Exposing perversity to children

Lycanthorpe:

I'd also like you to comment on this, in light of the fact you think homosexuality is a choice:

Originally posted by inimalist
In psychology, there is a condition known as a phantom limb. It occurs when a person has a limb removed, yet they can still feel pain or tension where the limb would have been. This is because the brain contains a map of the body that activates when you feel something, and the limb is never removed from there, only the body.

A majority of men who have their penis removed due to cancer report a "phantom penis" phenomena.

Interestingly, biological men who have underwent sex change surgery report (based on preliminary surveys) significantly less occurrence of phantom penis. The current interpretation of this (it was actually a prediction that spurred the survey) is that the body map of a woman born into a man's body is not male, but female, and thus, the penis is never properly represented, thus cannot have phantom pain.

This indicates that something like personal gender identity, something largely thought to be a social construct, may have very strong biological roots.

Originally posted by inimalist
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4) a rational point would indicate you have some rational for what you are saying. There is 0 evidence that homosexuality is a mental disorder, sex is only for procreation in the most literal of biological descriptions, and homosexuality is rife in the animal kingdom. So, going by "ration", you are wrong. Now, if you are making the moral point that you think gays are sinners, which the rest of your rant alludes to, fine. your point is not close to rational though

Male Lions in captivity with no females? Are you saying they didn't have a choice and that they would not prefer females? I didn't say sex was only for procreation. I said this was the point of sex. Are you saying we are just lucky that humans perpetuated, that children are a byproduct of our enjoyment of intercourse? Because if it were not the natural order of things there would be very few people. By the way ,since you are in the know, what is the % of the population that is gay? You talk about Doctors and psychologist who would KNow. Well for your info there are Psychologist or "People who would KNow" who would disagree with that theory. So that point is moot. I am interested on where you got your info about male lions that copulate in the wild ,seriously, that is perplexing. Actually i had it coming using animals i mean, my dog humps the couch. So touche

Originally posted by inimalist
In psychology, there is a condition known as a phantom limb. It occurs when a person has a limb removed, yet they can still feel pain or tension where the limb would have been. This is because the brain contains a map of the body that activates when you feel something, and the limb is never removed from there, only the body.

A majority of men who have their penis removed due to cancer report a "phantom penis" phenomena.

Interestingly, biological men who have underwent sex change surgery report (based on preliminary surveys) significantly less occurrence of phantom penis. The current interpretation of this (it was actually a prediction that spurred the survey) is that the body map of a woman born into a man's body is not male, but female, and thus, the penis is never properly represented, thus cannot have phantom pain.

This indicates that something like personal gender identity, something largely thought to be a social construct, may have very strong biological roots.

Wow!

That's so cool!

But that makes me think. How much of your brain map is psychological to begin with, if at all? The brain is a very dynamic organ. Is it possible that the individual actually has the ability to change how their brain reacts? I've proposed this before. If the person is so very set on thinking that they are female, is it possible that they could actually facilitate the rapid change in brain reaction to sensory stimuli and even facilitate the transition over from phantom pains?

Depending on how this data was collected, is it possible that the trans-gender people actually feel the phantom pains but deny them because of their strong belief in their gender identity? Acknowledging the pains would have a psychological influence or origin, in my opinion. Then again, I'm weak on psychology. Maybe you could shed light on this.

Very interesting, though. Any time I bring up more science, when it concerns homosexuality, to Christians, they deny it and rationalize it every which way except the correct way. They do it so severely that it is hard for me not to laugh at their stupidity.

On another note, I remember reading about a dude's brain that rewired itself after decades of not having an appendage. I think it was his hand. The brain very quickly rewired itself to accommodate the "new" hand. Could that be related to the topic on hand in any way?

Originally posted by Lycanthrope
You talk about Doctors and psychologist who would KNow. Well for your info there are Psychologist or "People who would KNow" who would disagree with that theory. So that point is moot.

I know "scientists" who believe that shooting hydrogen at extremely dense metals creates cold fusion. That fact that they exist doesn't make argument that their work is unscientific moot, in fact the existance of far far more people who disagree makes them virtually meaningless. So while there are psychologists who think homosexuality is a choice or evil or unnatural it doesn't matter because they're ignoring actual science from their field.

