Originally posted by DTM
So Professor Hulk can knock the wind out of Juggernaut with a sngle gut shot, eh? Sure doesnt sound like COMPLETELY INVULNERABLE to me (especially since Prof isn the strongest form of the Hulk there is). 🙂
Yeah and War Hulk and WWH couldn't even do that. So I guess that means that P. Hulk is stronger than both of them and by that Cain KO'd the strongest version of Hulk right? 🙂
Eh, WWH seemed to be holding his own against Classic Juggs just fine. He wasnt gaining ground, but wasnt losing it either (and Thanos here is as least as strong as WWH, tougher, faster, a better fighter, more smarter, and has multiple ranged attack options - one of them being Cains main weakness, mental). 🙂
Originally posted by DTM
So Professor Hulk can knock the wind out of Juggernaut with a sngle gut shot, eh? Sure doesnt sound like COMPLETELY INVULNERABLE to me (especially since Prof isn the strongest form of the Hulk there is). 🙂
Knocking the wind out of someone isn't always harmful. For one Juggs was caught off guard and wasn't expecting it at all. It is also cause and effect. Cain wasn't expecting it and he was hit in the stomach. This caused the air to be forced out of his lungs. He didn't seem hurt, as he he was lifted off the ground and fell back. There is one panel of him getting up.
Originally posted by DTM
Eh, WWH seemed to be holding his own against Classic Juggs just fine. He wasnt gaining ground, but wasnt losing it either.
Judging by the art, it seemed that WWH was starting to get pushed back from a standstill where they had locked arms before.
Originally posted by DTM
Eh, WWH seemed to be holding his own against Classic Juggs just fine. He wasnt gaining ground, but wasnt losing it either (and Thanos here is as least as strong as WWH, tougher, faster, a better fighter, more smarter, and has multiple ranged attack options - one of them being Cains main weakness, mental). 🙂
WWH was getting pushed back and didn't even hurt Cain.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Knocking the wind out of someone isn't always harmful. For one Juggs was caught off guard and wasn't expecting it at all. It is also cause and effect. Cain wasn't expecting it and he was hit in the stomach. This caused the air to be forced out of his lungs. He didn't seem hurt, as he he was lifted off the ground and fell back. There is one panel of him getting up.
There is no panel of Juggs getting back up. I know because I have the comic in my hand. That being said, knowing what I know now, Cain shouldn't have been hurt as he is totally invulnerable to physical force. Hulk was in his own book though (Hulk #404) so Peter David wanted to give him 1 good showing against Cain, especially after the kicking he gave Bruce in #402.
Despite what people say, Professor Hulk isn't the weakest incarnation of Hulk-Grey Hulk is.
Originally posted by BUSTER1
There is no panel of Juggs getting back up. I know because I have the comic in my hand. That being said, knowing what I know now, Cain shouldn't have been hurt as he is totally invulnerable to physical force. Hulk was in his own book though (Hulk #404) so Peter David wanted to give him 1 good showing against Cain, especially after the kicking he gave Bruce in #402.
Despite what people say, Professor Hulk isn't the weakest incarnation of Hulk-Grey Hulk is.
You seriously think Fixit is the weakest? I don't know much about those two incarnations but I always thought Fixit was stronger. What puts P. Hulk over him?
Edit: I hope that didn't sound rude. I wasn't trying to come off that way.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You seriously think Fixit is the weakest? I don't know much about those two incarnations but I always thought Fixit was stronger. What puts P. Hulk over him?Edit: I hope that didn't sound rude. I wasn't trying to come off that way.
Merged/Prof starts out at 100tons strength, while Fixit starts at 70-75 tons. When Banner's 3 personalities (Banner, Savage and Fixit) 1st merged,to become Professor he had no problem with getting angrier and stronger-so he had the potential for limitless strength, just like all the other incarnations. After his conflict with the Maestro, Banner wanted to determined to avoid becoming him. Soon after Hulk and the PAntheon sought out their former leader, Agamemnon, and this resulted in Hulk and Aggy's apparent death, in Asgard. This resulted in them being transported to Asgard's version of hell, where the the Hulk fought Hela's (Asgardian goddess of death)hordes, for several days. Hulk remarked, that he felt his control of his anger slipping. They both survied this but soon after, Betty Banner (Hulk's wife) was badly injured. Thinking her dead, Bruce felt an uncontrollable anger bursting within him. Fearful that, with the loss of Betty, his uncontrolled fury would lead him to become the Maestro, Bruce' mind created a failsafe, causing him to physically become human, when enraged (Savage Banner)This was only temporary. but a lot of people mistakingly believe that Merged Hulk was always prone to change to Savage Banner when he became too enraged- and so wrongly thought that Merged/Prof was the weakest Hulk, which he wasn't
Originally posted by BUSTER1
There is no panel of Juggs getting back up. I know because I have the comic in my hand. That being said, knowing what I know now, Cain shouldn't have been hurt as he is totally invulnerable to physical force. Hulk was in his own book though (Hulk #404) so Peter David wanted to give him 1 good showing against Cain, especially after the kicking he gave Bruce in #402.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
That last panel where it looks like Juggernaut is getting up and Hulk is screaming, "Get out of my Head". What else would he be doing?
Cain is still on both knees holding his stomach with his right hand, whilst supporting himself with his left, like someone who is winded trying to get their breath back BEFORE they can start getting up. As I stated in my preivious post, though, Juggy should have withstood Hulk's punches, with no damage sustained.
Anyway against Thanos, I reckon its a stalemate as Cain is indestructable with out his FF. And with it on he can't be touched-so Thanos won't be able to remove his helmet and mind rape him
Originally posted by BUSTER1
Cain is still on both knees holding his stomach with his right hand, whilst supporting himself with his left, like someone who is winded trying to get their breath back BEFORE they can start getting up. As I stated in my previous post, though, Juggy should have withstood Hulk's punches, with no damage sustained.
Anyway against Thanos, I reckon its a stalemate as Cain is indestructible with out his FF. And with it on he can't be touched-so Thanos won't be able to remove his helmet and mind rape him
You really can't see his right hand, and yeah it is a ridiculous moment that shouldn't have happened. It was there to just further the story.
Originally posted by Stoic
No this is the current Juggernaut, and he has on his skull cap which is beneath his helmet.Honestly though I don't recall Juggernaut being vulnerable to anything other than psi assault (which I think is Thanos' best shot at this) and the possibility of getting put down be physical means.... not too sure if Thanos possesses that kind of might though.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Most writers don't know of Cains force field or they forget about it.
Essentially what people do here is take that appearance where Juggernaut had an incredibly durable forcefield with the stipulation that he is weak without it and apply it to every other appearance where he was no forcefield and is just normally durable. Now suddenly he is physically durable and has a forcefield in spite of the forcefield appearances saying otherwise.
Originally posted by DTMI didn't realise PIS was a viable debating tactic, considering Juggernaut was not hindered in the slightest by blows from WWH, in fact it was WWH with his head being stomped in the dirt.
So Professor Hulk can knock the wind out of Juggernaut with a sngle gut shot, eh? Sure doesnt sound like COMPLETELY INVULNERABLE to me (especially since Prof isn the strongest form of the Hulk there is). 🙂