentry who derives his powers from pseudo science) he would be indirectly proposing that God wasn't responsible for the feats. This would also imply that some of the Claims made in the Old Testament bible, were false - For they claim that the miracles performed are the work of God.
IMO this is a very contentious proposition that is going to be regarded by some, as a form of blasphemy. If u start suggesting that some of the Bible is false, then were do us stop ??? I don't think Brendis will want to secularize the Marvel universe entirely.
When it comes to providing ulterior historical explanations, the Bible seems to be off limits. If u start suggesting that non-Classical theistic beings are responsible for the miracles of the bible, your going to be indirectly proposing that some of the Bible is incorrect; which is something a lot people are not going to like.
If Bendis is a practicing Jew, he's unlikely to want to piss off the Jewish, Christian and Muslim community, by insinuating the claims of the Old Testament to be false, no matter how fictional his claims may be. To imply that the Marvel is a secularized universe devoid of a Monotheistic God, is going isolate the Marvel universe from a lot of religious people.
IMO its as analogously controverisal as implying that the Holocaust ( that took place in the Marvel universe) was conducted by the Nazi's because the found all Jews to be skrulls. I'm sure you would agree, re interpreting history so radically is going to piss off a lot of people off ?
Oh I absolutely agree. That was what I meant. It's just a comic. Bendis is not really gonna delve into massive issues of faith or become extremely cotroversial for one issue of Dark Avengers (unless it sells well 😛 )
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Didn't they already do this with Apocalypse? Explain several old religions as his machinations.
Maybe ... although the older mythological religions have mainly be covered by the Marvel Gods and the Eternal s (I prefer the Eternal mythology personally though no one seems to be able write them properly since Gaiman). No one to my knowledge has gone near Jeudeo Christian historical interpretation, for its contentiousness.
Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Maybe ... although the older mythological religions have mainly be covered by the Marvel Gods and the Eternal s (I prefer the Eternal mythology personally though no one seems to be able write them properly since Gaiman). No one to my knowledge has gone near Jeudeo Christian historical interpretation, for its contentiousness.
Oh no, they did not brush on Christianity in any way. I'll dig up the scans somewhere and see what it was the incident dealt with. Still, I see nothing wrong with Bendis doing it, even if it is highly unlikely. Austen practically went out and told us that the Devil was actually a mutant, and nightcrawler's father to boot.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Oh no, they did not brush on Christianity in any way. I'll dig up the scans somewhere and see what it was the incident dealt with. Still, I see nothing wrong with Bendis doing it, even if it is highly unlikely. Austen practically went out and told us that the Devil was actually a mutant, and nightcrawler's father to boot.
Yeah please do, but as u said I doubt Bendis will take that route .... hats off to him if he does, He'll need all the help he can get. I think the message boards will be calling out for his blood if he does insinuate this.
Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Yeah please do, but as u said I doubt Bendis will take that route .... hats off to him if he does, He'll need all the help he can get. I think the message boards will be calling out for his blood if he does insinuate this.
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Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Alas, it was not quite as I remembered but still noteworthy. It's from Louise Simonson's X-Factor #24. I guess there was never any chance of this raising a spectacle since they mostly deal with "religions" that are of no importance today.http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/xf024pg05.jpg
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Those Gods actually exist in the MU don't they? Typical Apocalypse.
These make the most sense to me about the issue...someone else's ideas about this on another forum
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One - There was a universe before this one, of which Galactus is currently the only known survivor (to the best of my knowledge). Maybe the Universe is cyclical and the "Galactus" that inhabits Sentry was actually the sole survivor of the "Universe before last." (Or alternately if you combine Sentry's previous "out of phase with time" explanations, it could be a future-Galactus).Two - It's just an expression. A Marvel Universe twist on the old "For I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds" quote. In this case, it's not really meant to be taken literally. It's just a method of scaring Lindy by putting it into a frame of reference an inhabitant of the Marvel Universe would "get." (Frankly, this is the explanation I'm leaning towards at this point). Besides, if you want to get technical Galactus is the Devourer of worlds, not the destroyer (Picking nits I know, but still).
Three - Sentry is crazy. (OK, actually this combined with the above is what I'm leaning towards). Whatever he is is "something else" that hasn't yet been fully explained. This would allow the religious implications to be safely ignored as delusional.
Originally posted by bbrem123
These make the most sense to me about the issue...someone else's ideas about this on another forumSpoiler:Two - It's just an expression. A Marvel Universe twist on the old "For I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds" quote. In this case, it's not really meant to be taken literally. It's just a method of scaring Lindy by putting it into a frame of reference an inhabitant of the Marvel Universe would "get." (Frankly, this is the explanation I'm leaning towards at this point). Besides, if you want to get technical Galactus is the Devourer of worlds, not the destroyer (Picking nits I know, but still).
Three - Sentry is crazy. (OK, actually this combined with the above is what I'm leaning towards). Whatever he is is "something else" that hasn't yet been fully explained. This would allow the religious implications to be safely ignored as delusional.
It will be a combination of these ... It won't be number 1.
Where he derives his powers from, will be the most interesting part. I hope it is something biblical ...but as i've stated previously thi is unlikely.