Originally posted by Lycanthrope
The thing that strikes me as Odd is...You say that Homosexuals do not have a choice? So your Brain is wired to like men? If you are saying its not a choice then you are mentally Deficient. Because the only purpose for sexuality is Procreation. Only Humans do it for fun. In Nature ,as we are all of nature, If a male Lion tried to give it to another male Lion in the A** the Lion would Kill the other. This is not a natural act. There would be no procreation. So Either you have a normal functioning brain and choose to be Gay or you do not have a normal functioning brain and have no choice. Before i get bombarded hear, I'm trying to make a rational point. I'm not a Homophobe and dont care. I have best friends who I love and would kill or die for.THE ONLY thing that makes me NOT gay is that i dont have sex with them. What ever people do behind closed doors (Euphemism for sexual activity) should never be impeded by a Govnt.. Marriage is a Religious institutional idea. Before organized religion people didnt get "Married" They stayed together out of necessity of survival. So under this auspice of Religion institute, which the U.S. Constitution clearly implies the Sanctioning of GOD of our Country. OUR Nation UNDER GOD.......IN GOD we trust...... A gay person has no right to be married. You have the right to have sex with a man, but to be sanctified in Marriage or have the same benefits no. "Tolerated as Blacks, or mentally Hadicapped" as you say.....Yes the should.

How exactly does "In God We Trust" (This is on US currency) & "OUR Nation UNDER GOD" (are you referring to the pledge of allegiance?) correlate to "homosexuals do not have the right to get married/equal rights"?

When answering, please keep in mind that from a legal standpoint, marriage has nothing to do with God or religion. The state issues the marriage certificates and if you want a divorce, it's done through the courts, ie the church really has nothing to do with marriage, legally.

Also, "God" isn't mentioned in the US Constitution, with the exception at the very end in the signatory, ie "in the year of our lord". So you're wrong about that.

kids should not be exposed to this and gay dudes should stay in the closet...as much as I like bi babes kids should not be exposed to that either...their brains are not developed...sick $hit

Originally posted by Jack Daniels
kids should not be exposed to this and gay dudes should stay in the closet...as much as I like bi babes kids should not be exposed to that either...their brains are not developed...sick $hit

Yet another open minded and insightful comment. I especially liked where the opinion was backed up by fact!

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I guess us celibates are in the same boat as you lot... equally unnatural.

If denying your god-given urges were natural, we would never have delveoped the word unatural to deny it. I'm just saying that you can be a priest and profess the message of Jesus without denying your humanity or his. I know you think Jesus was divine and above humanity, but god sent himself to live in our world as one of us in an effort to apprently better understand a creation he created in his own image. If that implies a need to deny one's self to better understand and spread the word of a god who made himself man in an effort to better understand us, then he, again, missed the mark; because we are no less sexual and primal than we are divine and intellectual. There's no aspect of a divine human considtion that can be discovered by denying yourself a base and realistic aspect of that condition. For Christ's sake, that's the whole aspect behind his words, his ministry and his mission on Earth. Pun intended.

I am not against gay marriage. I thought I had solid points of precedence to make as to why it shouldn't be.I stand corrected on some But, all this begs the question, for me....What is the point of marriage.

Originally posted by Jack Daniels
gay dudes should stay in the closet...

So should dumb ass straight people who think that it's cool to suck face on the subway and dare to have the audacity to be themeslves in front of a crowd. Perhaps straight couples should be run over or shot or hanged or mutilated because of their audacity of presumption; the same way straights presume. Don't worry, I'm just as bad as you. I see a straight couple holding hands or publically loving each other or praying over their coffee and biscuit and I think they should be doused with acid and murdered. But, where we disagree is that you think simply being straight involves some measure of normality while being gay and doing the exact same thing implies abnormality. As soon as the straight couple doesn't feel a turn in their stomach and get up and leave when they see the exact same behavior for a gay couple, then we'll have no problems. Therein lies the difference. I don't want to see you all go away or burn or die. I just want you to accept that your perspective isn't the only one. Maybe to do that involves setting you on fire or killing your loved ones or pounding you into submission. But it doesn't have to. The choice is yours when it comes down to it.

quite poetic DK

Originally posted by Devil King
So should dumb ass straight people who think that it's cool to suck face on the subway and dare to have the audacity to be themeslves in front of a crowd. Perhaps straight couples should be run over or shot or hanged or mutilated because of their audacity of presumption; the same way straights presume. Don't worry, I'm just as bad as you. I see a straight couple holding hands or publically loving each other or praying over their coffee and biscuit and I think they should be doused with acid and murdered. But, where we disagree is that you think simply being straight involves some measure of normality while being gay and doing the exact same thing implies abnormality. As soon as the straight couple doesn't feel a turn in their stomach and get up and leave when they see the exact same behavior for a gay couple, then we'll have no problems. Therein lies the difference. I don't want to see you all go away or burn or die. I just want you to accept that your perspective isn't the only one. Maybe to do that involves setting you on fire or killing your loved ones or pounding you into submission. But it doesn't have to. The choice is yours when it comes down to it.

