Thanos vs Juggernaut

Not to beat a dead horse here but, Juggernaut can only be KOed by mental attacks, Thanos has mental attacks, Juggernaut has a helmet to protect him from mental attacks, Thanos is strong enough to remove his helmet.

Im honestly lost how this is in such debate. Thanos is one of the few beings around Id give a near flawless win record against Juggernaut (Martian Manhunter and Despero being others, as Id say most any Super Physical Brick with mental powers would be).

IF Thanos simply punches or blasted Juggernaut, he would lose. If Thanos has no mental attacks, he would lose. But Thanos is WAY to smart to simply physically attack Cain, and WAY too tough physically to be taken out by him even close to soon.

Hope I dont get the wrath of WP on me again 🙂, I just feel that there is honestly no way for Cain to get a win record against Thanos UNLESS they are simply punching each other to death, and Thanos refuses to use his mental powers.

Originally posted by DTM
Not to beat a dead horse here but, Juggernaut can only be KOed by mental attacks, Thanos has mental attacks, Juggernaut has a helmet to protect him from mental attacks, Thanos is strong enough to remove his helmet.

Im honestly lost how this is in such debate. Thanos is one of the few beings around Id give a near flawless win record against Juggernaut (Martian Manhunter and Despero being others, as Id say most any Super Physical Brick with mental powers would be).

IF Thanos simply punches or blasted Juggernaut, he would lose. If Thanos has no mental attacks, he would lose. But Thanos is WAY to smart to simply physically attack Cain, and WAY too tough physically to be taken out by him even close to soon.

Hope I dont get the wrath of WP on me again 🙂, I just feel that there is honestly no way for Cain to get a win record against Thanos UNLESS they are simply punching each other to death, and Thanos refuses to use his mental powers.

No wrath, you just refuse to acknowledge the scenario of Cain using his FF. It would be harder to get the skull cap off. If Thanos was to take his helmet off which I already stated he would without FF up, then Cain wouldn't be so dumb to not summon his FF and keep him away from the skull cap.

And you just refuse to acknowledge that Juggernaut gets his helmet ripped or knocked off all the time, thinking it wont happen with Thanos here, or that in those matches Cain simply didnt put up his FF (what, he wanted to lose to the X-Men for the umpteenth time?) doesnt make much sense to me.

As for the skull cap, has Anyone seen him use that since the 80s, and right after he got punked by Nimrod? Juggs has been in Plenty of comics since then, has anyone seen him with the skull cap at all in the past 20 years of comics?

Originally posted by DTM
And you just refuse to acknowledge that Juggernaut gets his helmet ripped or knocked off all the time, thinking it wont happen with Thanos here, or that in those matches Cain simply didnt put up his FF (what, he wanted to lose to the X-Men for the umpteenth time?) doesnt make much sense to me.

As for the skull cap, has Anyone seen him use that since the 80s, and right after he got punked by Nimrod? Juggs has been in Plenty of comics since then, has anyone seen him with the skull cap at all in the past 20 years of comics?

When did I ever say that he couldn't get his helmet knocked off? For the record, Thanos can knock his helmet off if his FF isn't on. Thanos can't even physically touch his helmet if it is on. Those are my words.

The OP said that he gets his skull cap so the minute he sees that Thanos can knock his helmet off he will keep him away from his skull cap. How often does Thanos use TP anyway? Does he do it every fight?

A being as universally smart as Thanos will know of the Juggernaut, and knowing that he will know his only chance to win his remove helmet/mental blast. Its definately not Thanos' normal mode of attack, but as hell know Cain cannot be hurt by anything else he can do to him (see, Im giving Juggernaut Loads of praise here 🙂), Thanos will go for the psyhic strike and end this as quickly as possible.

Originally posted by DTM
A being as universally smart as Thanos will know of the Juggernaut, and knowing that he will know his only chance to win his remove helmet/mental blast. Its definately not Thanos' normal mode of attack, but as hell know Cain cannot be hurt by anything else he can do to him (see, Im giving Juggernaut Loads of praise here 🙂), Thanos will go for the psyhic strike and end this as quickly as possible.

Yet Cain is too dumb to know that this guy is trying to remove all of his telepathic defenses so maybe he is trying to use TP on him. "All I have left is a skull cap after he deliberately went for my helmet. Maybe I should protect my head against this guy." I guess Cain is too dumb to notice when someone is trying to go for a TP attack?

