League of Champions Semi-Finals: #2 Digi Vs. #3 Leo/Scoob
Semi-finals Round: Planet Arrakis [from the film Dune]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrakis
Duration: Match begins Wednesday, December 3rd. For the playoffs matches will end when participants exhaust their post quotas/state they are finished debating.
#2 Digi Vs. #3 Leo/Scoob
Judges: Badabing, Citizen V, Symmetric Chaos, Darthgoober, Illadelph
Digi's Opening Post (Part 1 of 2)
Batman, well, he has a plan. If he DOESN'T have a plan, well, he already planned for it.
-long pig
Digi's Writeup (Week 7?)
My Team
- Death's Head II (Minion) (now Minion Prime)
- Havok
- Black Knight
- Firehawk
- Moon Knight
- Judomaster
No audio writeup this week. The written portion is my longest yet, in two parts, so I won't bore you with an audio synopsis. I will, however, try to find something suitably epic for you all to listen to if I make it to the finals.
Written Portion
Prep
Location: Moon Knight's Base:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/Moon_Knight_005_v5_011_012.jpg
Amalgamations:
Minion + Black Knight + Judomaster
Havok + Firehawk
Moon Knight
Moon Knight collects equipment for use in the match. To Minion he gives his multi-function adamantium truncheon and a few adamantium crescent darts. He then gets in the Angelwing, his hover-plane, and will be piloting it into battle.
The Overview
Scoob and Leo. My friends, and now briefly my enemies. We should be in the finals facing each other gents. Anything less seems less epic than it should be. But alas.
They are clearly taking a tech approach. Kang, Techno, Forge. Perfect. Bring it on, because I doubt they realize it, but I have access to some powerful anti-metal weaponry. More on this later. But even besides that, Minion is literally going to be untouchable, because thanks to my upgrading him and amalgamating him, he's impervious to nearly any attack in the tourney. Havok is a sh*t-ton of destruction (amped, to boot), and Moon Knight provides some fun counters to their plans. But on with it.
Base Minion
For new judges: Minion can assimilate people into his consciousness. Their thoughts, experiences, personalities, skills, instincts, etc. As per the information retention rule in the tourney, I keep all of this throughout the tournament. I've been using it very well.
For the moment I'm not even going to assume that I have the Marvel's power inside Minion. The recent controversy has thrown the issue into confusion. The ironic part is, delph's ruling changed nothing in terms of the match and the powers I have access to. But it requires a more lengthy explanation than a writeup allows for. My first or second post will deal with it in full. For now, I have much more than enough power to defeat the other team anyway.
The following are completely non-controversial, 100% accepted minds and skills that Minion has added to his own.
A full rundown of his powers (sans Marvels):
DHII's powers: His own, Midnighter, Rose Tattoo
Skill: Karate Kid, Taskmaster, Black Panther, Judomaster, Oracle
Additional Minds (no real skill/power here, but useful for knowledge): Storm, Joker, Sabertooth, Shrinking Violet, Starfire, Jean Grey, Electro, Abomination, Lex Luthor, Emma Frost, Miss Martian
I highlighted Midnighter, Karate Kid, and Storm for a reason.
Minion Himself: I don’t like the recent myth that has popped up that he's just a brick. Very untrue.
First, his healing, which means almost any damage they do to me means nothing:
http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=die1hh0.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=die2bd8.jpg
Can hack tech-based shielding:
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3zz4.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p4su1.jpg
And if he's a brick, he’s got a nigh-adamantium blade to use his brick-ness with:
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/DarkGuard0207.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/DarkGuard0208.jpg
And also an impressive energy output:
http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mys2kf2.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mys3dy3.jpg
...which can act as a plasma or photon canon.
There's more, but that will get us started.
Storm: Minion has over 100 personalities inside of him, some of them cybernetic, and has displayed immunity to telepathic attacks in the past, so I should already be guarded against tp. But one of the few judge votes against me was due to this, however. So, Storm has unbelievable natural telepathic resistance. Part of it is due to her electrical powers, which I don't have. But she's also naturally resistant to telepaths, to an absurd degree. If they use tp against me, I have legions of scans to prove myself, both with Storm and Minion. Black Knight also helps on this front. More on him later.
Karate Kid:
Combine Cl. 100 punches that can vaporize brick:
http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh7il3.jpg
With this speed:
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kk4by1.jpg
Combine this strength:
http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gold4yy9.jpg
With this mind-numbing level of control:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Untitled-Scanned-13.jpg
Combine the ability to shatter diamond and inerton (DC’s adamantium) at base human levels:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure_365-16.jpg
and
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/LSuperboyLSH231-28.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/LSuperboyLSH231-30.jpg
With weaponry that’s as durable as adamantium:
http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=41mh1.jpg
And the ability to detect weak points in any person or structure:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/titanslsh4-20.jpg
You're looking at a character that could shatter buildings with a punch. Who could level mountains with a few well-placed strikes. And who could break every bone in my enemy's bodies in less than a second.
MN'er:
Similarly, take all of that from up there, then realize that he'll take the absolute best plan of action each and every time, because MNer can run millions of combat scenarios every second to produce the optimal strategy.
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n2jc0.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n3hb2.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n4ef1.jpg
or
http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m7yr2.jpg
http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m8ah7.jpg
Of course those are just examples. Needless to say, mix that calculative ability with KK's skills and you have someone who is more deadly than I know how to describe.
Adding to Minion
Judomaster. She has an aversion field that prevents her from being hit directly.
Explanation:
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=judo1qc9.jpg
http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=judo2tq5.jpg
In action:
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=judo6hl3.jpg
About the only thing that can harm her, as the second scan showed, are wide-range energy arcs, or similar attacks that aren't directed specifically at her.
But I also amalgamated him with Black Knight (Avalon Equipment). Which can, among other things, absorb ridiculous amounts of energy and send it back at its user:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/2b49dd5d.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/390808d5.jpg
...and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. I'll post more as needed.
So let's do a quick tally here. Minion, amalgamated with Black Knight and Judomaster, and possessing as many skills as he does, is:
A. The best martial artist in all of comicdom (KK) by a wide margin
B. Possessed of Class 100 strength to compliment those skills, with an adamantium-level blade arm to kill them with.
C. Can calculate the optimal course of attack, calculating millions of combat scenarios a second, to use all of my powers more efficiently than I can put into words.
