Originally posted by Warrior18
1. As far as I know Cap and other similar level characters survive such encounters by rolling with the blows meted out to them by stronger opponents. Basically they probably never get a clean connection. Surely if they did Cap would have been sent hurtling through air, as happend to Shang when that dragon belted him. Also I seem to remember Cap once getting attacked by Beast and receiving a few blows. He stated he was not sure whether he could have survived anymore punishment. I doubt he would have survived getting hit (without 'rolling'😉 so hard and with so much force he would be sent thousands of feet into the sky. I mean Shang does all this even without Captain America style armour.
Sorry thats flawed logic Wolverine has been hit by Hulk many times and not gone flying, so you're trying to tell me that every time Hulk hit him Wolverine rolled with his punches or for that matter when he got hit by Wonder Man as well and all the other bricks.
I think Beast said he could have killed him. At any rate thats just one example people showings vary. I dont see how Cap could have rolled with Hydes punches basically Cap was suprised by Hyde. I dont have scans of it but its just basically shows Mr Hyde laying into Cap and Cap being helpless.
Also when he got hit by Master Man in Brubakers run it was a suprise attack. That version of The Master Man was based on the orginal that could lift 50 tons.
Originally posted by Warrior18
2.Most of my knowledge of Cap comes from Brubaker's run. As much as I enjoyed it and I own the whole collection, I never once saw him demonstrate that kind of striking power. I would appreciate it if you could maybe give me some examples of Cap matching Shang's striking feats.
Well theres this
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6751/captainamericavol31316fv4.jpg
Obvosuly its not the samething but if hes strong enough to do that its not a stretch to say that if he took a jump and used his legs that he could kick a radio tower over.
Also Cap has hit Savage Hulk so hard that he let go of Cap, that beats any radio tower.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shang-Chi has a Black Canary-esq chi based sonic scream type attack./thread
Originally posted by Warrior18
Spot on. I have never seen Cap dodge bullets tha way Shang has.
Are you for real, Shangs bullet dodging feats suck in comparison. How are his feats any better than this?
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/451/avengersv300505ng4.jpg
Ive actually seens Cap run faster than a bullet...in a straight line... 😐
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Sorry thats flawed logic Wolverine has been hit by Hulk many times and not gone flying, so you're trying to tell me that every time Hulk hit him Wolverine rolled with his punches or for that matter when he got hit by Wonder Man as well and all the other bricks.I think Beast said he could have killed him. At any rate thats just one example people showings vary. I dont see how Cap could have rolled with Hydes punches basically Cap was suprised by Hyde. I dont have scans of it but its just basically shows Mr Hyde laying into Cap and Cap being helpless.
Also when he got hit by Master Man in Brubakers run it was a suprise attack. That version of The Master Man was based on the orginal that could lift 50 tons.
1.Wolverine has a godly healing factor..........he doesn't need to roll with anything.
2. Well that's up to interpretation. Cap is durable for sure.He also does these things wearing armour which impressed Tony Stark of all people. I would still say getting belted into the sky would have done far more damage to Cap than getting hit by Hyde. By the way does Hyde's strength not fluctuate? DD has straight up punked that idiot.
3.Cap is a ridiculously good fighter.I think he is capable of rolling with the punches of some lumbering brick of a moron even if they get the jump on him. He also has his armour to protect him.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWell theres this
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6751/captainamericavol31316fv4.jpg
Obvosuly its not the samething but if hes strong enough to do that its not a stretch to say that if he took a jump and used his legs that he could kick a radio tower over.
Also Cap has hit Savage Hulk so hard that he let go of Cap, that beats any radio tower.
1.Meh I would have to see it. That radio tower was very large.
2.Yeh. Was that when he kidney punched Hulk as-well? When he KOed Hulk in order to save Spiderman's arse?
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Originally posted by Phantom ZoneAre you for real, Shangs bullet dodging feats suck in comparison. How are his feats any better than this?