Yeah, he kinda is. 🙂 And hey, dont get on my case, I cant help if it the X-Men always manage to remove his helmet, and apparently Cain is still too dumb to instantly raise his FF from the start, essentially making him unbeatable by them (instead of losing to them almost every time). 🙂

Originally posted by DTM
Yeah, he kinda is. 🙂 And hey, dont get on my case, I cant help if it the X-Men always manage to remove his helmet, and apparently Cain is still too dumb to instantly raise his FF from the start, essentially making him unbeatable by them (instead of losing to them almost every time). 🙂

He doesn't always use it because he feels as if most people he fights is lower than him. He has Ko'd the X-Team plenty of times without it. He knows when to use it. This situation would be one of those times.

Hey, if you say so. I believe otherwise.

Originally posted by DTM
Hey, if you say so. I believe otherwise.

You believe that he hasn't beaten the X-Men or that he knows when to use it? He used it against Thor, a being that could take on the entire team of X-Men.

Yet Thor has no mental powers and is no real threat to him, while the X-Men always have one or more mentalist on their team (aka the only form of attack that can KO Cain). Yep, sounds like a real smarty to me, he does. 🙂

Originally posted by DTM
Yet Thor has no mental powers and is no real threat to him, while the X-Men always have one or more mentalist on their team (aka the only form of attack that can KO Cain). Yep, sounds like a real smarty to me, he does. 🙂

Whatever you say. A CISless and PISless Cain stomps the X-Men like he has done many times before. He has beaten beings like D'Spayre and Stranger without his FF. Also Thor has beaten him twice so I don't see where the no real threat isn't at. Cain has ko'd the likes of Emma Frost with thunderclaps, without PIS and CIS he would floor the X-Men.

Thor beat Juggernaut twice, when was this? I remember Thor using his hammer to remove Cains FF and beat him down a bit, when was the other time?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I'm not exactly sure on Thanos' stamina. I've never seen him show fatigue but Quan would be a better person to ask. If his stamina isn't limitless then he can last a hell of a long time and the two would probably fight to the point where they say screw it. Thanos develops a plan to escape the world and the two decide to find whoever put them in that situation and beat them senseless.

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That would be me... I put them in this situation lol, only thing here is that I would destroy the both of them easy, I'd just rip the comic up.
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oh and there is no escape from my indestructible and inescapable dimension, the only way out is if one of these guys drops.

The first time they fought he BFR'd him after some group of heroes saved him getting killed. All I'm saying is that it would make most sense for Cain to use his FF once he realizes that Thanos is going for the TP attack. Here at KMC we debate scenarios without CIS and PIS and it would be CIS for him not to use it.

Originally posted by Stoic
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That would be me... I put them in this situation lol, only thing here is that I would destroy the both of them easy, I'd just rip the comic up.
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oh and there is no escape from my indestrutible and inescapable dimension, the only way out is if one of these guys drops.

Damn your godly strength of paper rippage!

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Damn your godly strength of paper rippage!

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If Juggernaut is using a forcefield does that mean he's also going to be vulnerable otherwise? Because that's how his forcefield was portrayed in the two issues he had one.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
If Juggernaut is using a forcefield does that mean he's also going to be vulnerable otherwise? Because that's how his forcefield was portrayed in the two issues he had one.

No this is the current Juggernaut, and he has on his skull cap which is beneath his helmet.

Honestly though I don't recall Juggernaut being vulnerable to anything other than psi assault (which I think is Thanos' best shot at this) and the possibility of getting put down be physical means.... not too sure if Thanos possesses that kind of might though.

Originally posted by DTM
And you just refuse to acknowledge that Juggernaut gets his helmet ripped or knocked off all the time, thinking it wont happen with Thanos here, or that in those matches Cain simply didnt put up his FF (what, he wanted to lose to the X-Men for the umpteenth time?) doesnt make much sense to me.

As for the skull cap, has Anyone seen him use that since the 80s, and right after he got punked by Nimrod? Juggs has been in Plenty of comics since then, has anyone seen him with the skull cap at all in the past 20 years of comics?

Most writers don't know of Cains force field or they forget about it. Xavier has said that Cain doesn't know how to fully use his powers yet. His character seems to get in a rage every now and then and maybe he just forgets to use it. Other than that people seem to take characters for real and ask "Why didn't THEY do this", when they should be asking "why did the story call for this, or why did the writer do that?"

He had a Skull cap on in the Generation-X comic in the 90's before he was depowered.