D. Cannot be hit directly due to Judomaster's aversion field.
E. Is immune to telepaths, and can even absorb their energy.
F. Can absorb any energy they send at me, and redirect it back at them.
G. If they ever manage to figure out a way to hurt me, Minion can heal from it instantly.
Minion literally can't be touched or harmed. Not a figure of speech. He's practically indestructible at this point. I really look forward to seeing what Charlotte tries against me. Because I can't for the life of me figure out how I'd even hurt Minion, let alone kill him.
Digi's Opening Post (Part 2 of 2)
Part 2
Equipment
You thought I was done with Minion, eh? No, I like building my team wreckers to be able to account for any eventuality.
You'll remember I mentioned Moon Knight's equipment in prep. He's keeping most of it for himself, but Minion gets MK's multi-function adamantium truncheon.
It has a lot of fun features, which I'll bring up as needed. But the one I'm specifically interested in is its ability to emit an anti-metal pulse that disintegrates metal that it is directed at:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/mk48_01.jpg
or
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/MS-MoonKnight51-14.jpg
or
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/mk49_18.jpg
I have other scans if needed.
Also, you'll notice it doesn't disintegrate MK’s equipment nor the truncheon itself, so Minion is more than safe from its affects.
So any metal/tech they bring against me is boned. This includes most of their team, and will also include whatever tech they are obviously bringing to the battlefield.
Also, Mr. Terrific's T-spheres are vulnerable to electrical attacks:
http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=terrificxz0.jpg
Which I'll exploit with the truncheon as well:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p10.jpg
Super Havok
I didn't mean for Minion Prime to steal the show. Havok is just as intrinsic to my plans. Whereas Minion can defend against anything and anyone, and also dish it out as well as anyone, Havok is here simply for ungodly destruction.
The first battle scan you'll see is against Vulcan, a herald-level energy manipulator. Havok destroys him, then proceeds to destroy a city-sized spaceship. Ah, but astute fans will note, Havok was "sundipped" for the encounter. See, he gets his power from solar energy, not unlike Superman or similar characters:
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=exiles29ff0.jpg
So why show the Vulcan fight, if it's Havok at his peak, not his base (which is what I drafted)? Because, of course, I just amalgamated him with his own personal sundip. Firehawk.
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/756/fh9xf9.jpg
or
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fh8me0.jpg
...whose fire powers are generated by a nuclear reaction, the same way the sun produces heat. Solar radiation, with Havok at ground zero absorbing what she emits constantly.
Enjoy:
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0001hj0.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0002tc1.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0003wl8.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0004df3.jpg
and
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0005oq2.jpg
Expect a cavalcade of similarly jaw-dropping feats of energy output in the coming match. For reference, he can also channel the energy into punches or shielding from blows/energy/etc.
He's WAY beyond anyone else in High Meta in raw destructive output. And I have him continually amped the entire match with FH.
Moon Knight
Besides providing the ever-useful anti-metal pulse from his truncheon (given to Minion and described earlier), he'll be in a complimentary role to my two main forces.
First, he generates cloud cover to make himself difficult to detect. Better for the hit-and-run tactics I need him for.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/MSMK_v3_43-01.jpg
Riding in the Angelwing, which in addition to standard guns has gas bombs and magnetism powers to mess with any tech they might have:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/mk49_04.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/mk49_05.jpg
And it will also be shooting heavy-grade missiles at them, which can lock onto their heat signatures:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/MSMK_v3_53_06.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/MSMK_v3_53_07.jpg
MK himself will be using his arrows in hit-and-run tactics from the plane when he spies an opportunity to strike:
These range from adamantium and gas attacks:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/MS-MoonKnighv3t35--09.jpg
or
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/marcspectormoonknightv3_045_11.jpg
To more destructive attacks:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/marcspectormoonknight_v3_3_10.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/marcspectormoonknight_v3_3_11.jpg
Clearly he won’t be the ridiculous team-buster that my other two are. But he's also going to be very useful in his complimentary role, and will be able to harass, harm, and even kill all but the most powerful foes. Anyone who can't take a missile blast, or who can't defend against adamantium, or who needs to breath, won't be safe.
The Battle
Minion's untouchable and unstoppable. And he disintegrates them utterly with the anti-metal pulse from MK's truncheon. Havok has better offensive output than anything we've seen in the tourney. You've seen a few scans already, and you'll see a lot more. Moon Knight picks his spots to attack, harasses the enemy with the Angelwing.
There isn't an exotic trick I haven't planned for, or don't have an answer to. There isn't a foe I can’t beat into submission. They may not even be able to prove that they'd hit Minion, let alone kill him. Tourney limit speed combined with KK's skills and MN'ers calculative ability that takes the optimal course of action every time, means that even if I couldn't absorb energy (I can), even if I didn't have epic durability and healing (I do), and even if I could be directly hit (I can't be), they still wouldn't touch me.
Ending
- I dare anyone to hurt Minion. They'll no doubt try, but it will either be something that can't kill him, or outright BS.
- Havok can wreck cities at this point without batting an eyelash. And he can keep up his maximum energy output constantly due to Firehawk keeping him constantly amped.
- Delph, and other judges that might be interested, I still think I have all of the Marvels power in Minion Prime. But as I demonstrated here, I don't need it. If you believe the Marvel/Minion plan, don't forget about it, and include it in your judgement.
- Minion's assimilations for the match (at the end of the match): Moon Knight, Mr. Terrific
- For the sake of all, I have a full explanation of Minion Prime coming up in my first couple posts. Thank you for reading.
Leo/Scoob's Opening Post (Part 1 of 2)
Have to cut this in half as it reads as 9996 characters and it wont let me send it as a single message.
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Rematch Time! (sort of)
PREP SITE: Damocles Base (or Chronopolis if there's any reason we couldn't use Damoclese)
Team:
Techno
Forge
Kang
Spiral
Mr Terrific
Peacemaker
AMALGAMS:
Kang
Peacemaker
Robogod - Mr. Terrific/Spiral/Forge/Techno
PREP PLANS/ACTIVITIES:
in the opening instants of the prep period, we have techno (using kane's tech and database information acquired last round) download the following powersets:
Weapon x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_North_(comics)
Chamber: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamber_(comics)
Kimura: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimura_(comics)
Deadpool: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadpool_(comics)
Aurora: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(comics)
Washout: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washout_(comics)
and . . .
Madison Jefferies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Jeffries
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jefferies1qc8.jpg
🙂
All of that takes place within the first 10secs of the prep period. techno then turns to the task of copying Kang's mind (in the same way we absorbed/copied the minds of our characters in the previous rd).