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/451/avengersv300505ng4.jpg
Ive actually seens Cap run faster than a bullet...in a straight line... 😐
1.Really? So dodging bullets Matrix style sucks next to Cap's examples? 😬
2.Damn............Cap must rival old school Quicksilver in running speed then. 😐
Originally posted by Warrior18
1.Meh I would have to see it. That radio tower was very large.
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/CaptainAmerica-135-MoreMonsterthanM.jpg
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneAre you for real, Shangs bullet dodging feats suck in comparison. How are his feats any better than this?
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/451/avengersv300505ng4.jpg
Ive actually seens Cap run faster than a bullet...in a straight line... 😐 [/B]
Yup I'd say Cap playing in lasers is greater then Shang playing in bullets.
Originally posted by Warrior18
1.Wolverine has a godly healing factor..........he doesn't need to roll with anything.
You missed the point, according to your logic that dragon hit Shang Chi harder than the Hulk hits Wolverine....I dont think so.
Originally posted by Warrior18
2. Well that's up to interpretation. Cap is durable for sure.He also does these things wearing armour which impressed Tony Stark of all people.
1. Dont matter anyway he has his armour in this thread.
2. Cap has had his head used as a wrecking ball by a superhuman Red Skull without armour and had a house collapse on top of him and didnt have anything broken. Hes also survived been shot in the head without armour
Originally posted by Warrior18
I would still say getting belted into the sky would have done far more damage to Cap than getting hit by Hyde.
No not all theres zero proof that the guys is stronger than class50. LOL how much does he weigh? It wouldnt take that much to send a 200lbs man that far in the sky in fact I bet 10 tons of force could do it. Oh and you seem to be basing it mainly on this feat, it impressive but not THAT impressive.
Originally posted by Warrior18
By the way does Hyde's strength not fluctuate? DD has straight up punked that idiot.
Nope, durability maybe.
Originally posted by Warrior18
3.Cap is a ridiculously good fighter.I think he is capable of rolling with the punches of some lumbering brick of a moron even if they get the jump on him.
Ermm Bruv Master Man hit Cap from behind and he didnt even know Master Man was there your not rolling with punches you cant see coming. Eventhough Cap has shown to have enhanced senses most of the time they are not shown on that level and there was nothing to indicate that he was there at all.
In the case of Mr Hyde I wish I had scans that doesnt look Cap was rollin with shit. Also I actually think you might need proof to say he rolled with punches instead of making assumptions. In one case in particular he actually stated it.
Originally posted by Warrior18
He also has his armour to protect him.
So what? Cap had his head used as a wrecking ball not any less impressive than what happened to Shang, he only weighs 200lbs.
Originally posted by Warrior18
[B ]1.Meh I would have to see it. That radio tower was very large.
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It was tall but the metal was quite thin, that robot arms metal was thicker and harder to break.
Originally posted by Warrior18
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2.Yeh. Was that when he kidney punched Hulk as-well? When he KOed Hulk in order to save Spiderman's arse?[/B]
Nope.
Originally posted by Warrior18
1.Really? So dodging bullets Matrix style sucks next to Cap's examples? 😬
C'mon man...
hi-tech machine gunfire fire + laser fire >>>>> measly handgun fire 😬
Originally posted by Warrior18
2.Damn............Cap must rival old school Quicksilver in running speed then. 😐
Obvoulsy not, its a hgh showing and he did it for a split second.
Btw taking down the tower which is thin railing is a pressure point feat more than strength... Karnak could do the same...
Cap three his shield with enough force to outpace a missile...
To go through the sides of a semi trucks trailer.. Which you could say is a pressure point weak metal feat akin to Shang
But also to stop dead a semi truck already in motion.
Ps dies anyone remember cap escaping from the helicarrier??? I can't remember that issue instance but I remember loving the issue. Issue numbers?
Btw it may have even been bucky... I'm just trying to find the issue
Actually chaps............in hindsight I was too overawed with Shang's dragon feat. I'm going to change my view and say this is a stalemate.I still think Shang is at least capable of matching Cap physically and is also a top tier fighter. Even split because Cap is without a shield.
Also I'm going to argue for Bats getting at least 3 against Shang in their thread. I don't want to be accused of fanboyism. 😮
