Orion,Thor,Wonder Woman,Beta Ray Bill vs. Superman,Silver Surfer, Hal Jordan, Sentry
Orion vs Supes = Orion
Thor vs SS = Thor (he has the best record against SS for a Marvel character)
WW vs Hal = Hal
BRB vs Sentry = BRB (Sentry has fallen from grace since his first appearances)
So Orion, Thor and BRB against Hal.
Team 1 ftw IMO
Originally posted by ultimatethor
He can also use blasts while zipping around on his boards at such speeds so no diana wont be blocking jack.
She can block at least 1500 strikes per second and, according to narration panel statements, has faster reaction times than Superman.
I agree with SS being able to encase her, etc. I just think that if he attempted to blast her, she'd be quick enough to deflect it.
Originally posted by Enyalus
She can block at least 1500 strikes per second and, according to narration panel statements, has faster reaction times than Superman.I agree with SS being able to encase her, etc. I just think that if he attempted to blast her, she'd be quick enough to deflect it.
Attacks coming at what speed? Im sure supes has been able to get her with heat vision before.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Yeah, she has. But it's PIS every time:That's her deflecting HV from Amazo...who was obviously using Superman's powers.
Well I doubt that evry time supes has hit her with HV or that she has been hit with a blast ( even in her respect thread there are numerous times) it has been PIS glare there is also the thing that surfer wont be staying in one position blasting but attacking from multiple angles.....
........Meh it really doesnt matter as after he encases her she is done for. He can choose to blast her to pieces then or just impale her or just leave her in dat immobile and incapacitated state etc.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
😱 lol at the nonsense . Wonderwoman bullrushed Amazo and so what? SS has much faster bullrushing speed than diana can even imagine. U obviously have no idea what u r talking about ONCE AGAIN. SS doesnt utilize speed in close quarters? In what part of the OP did u see that this fight was close quarter h2h combat? SS is very maneuvrable on his board and is so much faster than Diana its not even funny. She would have almost no chance of lassoing him at all not to mention he can just phase out. He can also use blasts while zipping around on his boards at such speeds so no diana wont be blocking jack. Also encasing her would be easy as hell for SS. SS can encase multiple people with a thought. No matter how fast wonderwoman is running/flying Ss moves at least ( and im being conservative) 1000000 times faster.So lets see here,
Her lasso is useless in this match
Her H2H speed advantage is irrelevant
SS has movement and manoevrability advantage
SS has evry other advantage in this match.But somehow Diana wins? 🤣
Umm...no just no. SS has superior travelling speed which I never argued, so yeah technically his bullrushing is better but I wasn't talking about a bullrush when I mentioned the Amazo example...since she DIDN'T BULLRUSH but rather blitz behind him which is a big difference. On that note, SS can intiate blast at high speed and yes he can travel at high speeds....but what relevance does that have to a actual battle. What matters is how the characters apply there attributes in a battle situation or in this case speed, and so SS traversing vast distances accross the universe in only a few short momments doesn't have any real importance to this battle nor should it factor in any "vs"debate unless this was a race or something.
Further more, Diana has some of the best reflex/deflecting abilites in comics so to assume SS could even nail a single blast on her is a very gross underestimation of her skill, Besides that, has SS ever shown to incase a target moving with WW's level of speed...has he ever hit a target that is fast enough to blitz behind Amazo while still in his line of sight. Oh and this line just kills me:
"No matter how fast wonderwoman is running/flying Ss moves at least ( and im being conservative) 1000000 times faster. "
What matters is how they apply there speed in combat, WW has applied her speed for more then simple travel. She can also intiat strikes while propeling and maneuverering her body at superspeed as well, unless you have a speed example outside of travelling for SS then what basis is there to suggest he is faster. If anything the evidence strongly supports that she is his superior in speed as it relates to a combat situation...so really dude what are you basing ur opinion on cause clearly it isn't based of anything on-panel that we have seen.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Umm...no just no. SS has superior travelling speed which I never argued, so yeah technically his bullrushing is better but I wasn't talking about a bullrush when I mentioned the Amazo example...since she DIDN'T BULLRUSH but rather blitz behind him which is a big difference. On that note, SS can intiate blast at high speed and yes he can travel at high speeds....but what relevance does that have to a actual battle. What matters is how the characters apply there attributes in a battle situation or in this case speed, and so SS traversing vast distances accross the universe in only a few short momments doesn't have any real importance to this battle nor should it factor in any "vs"debate unless this was a race or something.Further more, Diana has some of the best reflex/deflecting abilites in comics so to assume SS could even nail a single blast on her is a very gross underestimation of her skill, Besides that, has SS ever shown to incase a target moving with WW's level of speed...has he ever hit a target that is fast enough to blitz behind Amazo while still in his line of sight.
Galen - did you read the issue? Amazo was not only physically damaged, but psychologically as well. His programming was conflicting with Red Tornado's. He was not at optimum levels - mentally or physically. Her blitzing behind him isn't much of a feat. He was busy attempting to gain control over the Red Tornado programming still in his system at the time. He wasn't giving her full attention. And the only one who seems to be in awe of her speed there is Red Arrow.
