Originally posted by Knowsbleed33yeah...this is how it started : you said he's got better feats sure but PR beyonder despite all his power can still die wheras MoM cant (MoM is eternal). and since MoM cant die he cant lose
Not since his retcon he's not. This is PR Beyonder who has feats beyond MoM.
this doesn't mean he wins - but at least he doesn't lose 😛
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
FACT: As was the Beyonder pre-retcon.Feats speak way louder than implied power sets.
I don’t think you understand, its power is not implied at all. There is no higher power for a character to obtain, or be established as; If he/she is the legitimate absolute force behind their respective series. What will you do? Deny what the comic states?
Why members, rant on and on about comparing feats with such a character is ridiculous. Now comparing characters below the Real TOAA, MoM, Presence, Tenchi Muyo etc… that is fair game, since their powers have a legitimate bench mark to make an analysis from.
I favor, MoM because no writer has stated that he/she isn’t the one true Omnipotent god in the Spawnverse. The same can not be said, about Beyonder hence the reason whey he has eras. And there are contradictional statements that imply, he isn’t as omnipotent as he claims to be….or the writer interprets omnipotence in a different sense.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
He's not omnipotent if he can't kill God or the Devil as said above.I think it is you who doesn't understand.
Says who? Not the comics, members need to read and pay attention.
He created them, removed them from their seats of power, de powered them, transformed them, outright humiliated. Even God Spawn was both granted and removed from these powers.
Nothing shorter then some one of MoM caliber would be needed to effect their immortality, and MoM only replied a decision not destroy them, so that she may not violate her own rules.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33this don't contradict omnipotence. it's like asking if the abrahamic god of the torah/bible/koran can commit suicide (he can't but once again no contradiction with his omnipotence)
He's not omnipotent if he can't kill God or the Devil as said above.I think it is you who doesn't understand.
on the other hand something's not omnipotent if it can be killed
Originally posted by id369
It means he is a True Omnipotent.
(Waits for concession)
Originally posted by id369
I don’t think you understand, its power is not implied at all. There is no higher power for a character to obtain, or be established as; If he/she is the legitimate absolute force behind their respective series. What will you do? Deny what the comic states?
And it's easy to make a more powerful character than the most powerful within the fiction. Marvel could write in the next handbook that there's one being above The-One-Above-All, but it isn't necessary a retcon--if The-One-Above-All feats are still canon (creating the omniverse, the Living Tribunal and so forth).
Even if there is a "ultimate force" it's impossible to prove, hence not an "ultimate force" in debate, whether it's true or not.
Originally posted by id369
Why members, rant on and on about comparing feats with such a character is ridiculous. Now comparing characters below the Real TOAA, MoM, Presence, Tenchi Muyo etc… that is fair game, since their powers have a legitimate bench mark to make an analysis from.
Omnipotence is not an argument if it can't be proven, in other words "Omnipotence is not an argument."
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Hey ID was that one sequence where Spawn went to a different level of reality and comic book characters from dc and marvel were held captive..including their writers still canon or did it get retconned?cause if thats that cause....even the comic writers are bellow MOM in the spawnverse.
Well to be honest, that wasn’t a dream sequence. Angela’s lance, effectively removes a Hell Spawn from one plane of existence into another. Spawn was in another plane of existence, until he woke up.
Spawn effectively willed himself into existence, to get back to earth. Or better yet to be more precise, he used his latent reality warping powers to get back.
And no its has not bin ret-coned.
Originally posted by rotiart
... what? she has rules she can't break?people thought you couldn't kill death ... but beyonder proved them wrong...
There is a difference between cant and wont. She wont do so, because she does not want to disturb the order in the universe she set.
Originally posted by Astner
And now the burden of proof lies on you.(Waits for concession)
First off you can't prove your claim. Omnipotence is term that has been tossed around within different fictions, meaning completely different things. Furthermore, we don't base our arguments on "statements", but rather on feats--panel or not.
And it's easy to make a more powerful character than the most powerful within the fiction. Marvel could write in the next handbook that there's one being above The-One-Above-All, but it isn't necessary a retcon--if The-One-Above-All feats are still canon (creating the omniverse, the Living Tribunal and so forth).
Even if there is a "ultimate force" it's impossible to prove, hence not an "ultimate force" in debate, whether it's true or not.
Really I don’t have to go beyond the fact that, she states she is the creator of everything, and that there is no greater force then here.
From this point on, all I expect from you is an endless rant of how you view omnipotence or not.
Originally posted by Astner
I would hardly say that any of the above are equal, saving the Presence and The-One-Above-All--as Marvel and DC seem to have that cross-over bond. Even if we overlook that it's still pretty hard to assume who's the most powerful of the two.Omnipotence is not an argument if it can't be proven, in other words "Omnipotence is not an argument."
Are members reading this? Neither from the list have any feats the way Beyonder has. Yet they are vague entities of each respective company, who are credited to being the be all, end all of their fictional establishment.