As seen here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&postid=11298979
When that is finished we amalgamate our guys (6mins).
Once we have amalgamated, it is important to realize what we've created. we've incorporated Forge's power into a body that works at computer speeds, allows for the creation of instant tech (via techno and kane's liquid metal) and that operates at tourney max speed and given him a herald-level technomorphing ability. we've also gone ahead and granted him access to 30th & 40th century tech and mixed in a mind that is intimately familiar with all of that tech.
Also, Techgod will, with the aid of Kang's mind, replicate all of Kang's standard armour tech within his own body, this includes personal force fields that can hold of an enraged Thor:
http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shield02mjolnirpg1.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shield03qg1.jpg
Needless to say, we make our amalgam a busy little beaver. with all of said abilities he sets about creating a few things:
(1) T-spheres--he creates 6 T-spheres. from the tech available to him, we have him work in a couple little extras--in 3 of them, he adds in stark's event horizon technology. (he acquired stark's mind in the previous rd). basically, we create 3 black hole bombs. in the others, we incorporate forge's OWN NEUTRALIZER TECH, and we have it set to target anyone on the battlefield who is NOT on our team.
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4056/neutralizereffectscu4.jpg
Look closely and you will see it was to be used to neutralize ALL superpowers--those include mutants, non-mutants AND even Iron Man's armor. the neutralizer is a Bee-otch!
The T-spheres themselves are incredible pieces of tech. Through mr T, we can literally control them with a thought--and as we THINK at computer speed, and they are supercomputers themselves, we can actually have them target and fire at LIGHTSPEED.
That is important--there is a limit on TRAVEL SPEED in this tourney--there is no limit at all on THOUGHT SPEED. we control the spheres with computer speed thoughts. Digi's guy moves at mach 10, his reflexes, reactions, all of those things are CAPPED at mach 10. for all his "HERALD TALK" our T-spheres can target and shoot at LIGHTSPEED. to the spheres, Digi will be LITERALLY, AND AT ALL TIMES, standing still.
(2) With the spheres built and the tech incorporated, we proceed to recreate, via Kang's knowledge, his holographic projection gear and the scarlet centurion armor. now it's imporatnt to note that this tech will likely be ALREADY available to us--it has already be made and is existing inside damocles base. we just need to retrieve it. if not, we can simply interface with it, copy it's schematics and reproduce it virtually isntantly. In less than a second, jefferies has turned a car into a robot and Techno has turned his body into various high powered weapons. Given Kang's knowledge along with our speed and brain power, NOTHING WE ARE DOING IS OUTSIDE OUR ABILITIES.
Once the tech is taken or recreated, we assign it to Kang.
What does the holo-gear do? well, it lets us do this . . .
http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hologram1px9.jpg
and this:
http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hohlogram2cv3.jpg
and this:
http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hologram3xp3.jpg
In that last scan, kang's hologram is actually dwarfing DAMOCLES BASE ITSELF. that would make him MILES tall . . . 🙂 and a fully attacking, invulnerable hologram. methinks THAT might be a problem . . .
(3) using peacemaker's mind (which we DL'd last match) we recreate (as we did last match) REACH-tech in the form of scarab armor and give it to peacemaker to wear for the battle.
Once all the gear is created (sounds like a lot, but with our super speed, ready access to kang's crazy-uber tech and the ability to technomorph at computer speeds--not to mention with possession of the actual MINDS of all the tech's inventors . . .--this really is NOT a lot to accomplish) we use Techno to additionally incorporate kang's GROWING MAN tech into our body and with whatever time is left on the clock, (only requires seconds) spiral dances and turns us invisible and casts a power reversal spell over us. we erect all forcefields--adaptive--so strong that thor, quasar, IM, cap marvel and several others could not cut through with DAYS of prep:
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adaptiveshieldei8.jpg
We are now invisible to all technological and biological 'sensors'.
Leo/Scoob's Opening Post (Part 2 of 2)
BATTLE:
At the very outset of the battle we teleport (Via Spiral's power) Kang and the hologear to a location on the opposite side of the planet so he can call up the hologram. he appears in the opening seconds of the match as a 2000' tall hologram that is untouchable but can dish out vast amounts of damage (scans to follow). while Kang does that, our main amalgam locates Digi's team, teleports the T-spheres to his location all around and orders the spheres to launch their neutralizing beams at digi's team. if they are somehow . . . guarded against (I've really no idea how . . .) then we set off the black hole bombs and teleport to Kang's location. (he's on the opposite side of the planet--even at mach 10 it would take many minutes--maybe hours) to reach him. Teleporting is instant.
If somehow they survive those initial attacks, we are invisible to them in all ways. we teleport behind them then we utilise MADISON JEFFERIES' powerset to simply RIP MINION APART. 😄
We have equal speed.
We have>maneuverability
Judomaster's powers will NOT save him from jefferies (who has even--for a brief time--ripped apart death metal) all we need to do is make him vulnerable briefly, then Techno can simply ABSORB MINION'S TECH INTO HIMSELF.
WE BECOME THE ASSIMILATORS.
We also have Peacemaker wearing armor that FRIGHTENS GREEN LANTERNS! (scans of reach tech to follow . . .)
Beyond that, Kang himself has MASSIVE firepower available to him instantly, we have all of Stark's armaments available to us as well. if we can stun him, Spiral can ALSO simply depower him with a wave.
If he survives the T-spheres and their neutralizing attack and black hole bombs, then the fun is just beginning.
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Oh, we also found something we would like to add in regards to Minion's CAP MARVEL power-up . . . something i think the judges and everyone will find pretty interesting . . . 😖hifty:
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Digi has argued, constantly, that he possesses the souls of the Marvels and that this, in turn, gives him access to their Shazam granted power-ups. He claims this through the argument that it is the souls which call for the power and the body isn't required.
In the following scan you will see Freddy Freeman's power called down by a recording of his voice (within the vicinity of his body) the result? the lightning strikes his BODY, not the mechanical device that is calling the power.
It also shows that it is Freddy's voice that is required to summon the power (or an exact replica of his voice at the very least) but this STILL results in the power being attracted to Freddy's BODY.
Essentially this one scan shows that Digi's Marvel power-up should never have worked in the first place, soul or no soul.
And as Digi has himself shown in other matches, when the lightning strikes a body that is not pre-approved by the wizard Shazam, it has bad results for the target (most famously shown at the end of Kingdom Come when Billy Batson uses it to great effect against Superman)
And if some of you are still on the fence, we can always switch off magical power-ups with a weaponised version (courtesy of our techgod amalgams uber tech-godliness) of this contraption:
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thorblakero2.jpg
Wax-on - Wax-off, no Shazam based powers to fret about in this match.
