shang-shi vs cap america (w/o shield)

Originally posted by Warrior18
1. I'm pretty sure Danny had just fought the entire wrecking crew(I think)......so he would be very very tired.

yeah, i think you're right, but the 'he was tired" excuse is a bit lame. 😬 AND he had energy enough to summon the fist to try and end things, but failed. my point wa sthta in that initial encounter, cap was clearly (imo) depicted as superior. cap even said he might be as good as mantis, but that it wasn't good enough . . .

if i believed in ABC logic, i'd agree with whoever brought it up. 🙂

2.No I'm sure he just said Cap's strength and speed were incredible, yet his skill was very basic. Also this was oldschool IF who was nowhere near as good as he is now. Aaaaaaaaaaand Cap thought Danny had committed a serious crime or something, so he was not holding back at all. Danny on the other hand was trying not to hurt Cap.

danny might have been holding back initially but as the fight went along we stopped holding back--even tried a sneak attack that cap caught easily . . . that's when he knew he had to go with the IF or he was finished. 😬 the NEW danny might be better, but he wasn't convincingly better than t'challa and cap>BP . . .

Originally posted by Warrior18
1.Cap not being killed instantly against Namor is down to Namor being a bollocks fighter, Cap being an incredible fighter, Cap being fast enough to keep up, his mighty shield and probably a bit of PIS thrown in for good measure. 🙂 With Cap's shield Shang could conceivably do the same.

namor is actually highly skilled in his own right as a warrior with various weapons. his speed is superhuman as well. you can't possibly go feat-for-feat as regards shang vs cap. ANYTHING you could bring up with shang was done a dozen times--and better--by cap at some point. i really can't figure why anyone would give this to shang. what specific evidence would you point to? cap has tagged quicksilver in battle, has fought people at LEAST as skilled (including mantis and moondragon) and far stronger than shang. i'm not seeing any proof that shang could beat cap in this match . . . i'm not saying i CAN'T be convinced, you (or someone) need to make a very convincing case . . .

Originally posted by Warrior18
However it is Shang's chi amping which gets him the win here. How is Cap going to hang with a guy who has vast superhuman stats AND is at least very close to him in skill without his shield?

When has Shangs chi ampage ever been shown to surpass Cap in stats? Like another poster said Shang got demolished by Wolverine.

Originally posted by Warrior18
1.Cap not being killed instantly against Namor is down to Namor being a bollocks fighter,

Um Namor is a martial arts expert....

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, i think you're right, but the 'he was tired" excuse is a bit lame. 😬 .

You sure I thought that it depends on how intense the fight was. I mean if its a fairly difficult fight it could be argued that they would not be 100 percent.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not saying i CAN'T be convinced, you (or someone) need to make a very convincing case . . .

hes Chinese....duh.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

You sure I thought that it depends on how intense the fight was. I mean if its a fairly difficult fight it could be argued that they would not be 100 percent.

in some cases, but like i said--when he's really exhausted he can't summon the fist. he did. he may have been a little tired, but imo it didn't show very much. 😬

Hes Chinese....duh.

oohhhhhhh . . . .

😐

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well for starters enemies of Shang Chi said Cap was better.

It was Zaran who said Cap was better actually.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
When has Shangs chi ampage ever been shown to surpass Cap in stats? Like another poster said Shang got demolished by Wolverine.

I did post some earlier scans from Shang's thread and some belonging to srank.
Any human who can amp himself so much that he can survive getting hit by a huge red dragon with enough force to send him thousands of feet into the sky AND survive the subsequent fall (again from thousands of feet) with little or no injury (to my knowledge) is operating at a significantly superior physical level to Cap.

The same can be said of Shang knocking a radio mast down with one hit and blocking a punch form Hiroim the Shamed.

Add to that Shang being at least very close to Cap in H2H skill. Crucially Cap does not have his shield in this fight. Therefore Shang would win in my opinion.

I have already given my opinion on Shang and Logan's fight. People are letting one low (in my opinion) showing dictate their entire view of Shang Chi. I used to do the same until I saw what Shang is actually capable of.

ps Hasn't Logan also defeated Cap? 😉

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Um Namor is a martial arts expert....

Meh I always thought he was pretty much your typical super strong/durable/fast/relatively unskilled brick.
Lol,in comics almost everyone and their respective grandmothers are listed as being an experts in unarmed combat etc.Anyway compared to top tiers he probably is pretty bollocks.

Originally posted by leonidas
in some cases, but like i said--when he's really exhausted he can't summon the fist. he did. he may have been a little tired, but imo it didn't show very much. 😬

I dunno obvoulsy if somebody is a little tired I think we should take that into considertion because obvoulsy you would do better if you werent.....but I kinda see what you mean.

