Sephiroth vs. Ultimecia

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Show me.

Sephiroths Will has stopped\held holy, brought him back to life twice, created several beings, taken over the lifestream, held people in place, knocked people around, tortured people.

No that just shows how weak TC is against thought\mind power. Very.

I was going to mention that earlier but I read it 2 years back, didn't remember where that's why I never mentioned it before... haermm
but to put it simply, they made it to Ultimecia by willpower and focusing on each other and survived the TC by doing so as well and when someone is KO'd they can no longer focus for their self and are absorbed

And Friendship/love has survived universal destruction

Sephiroth's will is based on the opposite of what the FF8 party uses, as long as he continues being a hater and people remember him, he can still exist in the life stream.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
I was going to mention that earlier but I read it 2 years back, didn't remember where that's why I never mentioned it before... haermm

Haha fair enough, I hope you can understand I must disregard it until you find out where.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
but to put it simply, they made it to Ultimecia by willpower and focusing on each other and survived the TC by doing so as well and when someone is KO'd they can no longer focus for their self and are absorbed

Yes, so basic mind ability.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
And Friendship/love has survived universal destruction

I think of it more as: Time Compression is powerful, unless the thing it is compressing has any kind of thought power. It didn't survive universal destruction, it just...kind of made TC not work on them while they all thought about eachother.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
Sephiroth's will is based on the opposite of what the FF8 party uses, as long as he continues being a hater and people remember him, he can still exist in the life stream.

Not really, his will is based on the fact that his willpower is insanely strong. As long as people remember him, there will always be memories that he can find of himself in the lifestream.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Great. But what DID she absorb? Some tiny glowy things. Yes we know she transformed to absorb everything and was in the process of doing it. Too bad it takes her time to do it and it is nullified by some simple thoughts.

Unfortunately dissappearing is not absorbing, as you can see by those tiny glowy things she absorbs, they go to her and get absorbed not suddenly dissappear. 🙄

"Ultimecia, transformed to absorb all time and space. Absorbing all existence as we speak."

I don't see the 'tiny glowly things' rant line there though. Absorbing means absorbing last I checked.

When things gets... You know, absorbed, they usually... Disappears.

You fail. 🙂

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Haha fair enough, I hope you can understand I must disregard it until you find out where.

Yes, so basic mind ability.

I think of it more as: Time Compression is powerful, unless the thing it is compressing has any kind of thought power. It didn't survive universal destruction, it just...kind of made TC not work on them while they all thought about eachother.

Not really, his will is based on the fact that his willpower is insanely strong. As long as people remember him, there will always be memories that he can find of himself in the lifestream.

Truly I would too, even though I know for a fact I've seen it.

Actually that one is well stated that his focus on his hatred of Cloud help keeps his individuality, so yes basically the same as the TC process, FF8 remembered each other and focused on their friendship, Sephiroth hated Cloud to keep his individuality in the life stream and was able to remain as long as he is remembered.

I believe it would make sense for everything she began to absorb to shrink as it came near her, if they showed her absorbing full planets then she would've been one extremely massive character.

Why do people keep quoting Square Enix? Alll Square Enix offer are overrated fan services to please the VII fanboys/girls. I say nothing by Square Enix counts; only what's from the original games.

Oh, and Ultimecia owns. In fact there are a lot of Final Fantasy and Square characters that are stronger than Sephiroth.

Exdeath aborsbs the Universe into the void, and cannot die until all has faded from existance.

Cloud of Darkness would destroy two dimensions (darkness and light).

Chaos/Garland is the God of time or something (haven't played all of I yet).

The Time Devourer from Chrono Cross devours all of space and time (much like Ultimecia) across several dimentional panes.

Dude, You have to put it into this perspective Ultimecia is overrated anyway. 3 forms, with like more than 2 mil health per. pffft.
Beating the game is nearly impossible if you dont have everything maxed anyway. FF8 was such a sketchy game.

I personally liked it but it was sketchy and all around dull.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
"Ultimecia, transformed to absorb all time and space. Absorbing all existence as we speak."

I don't see the 'tiny glowly things' rant line there though. Absorbing means absorbing last I checked.

And it doesn't say absorbed, therefore it takes 'time' to absorb things.

The orbs of light are important because that is the only thing we see her absorb.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
When things gets... You know, absorbed, they usually... Disappears.

You fail. 🙂

But then what is happening with the orbs of lights that she is absorbing? They don't just dissapear. Right? Inconsitency between your assertions and what is shown in game is baaad.

Absorbing != Absorbed.

If Time Compression can be stopped by SIMPLE thoughts (Think about friends) than POWERFUL thoughts can stop it as well (at least to the person doing the thoughts). Simples.

I'm pretty sure those orbs were suns btw.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm pretty sure those orbs were suns btw.

Sun usually refers to our sun, in our solar system.

Stars are what you would call them if you were so inclined. But look at the size, can they possibly be stars?

Reference:
Ultimecia Orbs
Star Reference

I had a think and I believe I need to add some clarification to my above post at this point:

Originally posted by K1ll3r
But then what is happening with the orbs of lights that she is absorbing? They don't just dissapear. Right?

This means, if Ultimecia absorbed as you say, then everything would have immediately disappeared. This is clearly not what happens as things glide towards Ultimecia until being touched and absorbed into her.

I fail to see the concept of having the power to absorb time and space and never do it. I fail to see the concept of she absorbing all existence but in reality existence are light orbs.

But it's fine, if those somehow make sense for you. You have it.