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Quick recap--
OFFENSE:
Black hole bombs
Neutralizers
Holographic warrior
Spiral's depowering and other spells
Madison Jefferies powers
Iron Man's weaponry
Kang's weaponry
DEFENSE:
Kang's adaptive shields
Power reversal
Invisibility to all tech AND human eyes
Intangibility via spiral
Tactical teleporting
Adaptive counterattack abilities via reach-tech
Tourney max speed
Near-lightspeed thought
Growing Man tech
Kane's ability to absorb kinetic energy and turn it into POWER
I'm sure we're forgetting something, but don't worry - - we'll remember as we go along . . .
NON-POST:
just a quick confirmation--delph didn't ok it until late, so i didn't specifically post it, but our OFFICIAL base is DAMOCLES BASE for prep. the reason i clarify is because the hologear/armor is LOCATED on damocles base. all we need to do is retrieve it, as opposed to recreate it. might save us whole seconds! 😄
en garde, monsieu digi! 😄
Digi Post #1
New and Improved: Minion Prime Explained & writeup reactions
Much of this is brand new, as per the recent controversy. I'd ask all judges, even those familiar with my Minion strategy, to read it.
The Easy Stuff
- It is commonly known that Minion gets the skills/memories/experiences/etc. of victims that he assimilates:
http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11xg9.jpg
- The rules allow for information retention from match to match, so anything Minion assimilates is carried with him for the entire tourney. Second, Illadelph approved soul-assimilation as part of information retention, so that is included as well (more on this in a moment).
- Not mentioned in the writeup were Mary Marvel, Cpt. Marvel Jr. and Osiris (Black Adam Jr.) whose beings I assimilated in order to call down their power into Minion. Here I will talk about them.
- Btw, this is not power copying, which would be banned. Minion assimilates minds/souls. Information retention. Skills aren't powers, so assimilated skills don't fall under power copying. And in the case of the Marvels, he isn't copying their powers. It just so happens that their minds/souls give him access to the source of their powers, which he calls down. At no point was a power copied, however, to keep us legal. This is why I have, for example, Emma Frost's mind, but not telepathic skill.
- The list of people Minion has assimilated is provided in my writeup.
- Karate Kid is the most noteworthy among the "skill" assimilations. He accomplishes class 100+ feats with no powers at all, and is faster than anyone outside of speedsters. Combined with Minion's Class 100 strength, and just with those two you're looking at the strongest and most skilled character in the tournament. By a lot. The Marvel family (Mary, Freddy, Osiris) is noteworthy because their host body is now Minion's, since their consciousness helps make up the person that is now Minion. This allows me to call down their magical power (scans shown below) and make Minion into a Cpt. Marvel level character.
The Other Part (i.e. The Smurph Controversy)
Here's a recent quote from delph himself.
illadelph12 wrote on Nov 26th, 2008 12:36 PM:
A "soul" is a collection of a person's experiences, knowledge, personality, etc., which is all information, regardless of the romantic religious and spiritual overtones people like to associate with it. Minion can assimilate this data in it's raw form and utilize it, and that is 100% legal, so yes, you get the "souls" of anyone you assimilate.The only matter at this point is whether or not judges and opponents believe that Minion can access the Marvel's powers the way you claim you would by this means, which is open to interpretation, but does not violate any rule.
K, so let's look at this. Smurph's objection, and it was an interesting and valid one, is that he believed that souls were being treated as separate substances from the "mind." Delph, as well as myself, are not. Memories, actions, experiences, skills, instincts, personalities, etc. are what constitute a soul. All information, and therefore legal.
But let's justify it a bit further, shall we?
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7597/00ja5.jpg
The bio created by AIM itself for Minion, which does a great job of listing every power he's ever displayed. The important part about his assimilations:
cranial disruption siphon, with which Minion can nullify and download the bio-chemical program of a selected target.
Bio-chemical program. Convincingly materialistic, yes? Yet the scans I show about souls below use the words essence and soul. Why? Because within Minion's continuity, and therefore for my matches, the two are interchangeable. He has their minds, which also means their souls, because the soul is simply the information that makes up the mind.
Set aside any personal beliefs you might have about the duality of mind and soul, which many theists maintain, and is a valid opinion. We’re talking about what the comics show, however. Minion's half man, half machine. Nothing mystical about him. He assimilates minds, which means souls for our purposes. The two are the same.
It's true that I used the word 'soul' differently than 'mind' in earlier matches. This was to avoid confusion, and also because no ruling forced me to differentiate between the two until recently.
For Smurph's objection to nullify my plan, you have to believe that the soul is separate from the mind's memories, experiences, etc. Even if you believe that personally, for our purposes in the match it isn't justified. And none of the scans suggest that either, but rather reinforce that "bio-chemical information" is fact equivalent to the soul.
Besides, you can't get much better than 100% legal. Delph's words, not mine.
Scans that support full assimilation:
I have a couple other that I can post, but at this point it's been fairly universally accepted that Minion assimilates everything about a person into him.
Here one of Minion's personalities is transferred out of Minion into a new host body
http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh1dx2.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh2nz5.jpg
The words "soul" and "essence" to describe the transfer are his own.
Minion was once destroyed almost completely, though later put back together. When this happened, one of the beings insides of him escaped. Here he relates the experience:
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh17ar2.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh18uq9.jpg
And I quote: "when my fleeing soul escaped into the Battletide, I encountered the body of your latest victim, Termagaira, the demon-lord. It was child's play to possess that form..."
Misc. Scans/Points
- The point was brought up that if 1 magical lightning bolt changes one (say for Mary), the second might change her back (when Freddy calls down his power). I debunked that anyway with scans, since they're all separate occurrences that wouldn't affect one another, but it's now a moot point, because I now have 3 with such power (because we added Osiris). So if you believe that logic, it doesn’t harm me anymore.
- Also, perhaps most importantly, here is Billy using the Cpt. Marvel power in a different host body:
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007kgw9
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007paw2
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007q8q4
So there's irrefutable proof that I can access the Marvel’s power in a new host body with nothing but their mind.
So barring new objections (which I'll likely be able to shut down just as easily) I have > Cpt. Marvel strength, speed, and total power, with KK's skills, Midnighter's calculative abilities, and Minion's versatility, healing, as well as his adamantium-esque durability. High Herald level material, folks. Easily.
