Originally posted by RaoulI think we should rule speed and the godblast out to make it fair. A Thor fan could argue godblast then. This could turn into a cbr type of debate.
of course, i'd never say they weren't...supes has used speed when he's come up against foes he knows he can't punch out. if he's having trouble with thor, he's bound to try it sooner or later imo...
Originally posted by quanchi112
Why dont you try countering for once? These laughing smilies and insults are pathetic. Counter or hush up.
I already did. Plenty of times. I showed you tons and tons of evidence where Superman was shown to counter/beat magic easily. You seemed to have forgotten rather quickly. Your "counter" to my list of feats was akin to saying something like "nUh-Uh!!! hE's sTIll weAk ta maGIcc!!!1"
You rely on an old misconception with absolutely no proof to back it up.
In essence, starting a "debate" with you (no one in his right mind would even call it that when you're involved) is like arguing with a deaf 3 year old child with Down's Syndrome.
A waste of time.
Originally posted by batdude123When did I say any magic user can beat Superman just because they have magic at their disposal? When?
I already did. Plenty of times. I showed you tons and tons of evidence where Superman was shown to counter/beat magic easily. You seemed to have forgotten rather quickly. Your "counter" to my list of feats was akin to saying something like "nUh-Uh!!! hE's sTIll weAk ta maGIcc!!!1"You rely on an old misconception with absolutely no proof to back it up.
In essence, starting a "debate" with you (no one in his right mind would even call it that when you're involved) is like arguing with a deaf 3 year old child with Down's Syndrome.
A waste of time.
It is a disadvantage though. Thats my point. Is Black Adam invulnerable...yes. Can he hit as hard as Superman....yes. So,really when a fight is this close and you have someone who hits harder on average than Superman because he doesnt hold back and will just straight up kill an enemy and couple that with magic based attacks then I give him the win based off that.
Thor has magic going for him as well and is a lot more powerful. These two characters imo beat Superman 6 out of ten times. So,next time before you throw at your weak insults pay attention to what i actually said and dont try to twist it to make yourself feel better because you disagree with me and dont even actually understand what I meant in the first place.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
When did I say any magic user can beat Superman just because they have magic at their disposal? When?It is a disadvantage though. Thats my point. Is Black Adam invulnerable...yes. Can he hit as hard as Superman....yes. So,really when a fight is this close and you have someone who hits harder on average than Superman because he doesnt hold back and will just straight up kill an enemy and couple that with magic based attacks then I give him the win based off that.
Thor has magic going for him as well and is a lot more powerful. These two characters imo beat Superman 6 out of ten times. So,next time before you throw at your weak insults pay attention to what i actually said and dont try to twist it to make yourself feel better because you disagree with me and dont even actually understand what I meant in the first place.
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When you say something like this…
Originally posted by quanchi112
Magic will spell doom for Supes
Of course I’m going to call you out on your bullshit. Awhile ago I even asked you for evidence as to the level of Superman’s “weakness” to magic. You failed to give any, and for that matter, I gave plenty of examples showcasing Superman’s adept ability to fight/counter magic. I even told you Zatanna trained Superman in the ways of mysticism in order for him to become stronger against it. This was proven when Avalon’s magical attacks were easily shrugged off and countered.
Despite this, you continue to adhere to a misconception that hasn’t been prevalent since the Pre-Crisis days. So keep ignoring proof while you yourself provide none. It really makes no difference to me; I just think the asinine double standards are hilarious.
Black Adam and Superman have already fought, ending with BA’s concession. And before you go on about how Black Adam didn’t want to fight, etc., he waited until Superman got serious in order to back out of the fight. It’s not exactly in Black Adam’s nature to bail on a fight before it’s finished, regardless of whether he wanted to be in it or not. So methinks something told BA that he couldn’t contend with a Superman going all out.
Btw, if in the future you’d want to have a battle zone match with me representing Superman and you representing Classic Thor… bring it.
Originally posted by batdude123Why are you still posting this?
In any case, it's a little funny how he continues a brawl with Superman and only backs out when Supes steps it up a notch. It isn't like Adam to give up like that.
I already edited out my answer to this... on account that I know Quan would use what I said, and run to ****ing France with it.
Originally posted by Raoul
you don't believe speed and strength are a factor?it was just an example, thats all, to illustrate that 'more powerful' needs to be clarified or else its just a vague term...
I believe strength is a factor but as i said before its not like compareing a ferrari to a pinto. they are all physically very strong but supes .yes is the strongest and yes supes is the fastest.