So...don't distort things.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Umm...no just no. SS has superior travelling speed which I never argued, so yeah technically his bullrushing is better but I wasn't talking about a bullrush when I mentioned the Amazo example...since she DIDN'T BULLRUSH but rather blitz behind him which is a big difference. On that note, SS can intiate blast at high speed and yes he can travel at high speeds....but what relevance does that have to a actual battle. What matters is how the characters apply there attributes in a battle situation or in this case speed, and so SS traversing vast distances accross the universe in only a few short momments doesn't have any real importance to this battle nor should it factor in any "vs"debate unless this was a race or something.Further more, Diana has some of the best reflex/deflecting abilites in comics so to assume SS could even nail a single blast on her is a very gross underestimation of her skill, Besides that, has SS ever shown to incase a target moving with WW's level of speed...has he ever hit a target that is fast enough to blitz behind Amazo while still in his line of sight. Oh and this line just kills me:
"No matter how fast wonderwoman is running/flying Ss moves at least ( and im being conservative) 1000000 times faster. "
What matters is how they apply there speed in combat, WW has applied her speed for more then simple travel. She can also intiat strikes while propeling and maneuverering her body at superspeed as well, unless you have a speed example outside of travelling for SS then what basis is there to suggest he is faster. If anything the evidence strongly supports that she is his superior in speed as it relates to a combat situation...so really dude what are you basing ur opinion on cause clearly it isn't based of anything on-panel that we have seen.
Please stop saying things like, "it isnt based of anything that we have seen" 🙁 . U hardly read any comics so yeah its not surprising that YOU havent seen anything at all.
And are u kidding me? did u really ask what relevance blasting and moving and manoevring at high speed has in battle 🤨 More proof that u dont know what the hell u r talking about. SS has applied his speed for more than simple travel on quite a few occasions. Thats why i talked about his manoevrability in battle. 🙁 Now add that manoevrability in battle plus the ability to BLAST ( which if u didnt know is an attack) while in battle and what do u get? U can figure it out cant u? lol at the nonsense.
Further what do u mean by blitz behind Amazo while in his line of sight? what exactly is the definition of a blitz in this case? Cuz what wonderwoman did was rush and tie Amazo in her lasso. Depending on the definition u wud like to use, that is a BULLRUSH. IT certainly isnt a blitz in the sense of initiating multiple attacks. This is because being able to get behind amazo quickly involves her movement speed a category as i said in which SS is at least 100000 times superior. In regards to movement speed SS would be seeing wonderwoman as a statue so encasing her would be easy.
And oh yeah SS has speed is not only straight line travel speed. As i said he is very manoevrable on his board and can attack while manoevring at such high speeds.
Here he shows much more than straight line travel speed. Proof he can and does use his sheer movement speed in battle
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg
Here he shows great manoevrability and speed on his board in battle.
Once again, not STRAIGHT LINE TRAVEL SPEED
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7517/annihilationsilversurferi9.jpg
Another example of surfer combining moving speed and manoevrability in battle. Again not straight line travel speed.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/silversurfer.jpg
Really im tired of this. U obviously dont read any comics and so arguing with u is a big waste any sane persons time.
If everyone's fighting "in character" here's how I see things working out...
Superman
vs Orion= Supes
vs Thor= Thor
vs Wonder Woman= Supes
vs Beta Ray Bill= Supes
Supes= 3 wins
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Silver Surfer
vs Orion= Surfer
vs Thor= Surfer
vs Wonder Woman= Surfer
vs Beta Ray Bill= Surfer
Surfer= 4 wins
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Hal Jordan
vs Orion= Hal
vs Thor= Thor
vs Wonder Woman= Hal
vs Beta Ray Bill= Hal
Hal= 3 wins
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Sentry
vs Orion= Orion
vs Thor= Thor
vs Wonder Woman= WW
vs Beta Ray Bill= BRB
Sentry= 0 wins
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Victories for Team 1= 6/16
Victories for team 2= 10/16
And unless I'm doing the math wrong(possible since I'm high), that equals out to Team 2 winning 6/10.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Please stop saying things like, "it isnt based of anything that we have seen" 🙁 . U hardly read any comics so yeah its not surprising that [B]YOU havent seen anything at all.And are u kidding me? did u really ask what relevance blasting and moving and manoevring at high speed has in battle 🤨 More proof that u dont know what the hell u r talking about. SS has applied his speed for more than simple travel on quite a few occasions. Thats why i talked about his manoevrability in battle. 🙁 Now add that manoevrability in battle plus the ability to BLAST ( which if u didnt know is an attack) while in battle and what do u get? U can figure it out cant u? lol at the nonsense.
Further what do u mean by blitz behind Amazo while in his line of sight? what exactly is the definition of a blitz in this case? Cuz what wonderwoman did was rush and tie Amazo in her lasso. Depending on the definition u wud like to use, that is a BULLRUSH. IT certainly isnt a blitz in the sense of initiating multiple attacks. This is because being able to get behind amazo quickly involves her movement speed a category as i said in which SS is at least 100000 times superior. In regards to movement speed SS would be seeing wonderwoman as a statue so encasing her would be easy.