If You Don’t Believe It
Well, you should. I've shown everything in scans, and quelled all objections. But, if you don't think it'll work, no worries. Read through my writeup if you haven't already. I've done more than enough. Cpt. Marvel level strength/durability is a ridiculous bonus, but in my mind just the icing on the cake.
So that's that. On with the match. Let me get us started:
Reactions to Their Writeup:
- Havok can contain black holes:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/tenchi_xmen159_p05.jpg
...and since the black hole bombs aren't continuous, but only temporary, averting their threat will be child's play.
- Deadpool's healing was specifically banned for this tourney. Ignore the part about them downloading it.
- My scan of Billy using his power inside Superman's body, shown above (with Kal's voice, I might add) negates their supposed debunking of my Minion plan.
- If you don't believe the Marvel part of Minion (though you should) please remember that my writeup doesn't even include it. I beat them anyway.
- Tech, meet anti-metal pulse. Anti-metal pulse, tech. I'm sure you two will get along famously ( 😈 ).
- So once I disintegrate their tech and half their team, most of their plan is shot to sh*t. No wait, ALL of it is. But even if I didn't have anti-metal, I have MORE than enough firepower to kill them anyway.
- They're really going to have to pull something fun outa their ass to even hurt Minion. How will they touch KK's level of skill? How will they circumvent Judomaster's aversion field without doing an attack that Black Knight's shield can absorb (energy, kinetic energy, etc.)? All questioned that need to be answered.
- Random scans:
A non-amped Havok, still with terrifying output:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/Page023.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/Page024.jpg
Melts an adamantium-like substance with his energy:
http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adamantiumwalluh6.jpg
Buh-bye scoob and leo's tech.
Black Knight can absorb kinetic energy as well, then redirect it:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/BlackKnight-WreckingCrew.jpg
More energy absorption:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/0deddb58.jpg
so, basically digi's plan is as follows--i'm tougher than you guys so i win!
😂
sorry mon ami, not going to even come CLOSE to cutting it this time around. there's a new and much better (and snazzier) bully on the block. 😉
if you read his response, you can see for yourself that he actually has no way at all to avoid our initial onslaught of t-spheres and black hole bombs. his counters are rather silly.
he shows a scan of havok struggling to contain a single black hole that HE IS HOLDING AND POURING ENERGY INTO.
our bombs explode well away from him--they have a programmable stasis field--that is to say WE TELL THE BOMB HOW LARGE ITS BLAST RADIUS IS.
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=miniblackholeiq4.jpg
we said the instant the spheres target you, they go off.
we start 0.5km apart.
havok will never have a chance to come CLOSE to touching even ONE of our black holes. at the outset of the battle, they find you at near lightspeed and go off--BOOM!! but that's only if you somehow convince anyone you have any powers left because the NEUTRALIZERS target you an instant before the bombs go off and utterly depower you. your cute little anti-metal pulse that you somehow feel will be a saviour is . . . not very effective from the distance we are attacking you.
your second scan shows that the field doesn't work until the metal is practically ON TOP of the field. your first scan shows him DIRECTIONALLY zapping some alarm material--again AT CLOSE RANGE. clearly the effect is directionally based or else it would destroy everything metallic around him--including the truncheon. it also doesn't pack hardly any range, or the pulse would liquify everything BEYOND the alarm system.
so, havok won't have a chance to try and contain even ONE black hole--we have THREE SEPERATE EVENT HORIZONS FORMING--minion would literally be ripped into less than atoms by the conflicting gravity wells--and his anti-metal pulse can only fire in one direction and has next to no range.
in the opening moments, he is depowered via forge's neutralizer--which depowered an ENTIRE PLANET OF THE SORCEROUS DIRE WRAITHS--and then he is ripped to itty-bitty pieces by the black hole bombs.
so confident was he in his superiority, he didn't even bother to specify that his team was seperated in anyway. consequently, they all arrive together, and are ALL STRUCK BY THE NEUTRALIZER RAY. his team is finished in the opening instants of the match.
in order to avoid this end, he would need to:
(a) locate us (he can't see or sense robogod so he needs to locate the spheres which all have their own powerful forcefields as part of their standard equipment)
(b) close the distance (at mach 10)
(c) attack us (at mach 10)
on the other hand:
(a) we target him instantly (we likely discover each other at the same instant)
(b) we have NO DISTANCE TO COVER
(c) we have him surrounded with MULTIPLE WEAPONS
(d) WE ATTACK AT NEAR-LIGHTSPEED
do the math. digi's team is caught in a crossfire he cannot NOT avoid. he can't even flee up or down. if he does, spiral just teleports the spheres into his path above or below ground and we set them off:
http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=senses1co9.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=senses2dm9.jpg
he really is utterly screwed--no aversion field, no shielding, no healing keeps him from being depowered and ripped into quarks and leptons. 🙂 even intangibility wouldn't save him--he'd still have mass and even LIGHT is pulled into an event horizon . . . (we only project the hologram AFTER the bombs go off . . . cripes, are we idiots?? 😄 )
and again, even if he DOES convince anyone he CAN survive that initial assault--i've no idea how--WE ARE UTTERLY INVISBLE TO HIS TEAM IN EVERY WAY.
even if he gets out, we just teleport behind him, use jefferies powerset, and shred him from the inside out.
so, to answer his question:
How will they touch KK's level of skill? How will they circumvent Judomaster's aversion field without doing an attack that Black Knight's shield can absorb (energy, kinetic energy, etc.)? All questioned that need to be answered.
black hole bombs, neutralizing beams, tactical teleporting, invisibility to all senses and madison jefferies powerset. i think that pretty much answers THAT question. 😄
and while robogod and his t-spheres do that, the scarab-armored peacemaker canm easily take out moonknight (if anyone believes he is alive), and kang? kang is a 2000' tall hologram capable of unleashing absolute hell . . .
http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hologram1px9.jpg
http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hohlogram2cv3.jpg
http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=megabomb1jd6.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=megabomb2eo2.jpg
http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=megabomb3pg7.jpg
i hope everyone understands the power kang possesses here--he can unleash CITY DESTROYING BLASTS IN THE FORM OF AN INTANGIBLE HOLOGRAM. and he is attacking from the OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET.
kang ALONE could cause digi's team grief and EFFORTLESSLY wipeout everyone save minion. and he could wipe-out minion as well unless you factor in the whole 'marvel-based-powers' which our scan utterly and completely refutes.
but even if he survives ALL THAT, we have adaptive shielding (please understand--it withstood the combined assaults of ALL the most powerful avengers including QUASAR and stark had WEEKS to try and overcome it . . .), equal speed, FAR GREATER maneuverability and the ability to percieve MECHANICAL ENERGY IN MOTION.
that is forge's gift. and beyond that, he can INTUITIVELY UNDERSTAND that information, and INTUITIVELY develop means of COUNTERING it.
forge's only drawback is that it takes him TIME to counter things. here, in a matter of minutes, he collated data and developed a weapon capable of taking out STRANGE!