The diffrence is when compareing well lets say BA to supes, Supes cannot blitz BA becasue BA is to fast to be blitzed. Now say you compare Zoom to ba. Well ya he could blitz ba easy there is a world of diffrence between the 2. The diffrence between zoom and ba is huge, when it comes to speed. The diffrence between supes and ba is NOT. Same with strength..
Supes has higher stats then ba and cap and alwasy will.
But he still remains a peer not their superior.
Again i never said strength is not a factor. Or speed for that matter.
Just some people use thoses 2 stats, strength and speed and they asume its the deciding factor in every fight. And it is not.
Cap,BA BRB and thor are all capeable of defeating superman. And vis versa.
thors team for the win especially with the odin force. Supes team has way to many weaknesses.
Originally posted by batdude123
In any case, it's a little funny how he continues a brawl with Superman and only backs out when Supes steps it up a notch. It isn't like Adam to give up like that.
DUDE you are talking like supes is a real person.
Just releax man.
Its all fiction. Superman is as powerful as the writers make him out to be.
And supes will always Be D.C's flagship boy.
BA,captian marvel,thor,superman, orion etc...........
They are all make believe, i sometimes think people forget that.
And that BA superman fight you are refering to was a excellent fight i hope D.C. brings it on again.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think we should rule speed and the godblast out to make it fair. A Thor fan could argue godblast then. This could turn into a cbr type of debate.
so take out speed and the godblast and what are you left with? clark winning the majority, imo...
Originally posted by quanchi112
Why dont you try countering for once? These laughing smilies and insults are pathetic. Counter or hush up.
in fairness, it was a dumb thing to say, tbh...
Originally posted by zeel
Just some people use thoses 2 stats, strength and speed and they asume its the deciding factor in every fight. And it is not.
ah, ok, and no, i wouldn't say it is the deciding factor a lot of the time, unless one person is at a disadvantage...
Originally posted by DTM
Im going with Team 2, as I think Gladiator and Hal are the two weakest here (and thats saying ALOT for the remaining guys, as those two are Uber Powerful). Now if we replaced Hal or Gladdie with Surfer, not youve got a much closer match up. 🙂
Silly why people Glads is one of the weakest ones... I do agree Replacing Hal With SS could guarantee 10/10. But that would be a stomp.
But still what makes you think Glads is a weak link?
Originally posted by Lord Feron
Alright I respect your opinion but I think almost the opposite of you. I actually think Glads is one of the strongest on either side of the fight. Ahh well. 😎
I like Gladiator a lot, but I think a standard version of him is probably less powerful than Superman or Orion.
Originally posted by batdude123You gave examples of him defeating an opponent to brought magic to the table. I never said that magic always defeats him. In this scenario these two characters beat him imo. He doesnt overcome the magic here.
When you say something like this…Of course I’m going to call you out on your bullshit. Awhile ago I even asked you for evidence as to the level of Superman’s “weakness” to magic. You failed to give any, and for that matter, I gave plenty of examples showcasing Superman’s adept ability to fight/counter magic. I even told you Zatanna trained Superman in the ways of mysticism in order for him to become stronger against it. This was proven when Avalon’s magical attacks were easily shrugged off and countered.
Despite this, you continue to adhere to a misconception that hasn’t been prevalent since the Pre-Crisis days. So keep ignoring proof while you yourself provide none. It really makes no difference to me; I just think the asinine double standards are hilarious.
Black Adam and Superman have already fought, ending with BA’s concession. And before you go on about how Black Adam didn’t want to fight, etc., he waited until Superman got serious in order to back out of the fight. It’s not exactly in Black Adam’s nature to bail on a fight before it’s finished, regardless of whether he wanted to be in it or not. So methinks something told BA that he couldn’t contend with a Superman going all out.
Btw, if in the future you’d want to have a battle zone match with me representing Superman and you representing Classic Thor… bring it.
Black Adam wasnt there to put him down. They looked pretty dead on even if you ask me. So,nowhere in this fight do you see Clark having an edge on him. Adam calmed him down in the end which is kinda funny considering the jerk BA can and has been in the past.
If you think this constitutes as proof of Ba REALIZING HE CANT CONTEND WITH SUPERMAN i THINK YOU ARE WAY OFF BASE HERE.
Ill be reading some more comics in january. Once I fin dsome majestic comics though I need to face off against Smurph. It wouldnt be fair to go up against you when Ive already promised him. Although,Im chomping at the bit to do this matchup.
Why does dc acknowledge Superman's weakness against magic in the mk game? Is this pc Superman?