Originally posted by leonidas

oohhhhhhh . . . .

😐

Its a joke. I just cant see how you can factually say that Shang is better so im just thinking maybe people just think that hes better because hes Chinese and people associate Chinese people with martial arts...its stereotypint.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It was Zaran who said Cap was better actually.

Doesnt change anything. Zaran is in a position to make that assessement and also the other villains ran off in the end, which implies it must be true, and the other villains didnt disagree with Zaran. Theres no way Shang Chi is good enough to do that.

Originally posted by Warrior18
I did post some earlier scans from Shang's thread and some belonging to srank.
Any human who can amp himself so much that he can survive getting hit by a huge red dragon with enough force to send him thousands of feet into the sky AND survive the subsequent fall (again from thousands of feet) with little or no injury (to my knowledge) is operating at a significantly superior physical level to Cap.

*sigh* No that doesnt prove thatShang Chi is tougher than Cap. We dont know how strong that Dragon is but Cap has probably been hit by people stronger or at least comparable strength.

Also the Dragon cushioned Shang Chi fall and Shang was KO the **** out from the punch.

Originally posted by Warrior18

The same can be said of Shang knocking a radio mast down with one hit and blocking a punch form Hiroim the Shamed.

Cap hasnt kicked a radio tower but he has done comparable feats. He blocked Hirioms punch because it seemed he was using Chi, in terms of Chi you could say hes better but that feat alone doesnt prove that Shang is better or is going to beat Cap.

Originally posted by Warrior18

Add to that Shang being at least very close to Cap in H2H skill. Crucially Cap does not have his shield in this fight. Therefore Shang would win in my opinion.

I have already given my opinion on Shang and Logan's fight. People are letting one low (in my opinion) showing dictate their entire view of Shang Chi. I used to do the same until I saw what Shang is actually capable of.

ps Hasn't Logan also defeated Cap? 😉

Im not sure but the fight didnt end within 3 panels. Sorry but 99 percent f your feats dont prove anything.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Meh I always thought he was pretty much your typical super strong/durable/fast/relatively unskilled brick.
Lol,in comics almost everyone and their respective grandmothers are listed as being an experts in unarmed combat etc.Anyway compared to top tiers he probably is pretty bollocks.

Um no their not there are alot of bricks that dont have listed martial arts skill and actually the proof that Namor is a martial expert is in the comics. Hes used a pressure point before and hes also shown knowledge of different martial arts, in fact I dont think ive seen any brick with the martial arts knowledge that Namor has.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

*sigh* No that doesnt prove thatShang Chi is tougher than Cap. We dont know how strong that Dragon is but Cap has probably been hit by people stronger or at least comparable strength.

Also the Dragon cushioned Shang Chi fall and Shang was KO the **** out from the punch.

Cap hasnt kicked a radio tower but he has done comparable feats. He blocked Hirioms punch because it seemed he was using Chi, in terms of Chi you could say hes better but that feat alone doesnt prove that Shang is better or is going to beat Cap.

1.Cap has never been sent thousands of feet into the sky with a single hit.The force he was hit with was incredible and he survived. It was an insane durability feet from Shang.The guy has also stood shirtless in well below subzero temperatures which would have killed his teamates had they done the same.All thanks to his mastery of chi.

2. Lol. I know he cushioned Shang's fall............from thousands of feet.
Being knocked out is irrelevent.What is relevant is that Shang wasn't cut in half, turned to paste, etc from being belted, I say again, THOUSANDS OF FEET INTO THE SKY.

3. Really? Cap has leveled a large metal radio tower or similar? Can he really generate that kind of force with his punches/kicks?

4. Yes I know it was down to chi. That's precisely my point.Shang's chi ampage is why he wins. Cap is fighting a fellow top tier who can give himself somewhat insane superhuman stats. Cap is also without his shield.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Um no their not there are alot of bricks that dont have listed martial arts skill and actually the proof that Namor is a martial expert is in the comics. Hes used a pressure point before and hes also shown knowledge of different martial arts, in fact I dont think ive seen any brick with the martial arts knowledge that Namor has.

Superman has displayed more pressure point knowledge than Namor. I have never heard anyone say he is an expert. 😐
As I said everyone in comics is basically an expert.......but we know who the top tiers and other genuine experts are.
Namor's skill is nothing to Caps and it is why top tiers etc survive against bricks. They roll with blows etc.

Originally posted by Warrior18
1.Cap has never been sent thousands of feet into the sky with a single hit.The force he was hit with was incredible and he survived. It was an insane durability feet from Shang.