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strangeweapon1aw2.jpg
http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strangeweapon2nb7.jpg
http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strangeweapon3tq5.jpg
strange was SERIOUSLY powerful. and he had only MINUTES to come up with something. on the fly, we could create a weapon to inhibit the nanites that operate minion's healing factor:
http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nanotechinhibitorzl5.jpg
and on and on. with his intuitive powers working at computer speeds, he can literally counter ANYTHING he comes up against. with techno-morphing and instant tech creation, WE, not digi, have the most lethal amalgam in this tournament . . .
more spotlight on the scrab armor next post.
a couple final things to keep in mind--we have kimura's invulnerability which prevented even x-23 from cutting her. that on TOP of our adaptive shielding and the ability to ABSORB KINETIC energy, make us at LEAST as durable as minion. regardless of his strength, the adaptive shield will hold out against his physical strikes (though how he could approach us since we have jefferies powers and all that other offense is beyond me . . . not to mention the fact WE ARE INVISBLE TO HIM!!) and any damage that MIGHT leak through only makes us stronger AND bigger due to growing man tech.
damn, we have offense we cannot in any way counter, and defenses he cannot in any way overcome.
and he was concerned with us being able to hurt him . . . heh
Digi Post #2
Post 1 was mostly pre-planned stuff. Now I actually get to sink my teeth into this match.
Techno-Logic
We have 10 minutes of prep. By their own admission, amalgamations will take roughly 6 min. of that:
Originally posted by illadelph12
When that is finished we amalgamate our guys (6mins).
So, for the math-deficient, that leaves 4 minutes. Keep that in mind.
With the remaining 4 minutes, they want you to believe that they can do ALL of the following:
A. Download the power sets of no less than 7 characters, none of which they bothered to prove would be in the database, or that Techno would be able to assimilate their powers.
B. Kang's armor. Mind you, Kang isn't amalgamated with Techno. He'd have to describe the armor to him, since a telepathic link isn't viable. Impossible in 4 minutes, or even 4 hours.
C. 6 T-spheres
D. But wait, he expects us to believe he can effortlessly meld two different kinds of tech (Stark's and Terrific's) to incorporate Stark-tech into the T-spheres, which will never be supported by evidence.
E. Adds yet another person's tech to the T-spheres, Forge's, to make them into neutralizers.
F. Kang's hologear and growing man tech
4 minutes, boys and girls. They don't have Flash, the amount of time they need, nor the materials to do all of that. Not even close.
Nor do they have, well, any scans of Techno doing anything even close to this level. I look forward to the justification of such drivel.
Holos
Might as well counter that stuff anyway, but judges, please don't believe all of it. It's beyond all believability. Leo's tech-blitz worked fine last tourney when he had Savitar operating with the speed force. Without it, the plan just smacks of silliness.
Anyway.
The holograms. I can see through them. They wouldn't bug me in the least. BK has the magical ability to see beyond deceptions of all kinds. Examples:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/BKSeesMagic2.jpg
or
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/BKSeesMagic1.jpg
Not only does he see through the physical illusion, but he can detect lies as well.
Energy
Did they really use energy attacks against me?! Really? They must not have seen who I have.
Are their blasts at the level of High Evolutionary?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/ThenaHighEvolutionaryPower.jpg
Or Super-Adaptoid?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/caaacc4d.jpg
Their own energy blasts will be getting used against them. Thanks for the extra offense, boys. By the way, the neutralizer ray is energy too. They just helped me neutralize their own team. Damn, this is fun.
But that's ignoring the person who is THE energy wielder in this fight. Havok.
Besides being able to reflect energy back at them:
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=reflectfy9.jpg
I'm simply going to be producing far more than them:
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen161cv1.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen161bbe4.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen161cnr7.jpg
or
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/scan0018.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/scan0019.jpg
Or I could just melt all of their tech by heating the air around me:
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen180bcc0.jpg
Add that to his amp, which lets him produce energy omnidirectionally at inconceivable levels, and their tech will simply melt as soon as they come to the fight. 0.5 kilometers is absolutely nothing to a being of such power.
But those are "regular" unamped blasts, whereas I'm amped from Firehawk's sun powers. He's Vulcan+ now, and can destroy miles of battlefield with a thought. And will.
Black Hole. Of Logic
The black hole device, by their own scan, requires a fission reactor, which includes far more exotic materials than some metal. Do they have atomic matter manipulation skills in that amalgam to go with the already-ludicrous techno-morphing?
Prime
With no further rebuttal, I have to assume that the Minion plan is a go. I've quelled every possible rebuttal, and countered their pitiful lone scan to try to dissuade you. If it does, pitted against the mountains of scans and evidence I've provided, well, it shouldn't. Scoob and leo don't like my plan, and they don't think it will work. But until they provide a credible reason for you to think that, I have everything that I claim with Minion, including Cpt. Marvel+ level base power.
Now for a few specific rebuttals:
Originally posted by leonidas
so, basically digi's plan is as follows--i'm tougher than you guys so i win!
If it works.
😉
Though don't let him marginalize my team into a bunch of muscleheads. This post and my others prove irrefutably that I covered my versatility bases as well.
Originally posted by leonidas
do the math. digi's team is caught in a crossfire he cannot NOT avoid. he can't even flee up or down. if he does, spiral just teleports the spheres into his path above or below ground and we set them off:
They would melt anywhere close enough to us to be set off and do damage, thanks to Havok. Or be disintegrated by our anti-metal. This attack is worthless.
You thought I kept my team together out of arrogance? Nay, friend. It was because between all my team members, we can counter anything, making us impossible to stop.
Originally posted by leonidas
and while robogod and his t-spheres do that, the scarab-armored peacemaker canm easily take out moonknight (if anyone believes he is alive), and kang? kang is a 2000' tall hologram capable of unleashing absolute hell
More energy for me to use against you. Awesome. Remember, judges, he was destroying entire city blocks in hologram form. Remember that kind of power, because my team is built specifically to use it against them. I'd post the Kang scans again for ironic evidence, but hopefully you saw them the first time around.
