Wolverine and Colossus vs The Wrecking Crew

Originally posted by -K-M-
Haha what? I suggest you look at their redone respect thread then as everything they do they have done consistently and have more then just one or two high showings.

I love the irony your calling me biased

Originally posted by -K-M-
Find me another instance then of a blade shredding skin like that in a comic then. Please endulge me.

No it wasn't, Wolverine when he got punched by Rulk is looking to the side and you see his face literally punched off and you can his his skelton. Wrecker is completly in a different pose and different angle. I think you may need to look again.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Oh then what is it? Ummm...actually Im not the only one who has said this, as it has been discussed over at CBR, comicvine and I even believe Herochat.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Those instances I listed happened before and during the annual.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Maor nuiscance...ok what did he do exactally that really got the Crew in a bad spot?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Except your using a Crew which falls under PIS/CIS and isn't allowed.

Uh huh..

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Rhino? Seriously? Considering the Crew have taken on much, much stronger line-ups of heroes, I can't see how the hell that feat isn't massive PIS.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I don't know, from what I've seen of the Crew they seem to get pummeled alot. Piledriver and Bulldozer got kayoed from being run over by a semi in that issue iirc.

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Rhino? Seriously? Considering the Crew have taken on much, much stronger line-ups of heroes, I can't see how the hell that feat isn't massive PIS.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
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Originally posted by jinzin
Because when they've done it it's usually been thanks to some underlining circumstance.

Such as?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That was a amped up Crew wasn't it? And they [b]still looked mediocre. [/B]

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Such as?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Such as?

Originally posted by jinzin
If this is in the last several to half a dozen months then forgive me for not keeping up.. If not,, then it doesn't matter.. Yeah when you try to legitimately use their Herc/Thor fight to say what they're capible of, it's pretty damned bias...

Yes, look at it as it has a lot of recent stuff not many people know about.

There you go calling me biased again.

Originally posted by jinzin
No,, YOU need to look again, if you look at the "SHREDDED" skin being pulled off behind Logan's face you'll notice it's penciled in pretty much the EXACT same fashion as Wreckers... the same way Logan's drink is when he crushes his glass in the bar just below it.. I guess Logan was drinking a glass full of cloth. 🙄

I am, your using an example of a punch doing what a knife can do. Completly different and wait so you think it's skin? What skin is that colour?

Originally posted by jinzin

His face.. like we've been discussing 🤨

I know, this instance was brought up to me as people were telling me apperances of the Crew as I was redoing the respect thread.

Originally posted by jinzin

I don't recall punches making them cough up blood.

Happened on more then one occasion.

Originally posted by jinzin

Never siad he did.. I said he was Major nuisance that would have left many openings for people of Colossus' and Wolverine's offesnsive capabilities.

Why? Especially the fact as much as you don't like it they have been upgraded and still refered to as such, such as their training with Ulik.

Originally posted by jinzin
Because I think this team can beat them?

Uh huh..

No your using examples that are against the rules.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That was a amped up Crew wasn't it? And they [b]still looked mediocre. [/B]

They were amped up by the same power source amping Sasquatch

lets not forget that on one occasion thor let himself get beaten silly...

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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
lets not forget that on one occasion thor let himself get beaten silly...

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor_1990_418_14.jpg

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You mean the one time? Which hasn't even really been brought up.

Nice example, and oh vay let's ignore the fights which didn't have circumstances behind them.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yes, look at it as it has a lot of recent stuff not many people know about.

There you go calling me biased again.

Wouldn't be the first time, probably won't be the last.

Originally posted by -K-M-
I am, your using an example of a punch doing what a knife can do. Completly different and wait so you think it's skin? What skin is that colour?

And no it's not completely different, there's ripped skin in both instances and depicted similar in both instances. The broken drink glass furthers support as to just how that artist depicts his fluidity when it's jutting outwards...

Originally posted by -K-M-
Happened on more then one occasion.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Why? Especially the fact as much as you don't like it they have been upgraded and still refered to as such, such as their training with Ulik.

Originally posted by -K-M-
No your using examples that are against the rules.

Originally posted by jinzin
Then if these are recent upgrades why don't you just say so instead of acting all offensive as if everyone here should?

Wouldn't be the first time, probably won't be the last.

I did.

Oh the irony.