Ultimecia wins. Yay.

Stars are what you would call them if you were so inclined. But look at the size, can they possibly be stars?

I think thats why they call it Time Compression. All of existence is being compressed into a single being, Ultimecia, stars included.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
This means, if Ultimecia absorbed as you say, then everything would have immediately disappeared. This is clearly not what happens as things glide towards Ultimecia until being touched and absorbed into her.

Absorption is never immediate.

A sponge absorbs. If I were to put it in a puddle, would the puddle immediately disappear?

After Ultimecia enters her final form, both the planet and everything else as far as we can see disappears in a matter of seconds.

That is sufficient to kill Sephiroth.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I fail to see the concept of having the power to absorb time and space and never do it. I fail to see the concept of she absorbing all existence but in reality existence are light orbs.

I don't think that she never did it, what I have been trying to get you to see is that the only thing we see her absorb are the light orbs.

Remember Time Compression.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I think thats why they call it Time [b]Compression. All of existence is being compressed into a single being, Ultimecia, stars included. [/B]

Ooh, so close! Time Compression doesn't compress into a single being.

"Time Compression is the concept of condensing all of time and space into a single moment"

Originally posted by NemeBro
Only that is not true at all.

Absorption is never immediate.

A sponge absorbs. If I were to put it in a puddle, would the puddle immediately disappear?

Yeah, that's what I was saying. Thanks for backing me up buddy.

Originally posted by NemeBro
After Ultimecia enters her final form, both the planet and everything else as far as we can see disappears in a matter of seconds.

That is sufficient to kill Sephiroth.

Ha! Lets examine that, for a moment:

When we see her absorbing the light orbs they absorb around to her bottom half. This means the planet would have to go through Squall to get absorbed by her.

It's more likey that was caused by Time Compression.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Ultimecia wins. Yay.

I respectfully disagree.

Ooh, so close! Time Compression doesn't compress into a single being.

"Time Compression is the concept of condensing all of time and space into a single moment"

What is the difference? 😬 Ultimecia places herself at the center of that moment and assimilates it. In the end all of existence is absorbed into her body.

And unles you can offer an alternative to what the 'stars' are then you have no argument. The universe is not made of 'light orbs'.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
I don't think that she never did it, what I have been trying to get you to see is that the only thing we see her absorb are the light orbs.

She can. So I don't know why she wouldn't do it in a fight.
Yeah, time, space as well as all the existence in the universe are light orbs.

LOL. 😂

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Yeah, that's what I was saying. Thanks for backing me up buddy.

Ha! Lets examine that, for a moment:

When we see her absorbing the light orbs they absorb around to her bottom half. This means the planet would have to go through Squall to get absorbed by her.

It's more likey that was caused by Time Compression.

You have not yet earned the right to use condescending exclamations such as "Ha!"

Stop calling them light orbs, since you could technically define a star as a "light orb." Go through Squall? How's about this for something you did not consider, since the planet is so small, it was absorbed instantly, unlike the rest of the universe which is further away from Ultimecia?

To be honest, this is stupid. It is directly stated she is absorbing all of time and space, and we can clearly see that in the span of few seconds, as far as the eye can see, there is nothing. Occam's Razor.

Originally posted by Nephthys
What is the difference? 😬 Ultimecia places herself at the center of that moment and assimilates it. In the end all of existence is absorbed into her body.

Why do you say absorbed?

Originally posted by Nephthys
And unles you can offer an alternative to what the 'stars' are then you have no argument. The universe is not made of 'light orbs'.

Time Compressed universe is not made of stars. If they are stars then you would have to go ahead and prove that a single one of them were absorbed.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
She can. So I don't know why she wouldn't do it in a fight.
Yeah, time, space as well as all the existence in the universe are light orbs.

LOL. 😂

Why would Time Compression warp and deform everything else except stars? It seems to me those light orbs are the only things there, therefore Time Compression compresses all the universe and time into light orbs! Not 'compresses everything into nothing then leaves stars for no reason'.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I'm not your buddy, friend.

Well, I consider you my friend. 🙁

Originally posted by NemeBro
You have not yet earned the right to use condescending exclamations such as "Ha!"

Too bad I don't need to earn the right to do that.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Stop calling them light orbs, since you could technically define a star as a "light orb." Go through Squall? How's about this for something you did not consider, since the planet is so small, it was absorbed instantly, unlike the rest of the universe which is further away from Ultimecia?

I'll call them what I want. How about that is highly unlikely because she wasn't stated to be absorbing anything until after she transformed (After the instant dissappearing) should we also point out that your 'stars' don't appear until after she transforms.

Originally posted by NemeBro
To be honest, this is stupid. It is directly stated she is absorbing all of time and space, and we can clearly see that in the span of few seconds, as far as the eye can see, there is nothing. Occam's Razor.

Not at that point it wasn't stated anything.

Why do you say absorbed?

Because her plan is to absorb all of space and time with Time Compression and thus become an omnipotent god. This is what we see, all of time and space being compressed into a single point located inside of her. Have you actually played the game?

Time Compressed universe is not made of stars. If they are stars then you would have to go ahead and prove that a single one of them were absorbed.

I wasn't aware that the spell time compression created a completely new universe without stars in it.

Maybe because it doesn't. 😐

It compresses the already existing universe together. Hence why the final dungeon is Ultimecia's castle from the future.

Plus if Ultimecia is Scanned during the final battle with her:

"Ultimecia, transformed to absorb all time and space. Absorbing all existence as we speak."

/discussion