And don't take potshots at Moon Knight like that. Your team is literally made of metal. What will the Angelwing's magetic powers do to your tech? Just another way for me to f*ck them up.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p12.jpg
Originally posted by leonidas
forge's only drawback is that it takes him TIME to counter things. here, in a matter of minutes, he collated data and developed a weapon capable of taking out STRANGE!
You don't have minutes. You likely don't have seconds. You have all of our instant teleport to the battlefield before Havok wipes out all of your tech (and team) with this:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/Page023.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/Page024.jpg
But times that attack by about 5 since he's amped by Firehawk.
Originally posted by leonidas
not to mention the fact WE ARE INVISBLE TO HIM!!)
I dealt with this last match. Minion's a cyborg, only half machine. So I can see you "invisible to tech" just fine. He's also amalgamated with 2 humans, one of whom can magically see through all illusions and deceptions. So don't even start with this. It's just plain false.
And if you're using Spiral's magic for this, Dane (BK) can see through that too, as the physical deceptions I posted earlier were magic-based.
Summary
- Can they really do what they say they can in 4 minutes? Think long and hard on this (debunking above). If they can, they have a small chance, though I have counters to nearly all of it (shown above and below) anyway. And if they can't do all of it (the more likely scenario) they are boned beyond belief.
- I can see through holograms, and any other deceptions (including magical, thanks to BK's powers).
- I can absorb their energy and send it back at them, which they are using against me.
- Using that technique, I can use their own neutralizer ray against them. Magical absorption >>>> tech-based energy, regardless of what it does.
- Havok's amp and delirious output means that he can spit out enough energy to literally melt their tech as the battle starts. Or if they try to teleport it close enough to me to do damage. Omni-directional sh*tstomp ftw!
- I have all of Minion Prime. They've offered nothing as counter-evidence. You seriously have to ask yourself if they've produced enough to kill a Cpt. Marvel level being who has KK's skill, can't be directly hit (Judo) and can absorb all kinds of energy (BK). They haven't. Not even close.
- Melt the tech with Havok any time, disintegrate their team with the anti-metal pulse from MK's truncheon (given to Minion), etc. etc.
- I'm faster, more skilled, way stronger, more durable, have far better energy output, I'm using most of their attacks against them, and their plan is ridiculous and hard to swallow. They're a tech-team...they need time to counter sh*t and space to operate in, or else they don't have anywhere close to my power. I attack them instantly, and their team is dead in about 5-10 seconds, either by my own power or by using theirs against them. They can't fool me, counter me, and certainly can't match me in raw power.
With the remaining 4 minutes, they want you to believe that they can do ALL of the following:
yep. 🙂
hitting his points: we showed kane DL'ing various powers, admitting he has access to a "vast" database of powers, we showed him DL'ing them IN THE MIDDLE OF COMBAT (near-instantaneous DL), everyone we accessed was a member of weapon x (kimura was CREATED by them . . .) so it is logical they would have knowledge and signatures of those characters and most importantly--we SHOWED HIM DL'ing jefferies powerset. and truthfully, he's the only one we REALLY need . . . (see scan only post below)
as regards kang's armor: huh? we don't give techno kang's armor--we just incorporate his forcefield tech. but with the armor specs--we COULD recreate it almost instantly. again, see below.
t-spheres: with specs in his head they can be created instantly.
as for integrating tech--again, easily. we have stark's mind. we have terrific's mind. we have forge thinking like a computer.
thing is, for us: THOUGHT=ACTION.
integrating the 2 types of tech would be effortless. with techno's mind, forge is LITERALLY thinking BILLIONS OF TIMES FASTER THAN HE NORMALLY CAN. his power is to INTUITIVELY understand thinsg and make them better, or counter them. relatively speaking, from forge's point of view, that "4mins" of prep at computer speeds (the best supercomputers of OUR time can process near lightspeed--imagine what TECHNO can do . . .) is extended into DAYS OR EVEN WEEKS over which he can utilize his instant tech creations. that's not hyperbole, it's not tournament-speak: that is FACT. so . . . yeah--we can pretty easily do what we have set out to accomplish. 🙂
as for the hologear-- it simply needs to be put on by kang as it exists in its entirety on the base . . .
Nor do they have, well, any scans of Techno doing anything even close to this level. I look forward to the justification of such drivel.
i think scoob can better address this . . .
BK has the magical ability to see beyond deceptions of all kinds.
Their own energy blasts will be getting used against them. Thanks for the extra offense, boys. By the way, the neutralizer ray is energy too. They just helped me neutralize their own team. Damn, this is fun.
😐
the beam NEUTRALIZES superpowers.
it hits your shield and DEPOWERS it. it was built to depower all the superhumans ON EARTH. even THOR was threatened in that scan. the thing was so dangerous forge destroyed all the prototypes.
more importantly than all that even: IT WAS CREATED TO DEPOWER MAGIC.
the dire wraiths are POWERFUL sorcerers. even GALACTUS could not devour their homeworld! the neutralizer WIPED OUT ALL OF THEM. it was MADE for that reason. your shield and sword have no chance, and the fact that you offered them up for defense is something i was really hoping you would do. 😄 as soon as you try and block the first beam, the weapons become useless.
and if that's not enough--there are 3 SIMULTANEOUS BEAMS, each coming from a different angle. impossible for you to even TRY and deflect all 3.
as far as any other energy--the shield does NOTHING against the black holes, and NOTHING against jefferies powers. in fact, they are metal--jefferies can and HAS controlled alien metal as well as magically-based metals (see DEATH METAL). he doesn't have to destroy it completely--messing the shield and sword up the way he did DEATH METAL would allow for PLENTY of time to take you out with a combined assault from our 6-armed beast. once the sword is dealt with, spiral can teleport them into another dimension and leave you weaponless. simple as.
But that's ignoring the person who is THE energy wielder in this fight. Havok.
cept, we all have forcefields (including the t-spheres) that would easily withstand that heat--except moonknight, who would be dead very quickly indeed. and we target and depower you before you ever "conveniently decide" to send out an omnidirectional blast that would, you know, kill one of your guys . . . 😐
havok is meaningless in this fight. he can't threaten kang who is a hologram, he can't threaten robogod because of our shields, he has NO defense vs being neutralized. he can't even defeat peacemaker, whose armor can instantly adapt to his attacks. he can and would be destroyed by our holographic kang very quickly when he is struck by bolts that wreck city blocks and bombs that work like nukes . . .
moonknight lasts even LESS time . . .