Originally posted by jinzin
What color? Red? The insides you know.. like you have.. like I have... It's only skin toned on the outside.

And no it's not completely different, there's ripped skin in both instances and depicted similar in both instances. The broken drink glass furthers support as to just how that artist depicts his fluidity when it's jutting outwards...

You would be refering to muscle tissue, but no muscle tissue is like that and nor is their blood even on Wrecker's face. Basic biology.

What? a punch would tear skin while a sharp blade would sheer through. A blade does not do that once again to skin, to cloth which has shown many times yes in comics, but skin? No not with a blade.

Originally posted by jinzin
Then i'll have to relook the issue. I still don't think it matters much as Wolverine has taken groups of 100's in battle. It's not like him putting two or three members of the Crew on the defensive would be outside his ability, or history... The call to PIS/CIS is a bit of a stretch just to get people to ignore that when you are using instances of Spiderman being hit in midair leaps as some indication that Wreckers as fast as Spidey. 😬

Look at all their apperances in New Avengers, Bendis Crew is a far cry from what they really are. That was more of a relfex mention, but Wrecker and the Crew have battled Spider-Man multiple times and really had no troubles hitting him. That was just one example and was a pretty impressive thing as how far he swatted SM into the air.

Originally posted by jinzin
What do you mean why? Because that's what we're discussing.. Again I don't know about any recent major upgrades to the Crew because I'm not a WC fan so I don't follow them like you. All my references are of the crew as I knew them 6 months ago.

The Crew have to date been upgraded 3 (4 actually, but they lost one when Tanaraq's power was cut off) times since they were first introduced and as noted still retain those abilities. Writers ignore some of their abilities, such as Wrecker's energy beams, or his ability to merely wave his hand and teleport people away.

Originally posted by jinzin

Every time the Crew isn't beating Herc or Thor due to circumstancial BS is against the rules? Oh my.

Ummm...what? Where did I say that? That was a reference more to the Wolverine, Ronin incident. However, the Crew have other showings against Herc and Thor were they sneak attacked them and they did extremely well.

Oh for ****'s sake Mungi you can't even admit that the flesh being torn is drawn similar to Wreckers when it clearly is on panel without any need for interpretive bias... This is crazy, it only proves that you'll go to any lengths to give your boys the nod as per the usual which is why I hesitate to even consider these apparently new "upgrades" you're reffering to. You're subjectively using PIS when it suites you but repremending me for going against the rules and then acting like you're not doing it.. Jeezus I know you love your characters but when is this nonsense gonna stop?

^ I personally agree that Wolverine was slashing Wrecker's flesh. They may be bullet-proof, but Wolverine's claws cut through pretty much anything. But while it may have hurt, it wasn't putting Wrecker down, who had already BFR'ed Wolverine silly.

Originally posted by -K-M-
As noted in Incredible Hercules, mortal Hercules is the same as immortal Hercules as they even fought to a stalemate in Hades. Single handly beat them down? Did he now? Because not one of them was ko'ed and what chased them off was Thor

Originally posted by snoopdogg
A teenage Colossus almost beat the Crew and the Crew actually had some formidable back up in Doc Ock. Just as he was about to put the finishing touches on Piledriver Wrecker blindsided him with the crowbar because he was worried that Colossus was going to kill them.

Stalemate 5/10.

Originally posted by jinzin
Oh for ****'s sake Mungi you can't even admit that the flesh being torn is drawn similar to Wreckers when it clearly is on panel without any need for interpretive bias... This is crazy, it only proves that you'll go to any lengths to give your boys the nod as per the usual which is why I hesitate to even consider these apparently new "upgrades" you're reffering to. You're subjectively using PIS when it suites you but repremending me for going against the rules and then acting like you're not doing it.. Jeezus I know you love your characters but when is this nonsense gonna stop?

Ummmm....what? How does this prove "you'll go to any lengths to give your boys the nod as per the usual" as I have said Wolverine can most definetly cut Wrecker. Have you been reading my posts at all? That point is a small aspect of this thread, and doesn't define who will win or lose.

