Orion,Thor,Wonder Woman,Beta Ray Bill vs. Superman,Silver Surfer, Hal Jordan, Sentry

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes... we all know that you have a ridiculously low opinion of Surfer's abilities, it goes without saying nowadays. Are you just putting your opinion out there, or do you actually want to discuss in the reasoning behind our calls on WW and Orion?

Thor and Supes can go either way IMO. I only picked Thor because I didn't want to leave any fights with "even split or stalemate", Thor's got a significant upgrade since they last fought, and "in character" I don't see Supes blitzing anymore than he did last time. Plus the math is easier with 6 and 10 then it is 5 and 11...

Well IMO Supes would use his speed, but that's another issue. I believe Orion would win because of being physically stronger,superior MA and combat speed...although SS has the versatility so it would be a close fight. I gave my reasons for why it think SS cant beat WW.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Diana once fought through a group of warriors at superspeed, she has displays of combat speed that are similar to flash/quicksilver....SS hasn't done anything like that.

lack of reading comprehension skills FTW.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well IMO Supes would use his speed, but that's another issue. I believe Orion would win because of being physically stronger,superior MA and combat speed...although SS has the versatility so it would be a close fight. I gave my reasons for why it think SS cant beat WW.

And WW would get absolutely wasted by Surfer. He's too fast and maneuverable for her to grab with her lasso given the starting distance between the two, and if she's tries to use the lasso it means her hands will be too occupied to deflect incoming attacks with her bracers.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Orion doesn't have combat speed on Surfer unless you have some proof to back the claim. And aside from Surfer beating Orion as far as pure versatility goes, Surfer also "fights smarter" and is the clear victor of the two IMO for that reason.

And WW would get absolutely wasted by Surfer. He's too fast and maneuverable for her to grab with her lasso given the starting distance between the two, and if she's tries to use the lasso it means her hands will be too occupied to deflect incoming attacks with her bracers.

Don't really know how SS fights smarter lol, if anything Norrin is the worst case of CIS u will find in comics today. Sur ehe has versatilit, if orion doesnt have the harness I could give it to SS....but orion has S beat in MA,physical strength and combat speed. Diana has the combat speed,MA advantage and yes...has better mobility. SS only really goes fast when traveling, really isnt any shinning examples of SS combat speed to be honest.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
lack of reading comprehension skills FTW.

Or knowing the difference between combat speed and travelling.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Don't really know how SS fights smarter lol, if anything Norrin is the worst case of CIS u will find in comics today. Sur ehe has versatilit, if orion doesnt have the harness I could give it to SS....but orion has S beat in MA,physical strength and combat speed. Diana has the combat speed,MA advantage and yes...has better mobility. SS only really goes fast when traveling, really isnt any shinning examples of SS combat speed to be honest.

Originally posted by comicfan11
But anyway still non canon = bears no weight in a discussion (at all)

You missed the point completely. Galen said he couldn't see SS beating Orion. So I showed him SS being Orion.

It was sarcasm. And a clever joke. But no, I had to go and explain it all because of you. Cheap bastard. Ruining my fun.

Yeah but then again what happens if Orion gets SS in a armbar....wait armbars are banned right....

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Yeah but then again what happens if Orion gets SS in a armbar...

He'd phase out of it and then blast Orion's head off with a high dose of Radion. 🙂

Originally posted by Enyalus
He'd phase out of it and then blast Orion's head off with a high dose of Radion. 🙂

What if Orion has a thanos mask?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
What if Orion has a thanos mask?

He'd say what Eros said...something like, "I've known a mad god. I've seen mad gods. And you? You are no mad god."

SS is not producing a element that is rare and exists only outside the normal dc creation,Orion not held back by pis would demolish jordan sentry or superman and there is no reason he would lose to surfer.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
SS is not producing a element that is rare and exists only outside the normal dc creation,Orion not held back by pis would demolish jordan sentry or superman and there is no reason he would lose to surfer.

Sure he would. Falls under KMC's basic knowledge rules. Plus Cosmic Awareness. The only reason Darkseid doesn't use it often is because it's a rare element. Doesn't mean it's particularly difficult to simulate.

Yeah it does, besides how long would it take is what I would like to know...and besides that cosmic awarness is overatted. On a unrelated note, 3:14 into this clipd is awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NysiCRw1NVU

Originally posted by Enyalus
Sure he would. Falls under KMC's basic knowledge rules. Plus Cosmic Awareness. The only reason Darkseid doesn't use it often is because it's a rare element. Doesn't mean it's particularly difficult to simulate.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Yes... because Radion is basic knowledge...

"Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows."

It wouldn't be?

Prove he can make an element that exists not only outside marvel but outside mainstream dc itself(hint you can't),and its not like orion can't make a shield from the astro force.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Prove he can make an element that exists not only outside marvel but outside mainstream dc itself(hint you can't).

🙄

knowing of something's existence and knowing what its composed of are two very different things...

not saying he can or can't make it, though...

Originally posted by Enyalus
"Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows."

It wouldn't be?