Originally posted by -K-M-They showed his was immortal when Ares tried to kill him with hydra blood, but because he couldn't die he just went crazy.
On-panel they never showed him becoming immortal again (as far as I remember), that's where the confusion begins. I remember this issue has been discussed several times here.Far as I know no, but as noted in Incredible Hercules their the same.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i know what a retcon is. i also know retcons do not negate the characters showings unless it is completely rewritten in a new retelling story..which is why in forum battles we explain which character and at one time and era or even storyline we are using for a fight...
If some one was to say classic thor or 80's herc we use what he was written as... we dont say he is stronger or weaker using newer strories..
Which they were
Ummm...what? Generally the rules of the board you go by current versions of the character unless otherwise stipulated, but as noted the Crew have gone through several upgrades (and still have them) so you can even use their past and present feats and with the PIS/CIS rule we know what is allowed and what isn't. Well on the other hand Hercules and Thor have been consistent and sans King Thor didn't undergo upgrades like the Crew, Spider-Man, Thing, etc. did so you don't need to specify which Thor (unless King Thor) and Hercules as generally they didn't change (or much) over the years.
Originally posted by Mindset
They showed his was immortal when Ares tried to kill him with hydra blood, but because he couldn't die he just went crazy.
I know, the whole recent series is where he was changed officially back to Immortal but prior no one knew if he was immortal or mortal.
Originally posted by -K-M-No.... Here's what I'll ignore: I'll ignore the delusional bias of a person who dictates that I uphold the crew to a standard higher than that which they consistently display on panel. I'll ignore the rantings of a fan about what they SHOULD be as opposed to what they ARE...
haha let's ignore the details were ON-PANEL they have stated to be upgraded then? Compelling
Originally posted by -K-M-
Wow, no. A blade does not shred skin like that, that's a fact
I think you need your eyes checked because as Shadow already pointed out for you his face was drawn EXTREMELY similar to Wreckers as it was being punched off, don't care what your denial blinders have to say on the matter...
Originally posted by -K-M-
Care to explain where his mask is then? Or the cloth on Wolverine's claw? Do I think he cut him? Sure, but not to the extent you people are saying
Originally posted by -K-M-That wasn't the same story. The annual was a one shot and took place before those instanced I think.. didn't they?
Because in the same story punches from Spider-Man, Ronin, Wolverine (not claw), Cage eas making them cough up blood. Thor and Hercules couldn't do what they did. By the very definition of the rules of the board that's PIS/CIS which as said Bendis Crew is not peak Crew.
Originally posted by -K-M-Pffft.. Oh please, just because he was doubting himself in that encounter doesn't make his success any less successful... He WAS a major nuisance, unless you have some other explaination as to why he lasted pages against the whole team while holding back.. 😐
Major nuiscance? Heh! Iron Fist didn't even believe he could take them and said he was bluffing when ever he talked to them. He did nothing to them, while IF knew he was in serious trouble
Originally posted by -K-M-Just because I think this team can win doesn't mean I'm ignoring the Crew.. I'm just not using your version of the crew simple as.
Let's ignore their (Crew) other abilities then brute strength shall we?
Originally posted by jinzin
No.... Here's what I'll ignore: I'll ignore the delusional bias of a person who dictates that I uphold the crew to a standard higher than that which they consistently display on panel. I'll ignore the rantings of a fan about what they SHOULD be as opposed to what they ARE...
What I won't ignore is their circumstantial high end showings, or spotty low end showings throughout their career.. I think that sounds fair.
Haha what? I suggest you look at their redone respect thread then as everything they do they have done consistently and have more then just one or two high showings.
I love the irony your calling me biased
Originally posted by jinzin
Uh huh.. fact... In real life? Sure... In that particular comic? Noooooo.I think you need your eyes checked because as Shadow already pointed out for you his face was drawn EXTREMELY similar to Wreckers as it was being punched off don't care what your denail blinders have to say on the matter...
Find me another instance then of a blade shredding skin like that in a comic then. Please endulge me.
No it wasn't, Wolverine when he got punched by Rulk is looking to the side and you see his face literally punched off and you can his his skelton. Wrecker is completly in a different pose and different angle. I think you may need to look again.
Originally posted by jinzin
Ain't cloth on Logan's claw.. His mask: again as already pointed out to you is covering the top of his dome and his ear.. It's okay MG.. everyone else is wrong and you're the only one who can be right I'm sure...
Oh then what is it? Ummm...actually Im not the only one who has said this, as it has been discussed over at CBR, comicvine and I even believe Herochat.
Originally posted by jinzin
That wasn't the same story. The annual was a one shot and took place before those instanced I think.. didn't they?
Those instances I listed happened before and during the annual.
Originally posted by jinzin
Pffft.. Oh please, just because he was doubting himself in that encounter doesn't make his success any less successful... He WAS a major nuisance, unless you have some other explaination as to why he lasted pages against the whole team while holding back.. 😐
Maor nuiscance...ok what did he do exactally that really got the Crew in a bad spot?
Originally posted by jinzin
Just because I think this team can win doesn't mean I'm ignoring the Crew.. I'm just not using your version of the crew simple as.
Except your using a Crew which falls under PIS/CIS and isn't allowed.
Originally posted by Mindset
I did.
How? As this was discussed not to long ago and no one was sure
Originally posted by snoopdogg
A teenage Colossus almost beat the Crew and the Crew actually had some formidable back up in Doc Ock. Just as he was about to put the finishing touches on Piledriver Wrecker blindsided him with the crowbar because he was worried that Colossus was going to kill them.
Oy Vie, they have undergone three upgrades since then
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
as did i...remember when mortal herc was walking around all lost and almost got killed by Hulk?
Herc knew he could die and took a beating without defending himself just to goat Zeus into acting on his behalf so he could get an audience with his father.. 😎
Ummm...even Immortal Hercules can be killed as even shown recently.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Wasn't Sasquatch pretty much tooling a amped up Crew in Omega Flight? I also recall the Rhino beating up the Wrecker and Thunderball recently.
No, he lost. They didn't even use half their powers either.
That was in Punisher I believe and I don't think he actually beat them.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Did he loose because he was overpowered?Pretty sure Rhino beat them both. Wrecker especially.
Yes, as they beat him into a bloddy pulp. He was emotional upset at the time but the Crew clearly had the edge and beat him.
and you don't consider that PIS/CIS especialyl when they have dealt with stronger people?
Originally posted by -K-M-I don't know, from what I've seen of the Crew they seem to get pummeled alot. Piledriver and Bulldozer got kayoed from being run over by a semi in that issue iirc.
Yes, as they beat him into a bloddy pulp. He was emotional upset at the time but the Crew clearly had the edge and beat him.and you don't consider that PIS/CIS especialyl when they have dealt with stronger people?
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I don't know, from what I've seen of the Crew they seem to get pummeled alot. Piledriver and Bulldozer got kayoed from being run over by a semi in that issue iirc.
Once again that doesn't fall into PIS/CIS especially since we have seen both of them RUN through semis on multiple occasions?