This is very much on the thread's topic and this post reminded me of it.

I was speaking with a person who is strongly opposed to homosexuality. (I won't name them 😐 )

They asked me if I thought it was okay to stumble upon two f**s feeling each other up and making out in a store while I was shopping with my children. I replied that I would be just as pissed about it if I saw a heterosexual couple doing the same. I told this person that it doesn't ****ing matter who's doing it, you should do that shit in the proper place.

Granted, I make sure the coast is clear before I grab my wife's bewbz. doped

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I agree, it shouldn't matter who is doing the grabbing (so long as its consensual!), but where.

I for one feel that maybe certain things shouldn't be revealed to kids until they're "old enough." For example, telling kids about homosexuality doesn't necessarily mean saying 'They get their kicks through anal sex, my seven-year-old son! Let me explain with this diagram.'

There are more straight people who get their "kicks" through anal-sex, than there are homosexual. Just a thought.

Very true. Which just bothers me more that people feel they need to bring it up when they're only talking about homosexuals instead of what they did that one night.

Originally posted by Jack Daniels
kids should not be exposed to this and gay dudes should stay in the closet...as much as I like bi babes kids should not be exposed to that either...their brains are not developed...sick $hit

You equate homosexuality to a mental deficiency, yet you admittedly enjoy watching (and masturbating to) women having gay-sex. Didn't think that one through, did ya, genius.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I know "scientists" who believe that shooting hydrogen at extremely dense metals creates cold fusion. That fact that they exist doesn't make argument that their work is unscientific moot, in fact the existance of far far more people who disagree makes them virtually meaningless. So while there are psychologists who think homosexuality is a choice or evil or unnatural it doesn't matter because they're ignoring actual science from their field.

Ok Lets say Homosexuality Is not a mental deficiency and, even say its natural to be gay. Why does it disturb me to see , IN public or anywhere, men kissing? Please dont just come back with I'm a homophobe or closet gay. I have a girlfriend and 2 children and I am very attracted to women. It just turns my stomach. Now some of you will just say I'm a NAZI and gay hater but I'm really not. Like i said the only thing that makes someone Gay is what they do in bed. I do the same things with my friends a gay person would , just not in the bed. So why is there such an aversion to witnessing gay activity to the Majority of the populace ? I'm not arguing here. I would appreciate greatly if any one could explain this (scientifically as Chaos puts it) like they have on the other points i tried to make. Because i assumed, because of my personal reaction, that it was unnatural. Ive since been proved wrong and I would like to know what it is that makes it seem so wrong to me.(The seeing of it; not the being gay)

Originally posted by Lycanthrope
Ok Lets say Homosexuality Is not a mental deficiency and, even say its natural to be gay. Why does it disturb me to see , IN public or anywhere, men kissing? Please dont just come back with I'm a homophobe or closet gay. I have a girlfriend and 2 children and I am very attracted to women. It just turns my stomach. Now some of you will just say I'm a NAZI and gay hater but I'm really not. Like i said the only thing that makes someone Gay is what they do in bed. I do the same things with my friends a gay person would , just not in the bed. So why is there such an aversion to witnessing gay activity to the Majority of the populace ? I'm not arguing here. I would appreciate greatly if any one could explain this (scientifically as Chaos puts it) like they have on the other points i tried to make. Because i assumed, because of my personal reaction, that it was unnatural. Ive since been proved wrong and I would like to know what it is that makes it seem so wrong to me.(The seeing of it; not the being gay)

Conditioning and imagination, I would assume.

When you were younger you were taught that a man and a woman marry, that only those should also kiss. Maybe you were even taught that homosexuality is bad, who knows. Either way in your mind it is different, and different things strike us as odd. On top of it, you being heterosexual, do not want to kiss a man, you find the idea, when relating to yourself, distasteful (probably like kissing a really, really ugly girl ), so when you see it, you probably put yourself into their shoes, subconsciously, which, since you are heterosexual, you obviously won't enjoy and maybe even find sickening. I'd assume that's where it comes from. Again, like seeing two really, really ugly people make out...I don't know about you, but that kinda disgusts me.

And, of course, not saying that you are one, but there are secretly gay or at least bisexual people, who were taught how wrong it is, and when they (maybe even just subconsciously) find such actions attractive, they react much stronger in the opposite way due to the conditioning.

Finally there's obviously things as peer pressure, etc. But I think the first part probably explains why you find it sickening.

Does Devil King get disgusted by girls kissing?