And oh yeah SS has speed is not only straight line travel speed. As i said he is very manoevrable on his board and can attack while manoevring at such high speeds.
Here he shows much more than straight line travel speed. Proof he can and does use his sheer movement speed in battle
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpgHere he shows great manoevrability and speed on his board in battle.
Once again, not STRAIGHT LINE TRAVEL SPEEDhttp://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7517/annihilationsilversurferi9.jpg
Another example of surfer combining moving speed and manoevrability in battle. Again not straight line travel speed.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/silversurfer.jpg
Really im tired of this. U obviously dont read any comics and so arguing with u is a big waste any sane persons time. [/B]
LMAO, this doesn't refute a single thing I have said...and yes I have seen all this a thousand times before. For one, those are not direct interactions agaisnt opponents minus the last one but umm...it's a simple confirmation that he can intiate blast at high speeds which I even acknowledged. How he applies his mobolity agaisn't opponent is what im looking for...and sure circling agaisnt a opponent with multiple blast is sweet no doubt, but that still only qualifies as"intiating at high speeds and traveling fast". Do you know what applying speed in a combat situation looks like, have ever seen quicksilver or flash and how they fight....thats the definiton of true combat superspeed which WW can do.
You're confusing travelling for combat speed once again, seriously it is pointless to debate because u dont know what combat speed is.
Originally posted by darthgoober
If everyone's fighting "in character" here's how I see things working out...Superman
vs Orion= Supes
vs Thor= Thor
vs Wonder Woman= Supes
vs Beta Ray Bill= SupesSupes= 3 wins
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Silver Surfervs Orion= Surfer
vs Thor= Surfer
vs Wonder Woman= Surfer
vs Beta Ray Bill= SurferSurfer= 4 wins
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Hal Jordanvs Orion= Hal
vs Thor= Thor
vs Wonder Woman= Hal
vs Beta Ray Bill= HalHal= 3 wins
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Sentryvs Orion= Orion
vs Thor= Thor
vs Wonder Woman= WW
vs Beta Ray Bill= BRBSentry= 0 wins
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Victories for Team 1= 6/16
Victories for team 2= 10/16And unless I'm doing the math wrong(possible since I'm high), that equals out to Team 2 winning 6/10.
Don't really see SS taking on Orion or even WW, but for the most part that is correct except supes beats Thor.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Don't really see SS taking on Orion or even WW, but for the most part that is correct except supes beats Thor.
Thor and Supes can go either way IMO. I only picked Thor because I didn't want to leave any fights with "even split or stalemate", Thor's got a significant upgrade since they last fought, and "in character" I don't see Supes blitzing anymore than he did last time. Plus the math is easier with 6 and 10 then it is 5 and 11...
Originally posted by The Great Galen
LMAO, this doesn't refute a single thing I have said...and yes I have seen all this a thousand times before. For one, those are not direct interactions agaisnt opponents minus the last one but umm...it's a simple confirmation that he can intiate blast at high speeds which I even acknowledged. How he applies his mobolity agaisn't opponent is what im looking for...and sure circling agaisnt a opponent with multiple blast is sweet no doubt, but that still only qualifies as"intiating at high speeds and traveling fast". Do you know what applying speed in a combat situation looks like, have ever seen quicksilver or flash and how they fight....thats the definiton of true combat superspeed which WW can do.You're confusing travelling for combat speed once again, seriously it is pointless to debate because u dont know what combat speed is.
Hmmmm...... lets see, so surfer FIGHTING and intiating multiple blasts while manoevring at superspeeds only qualifies as "initiating blasts while travelling fast" and is irrelevant in COMBAT situations.
Yet somehow when flash and quicksilver are FIGHTING and intiating punches manoevering at super speed its not just "initiating punches while running fast" but is instead "true" COMBAT speed?
LOL. and u say im confused?😱
Originally posted by comicfan11
Non canon.
Like WW loosing to Storm, LOBO loosing to Wolvie ( 😆 😆 😆 ), etc.So it doesn't show anything, except that the writer (Byrne I think) likes Marvel more.
The only canon crossover is JLA/Avengers.
I know all that.
And no, I don't think Bryne is biased at all. He's practically the authority on New Gods besides Kirby.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I know all that.And no, I don't think Bryne is biased at all. He's practically the authority on New Gods besides Kirby.
Byrne is the guy that wrote Genesis...
The authority besides the King would be Simonson IMO...
His Orion was better than anything Byrne wrote.
IMO Fact.
But anyway still non canon = bears no weight in a discussion (at all)
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Hmmmm...... lets see, so surfer FIGHTING and intiating multiple blasts while manoevring at superspeeds only qualifies as "initiating blasts while travelling fast" and is irrelevant in COMBAT situations.Yet somehow when flash and quicksilver are FIGHTING and intiating punches manoevering at super speed its not just "initiating punches while running fast" but is instead "true" COMBAT speed?
LOL. and u say im confused?😱
Diana once fought through a group of warriors at superspeed, she has displays of combat speed that are similar to flash/quicksilver....SS hasn't done anything like that.