The funny thing is I don't love Wrecking Crew or Moon Knight or even Darkseid, but did their respect threads as their characters that don't get much respect. You calling anyone biased is the pot calling the kettle black 😬, especially where you even admiited you don't know much about the Wrecking Crew and Wolverine is one of my favorite characters.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I personally agree that Wolverine was slashing Wrecker's flesh. They may be bullet-proof, but Wolverine's claws cut through pretty much anything. But while it may have hurt, it wasn't putting Wrecker down, who had already BFR'ed Wolverine silly.

Do people not read my posts? I think Wolverine CAN cut Wrecker. No where did I say he can't and have commented several times HE CAN. As the discussion is a different instance your talking about actually as your talking about their fight in New Avengers, while there was debate about a panel in Wolverine.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Sorry, but I don't think that's true. The mortal shade in Hades is not the mortal version of Hercules when he was depowered. The mortal shade of Hercules is that part of him that was cast off when Zeus originally gave Hercules his immortality when he originally died in ancient times. While the term "mortal" is used for both the shade and the depowered Hercules of circa-2000, I don't believe they are the same, or could have their power conflated at all, i.e., the mortal shade never references the depowered Hercules. .

Except as I said Hercules never officially had an on-panel reference to saying he was switched back to Hercules sans the current series. The lines of mortal/immortal Hercules were blurrred and was disussed quite abit on this board about it as no one knew if he was mortal or immortal. I don't see the difference the one in Hades is mortal Hercules, the the one that was degraded from immortal was refered to as mortal so why would there be a difference if Zeus stripped of their immortality both times?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Do people not read my posts? I think Wolverine CAN cut Wrecker. No where did I say he can't and have commented several times HE CAN.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Except as I said Hercules never officially had an on-panel reference to saying he was switched back to Hercules sans the current series. The lines of mortal/immortal Hercules were blurrred and was disussed quite abit on this board about it as no one knew if he was mortal or immortal. I don't see the difference the one in Hades is mortal Hercules, the the one that was degraded from immortal was refered to as mortal so why would there be a difference if Zeus stripped of their immortality both times?

Otherwise, Hercules immortal power isn't dependant on his immortality per se. His depowerment in the 2000's is a result of specific punishment, i.e., depowerment + stripping of immortality + banishment from Olympus. Hercules regained his immortality either before or when he defended Olympus in Ares' miniseries. In either case, circa-2000 mortal Hercules is no reliable measure of current immortal Hercules. At all.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I was responding to jinzin's post mainly, as I agree that Wolverine cut Wrecker in that scan, which is contrary to your opinion. In either case, that's tempered because cutting Wrecker doesn't mean much.

How is it contrary to my opinion when I think Wolverine CAN cut Wrecker?....

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The lines are only blurred through your conflation of Hercules' mortal shade and depowered mortal Hercules simply through your attenuated grasping of the term "mortal." you're ignoring the backstory behind both. The idea of Hercules' mortal shade is specifically that mortal part of him that was burning on a pyre in ancient times in agony. Hercules at that time was as strong as he is now as current "immortal Hercules." I can recall nowhere that it ever suggested that when Zeus originally made Hercules immortal, he made him incredibly more stronger. If you have proof, by all means, post it.

Otherwise, Hercules immortal strength isn't dependant on his immortality. His depowerment in the 2000's is a result of specific punishment, i.e., depowerment + stripping of immortality + banishment from Olympus. Hercules regained his immortality either before or when he defended Olympus in Ares' miniseries. In either case, circa-2000 mortal Hercules is no reliable measure of current immortal Hercules. At all.

No I'm not as I have read both, and that's nice I know all that but that doesn't change the fact similar instance occured and prove that mortal Hercules in Hades is different from the mortal Hercules on the eartly plane? All you said is exactally what happened to Hercules on the earthly plane when he got "depowered"

The difference between mortal and immortal is the name itself, one can die one is...immortal.

Originally posted by -K-M-
How is it contrary to my opinion when I think Wolverine CAN cut Wrecker?....

Originally posted by -K-M-
No I'm not as I have read both, and that's nice I know all that but that doesn't change the fact similar instance occured and prove that mortal Hercules in Hades is different from the mortal Hercules on the eartly plane? All you said is exactally what happened to Hercules on the earthly plane when he got "depowered"

The difference between mortal and immortal is the name itself, one can die one is...immortal.

So you're agreeing that immortality =/= strength amp, but then ignoring that circa-2000 mortal Hercules specifically referenced his weakened strength?