So basically what you're trying to tell me is that the feat is more impressive than getting hit many times by a class 50 Mr Hyde and getting hit by a class 80 Iron Man? Its an impressive feats but you cant prove its any better than some of Caps.

Originally posted by Warrior18

The guy has also stood shirtless in well below subzero temperatures which would have killed his teamates had they done the same.All thanks to his mastery of chi.

Big deal. Cap has spent time briefly in a nuclear reactor.

Originally posted by Warrior18

2. Lol. I know he cushioned Shang's fall............from thousands of feet.
Being knocked out is irrelevent.What is relevant is that Shang wasn't cut in half, turned to paste, etc from being belted, I say again, THOUSANDS OF FEET INTO THE SKY.

How is that more impressive than being hit more than once by somebody with class 50 strength?

Originally posted by Warrior18

3. Really? Cap has leveled a large metal radio tower or similar? Can he really generate that kind of force with his punches/kicks?

Most likely yes. He hasnt done the same exact thing but he has other feats that imply he could easily do that.

Originally posted by Warrior18

4. Yes I know it was down to chi. That's precisely my point.Shang's chi ampage is why he wins. Cap is fighting a fellow top tier who can give himself somewhat insane superhuman stats. Cap is also without his shield.

But you haven't proven that these chi feats are good enough to give him the win.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Superman has displayed more pressure point knowledge than Namor. I have never heard anyone say he is an expert. 😐

And nobody has said that DD is one of earths greatest combatant, guess hes not then. I guess there are exceptions but Namor is still an MA expert.

Originally posted by Warrior18

As I said everyone in comics is basically an expert.......but we know who the top tiers and other genuine experts are.
Namor's skill is nothing to Caps and it is why top tiers etc survive against bricks. They roll with blows etc.

namor also has superhuman speed as welll, that compensates him for the lack of skill. 😐

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So basically what you're trying to tell me is that the feat is more impressive than getting hit many times by a class 50 Mr Hyde and getting hit by a class 80 Iron Man? Its an impressive feats but you cant prove its any better than some of Caps.

Most likely yes. He hasnt done the same exact thing but he has other feats that imply he could easily do that.

1. As far as I know Cap and other similar level characters survive such encounters by rolling with the blows meted out to them by stronger opponents. Basically they probably never get a clean connection. Surely if they did Cap would have been sent hurtling through air, as happend to Shang when that dragon belted him. Also I seem to remember Cap once getting attacked by Beast and receiving a few blows. He stated he was not sure whether he could have survived anymore punishment. I doubt he would have survived getting hit (without 'rolling'😉 so hard and with so much force he would be sent thousands of feet into the sky. I mean Shang does all this even without Captain America style armour.

2.Most of my knowledge of Cap comes from Brubaker's run. As much as I enjoyed it and I own the whole collection, I never once saw him demonstrate that kind of striking power. I would appreciate it if you could maybe give me some examples of Cap matching Shang's striking feats.

Shang-Chi has a Black Canary-esq chi based sonic scream type attack.

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Does Shang tire? If so, I could see Cap lasting long enough to pull out a few wins. If not, he takes at least 9/10 since Cap doesn't get his shield.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shang-Chi has a Black Canary-esq chi based sonic scream type attack.

/thread

.........and he can walk upside down on ceilings. 😉

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shang-Chi has a Black Canary-esq chi based sonic scream type attack.

/thread

Originally posted by Warrior18
1. As far as I know Cap and other similar level characters survive such encounters by rolling with the blows meted out to them by stronger opponents. Basically they probably never get a clean connection. Surely if they did Cap would have been sent hurtling through air, as happend to Shang when that dragon belted him. Also I seem to remember Cap once getting attacked by Beast and receiving a few blows. He stated he was not sure whether he could have survived anymore punishment. I doubt he would have survived getting hit (without 'rolling'😉 so hard and with so much force he would be sent thousands of feet into the sky. I mean Shang does all this even without Captain America style armour.

2.Most of my knowledge of Cap comes from Brubaker's run. As much as I enjoyed it and I own the whole collection, I never once saw him demonstrate that kind of striking power. I would appreciate it if you could maybe give me some examples of Cap matching Shang's striking feats.

Originally posted by Mindset
Cap's scream is powered by America

Shangs scream is powerd by China.

Chinas population>>>>>America

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Shangs scream is powerd by China.

Chinas population>>>>>America

America >>>>> China

Originally posted by darthgoober
Didn't he put down Savage Hulk in something like three punches... 😖hifty:

😠

😛

Originally posted by Mindset
That may be, but

America >>>>> China

Not since George bush.