Black Hole. Of LogicThe black hole device, by their own scan, requires a fission reactor, which includes far more exotic materials than some metal.
if jefferies can make a ship accelerate to LIGHTSPEED, converting small amounts of mass to produce the energy needed to power the bombs is less than nothing . . . 😄
yep. you're screwed . . .
With no further rebuttal, I have to assume that the Minion plan is a go..
well, we showed the power could be called down by a recording. what more proof do you need that your soul-plan has gaping holes. 😐
but regardless--who cares? your physical stats are useless against neutralizer beams, black hole bombs, jefferies abilities, forcefields you cannot penetrate, a holographic city-destroyer . . . what do we care if anyone believes you have something close to marvel's powers?
They would melt anywhere close enough to us to be set off and do damage, thanks to Havok. Or be disintegrated by our anti-metal. This attack is worthless.
lol
your anti-metal pulse has a range and directional setting that makes it utterly useless. and tell everyone again how you decide to gather your energy, emit it in an omnidirectional way and kill one of your teammates (and even a marvel-ized minion wouldn't be immune to a heat that can nearly melt adamantium . . .) and likely greatly damage the other, before we instanta-target you and depower you? and firehawk is no where NEAR stellar ranges of power. even amped by a STAR havok could barely overcome vulcan. firehawk's energy wouldn't give near the amp he's trying to convince you it would . . .
And don't take potshots at Moon Knight like that. Your team is literally made of metal. What will the Angelwing's magetic powers do to your tech? Just another way for me to f*ck them up.
c'mon digi. you want to use a magnet against us? 😐
i said moonknight is useless because, well, he IS useless . . . peacemaker in scarab armor (scans coming from scoob soon . . .) OBLITERATES moonknight . . .
You don't have minutes. You likely don't have seconds. You have all of our instant teleport to the battlefield before Havok wipes out all of your tech (and team) with this:
good thing we don't NEED seconds . . . less than a second will suffice. t-spheres can not HELP but find you instantly with the energy you're giving off. then you are depowered. seriously folks, it really is as simple as that. don't believe me? look at it logically and weigh for yourself what he's suggesting against what WE'RE suggesting:
us: t-spheres preprogrammed to locate him and attack with the neutralizer. this happens in less than a second. literally.
digi: (had no offensive plan in place) gets to the battlefield, first REALIZES we are not in the immediate area, THEN must decide to summon his power and unleash a massive heat blast that will kill MK, destroy his ship AND possibly do a lot of damage to minion. even if it takes him only 1 or 2 seconds (havok is NOT a computer and WOULD have some reservations about killing his teammates. . .) that is STILL WAY TOO LONG . . .
it's not really close when you look at the options logically. and again--he can't get away. we track at lightspeed, he moves at mach 10 and our teleporting is instantaneous. he is buggered 10 ways to sunday . . .
- Using that technique, I can use their own neutralizer ray against them. Magical absorption >>>> tech-based energy, regardless of what it does.
utterly unfounded.
the beams were DESIGNED to neutralize high level magic.
and you can't even TRY to absorb all 3 simultaneous beams.
you.
are
PWNED.
- Havok's amp and delirious output means that he can spit out enough energy to literally melt their tech as the battle starts. Or if they try to teleport it close enough to me to do damage. Omni-directional sh*tstomp ftw!
omniblast=death for MK and damage to minion (unless you think he laughs off heat that can nearly melt adamantium . . .)
- I have all of Minion Prime. They've offered nothing as counter-evidence. You seriously have to ask yourself if they've produced enough to kill a Cpt. Marvel level being.
easily. once he's depowered.
even if he's not, jefferies powerset is utterly anathema to minion.
we rip him apart from the inside a la dark guardian (below).
*note*--digi has offered exactly ZERO counter for jefferies powers. why? because he has none. safe in our shields, with spiral's senses and teleporting, we could evade him all day and abuse him with jefferies all night. he can't touch us and he couldln't harm us even if he COULD touch us.
I attack them instantly, and their team is dead in about 5-10 seconds, either by my own power or by using theirs against them. They can't fool me, counter me, and certainly can't match me in raw power.
ewwww . . . he gave himself the kiss of death.
5-10secs. 😐
5-10secs?? he's dead 10x over by that time . . . by digi's own admission it takes 5-10secs for him to take us out. he really has no chance in this match. 😬
scan only
in an instant, creates a complex sonograph after the specs ARE PLACED IN HIS HEAD:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/AlphaFlight36-14.jpg
transforms his box armor into a spaceship that can travel at LIGHTSPEED by destroying parts of his mass and converting it into energy:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/AlphaFlight57-01.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/AlphaFlight56-21.jpg
so much for not being able to make a black hole . . .
further evidence:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/A_Flight7/Alpha_Flight_58.jpg
techno is AT LEAST as effective as the box armor in all ways regarding its ability to be technomorphed . . . we also have almost unlimited mass with which to work--damocles base was VAST, city-sized. anyway, more:
transforms into a light cannon to battle the gateway of night:
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/AlphaFlight86-10.jpg
instant mech creation in AF's 'danger room':
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/AlphaFlight53-04.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/AlphaFlight53-05.jpg
again, working from plans, he makes high pressure suits:
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/A_Flight8/AlphaFlight39-08.jpg
armor to protect AF:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/AlphaFlight57-15.jpg
the death metal scans:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/DeathMetal_vs_Genetix_01_07.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/DeathMetal_vs_Genetix_01_08.jpg
digi's future . . .
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight28-08.jpg
please understand judges: for us though--THOUGHT=ACTION. jefferies is a near-herald level transmuter after all, and we have computer-speed thinking.
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kimura:
her skin is "indestructible". even x-23 can't come close to cutting it:
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kimura1oo4.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kimura2bj1.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kimura3xq7.jpg
rogers admits her skin is indestructible . . .
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forge and how he sees things . . .
http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forgevision1uq8.jpg
http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forgevision2zj1.jpg
he sees things the way they are MEANT to be seen.
Digi Post #3
I'll assume Scoob's planning nefariously (see also: drinking). Till then, I'm happy to go at it with leo.
Madison
Even scan posted was of Jeffries. A character they have yet to prove they actually have his power set. They haven't even attempted to justify their insanity with Techno, let alone provide nearly ANY scans to defend it. I have to assume the scans are somewhere, though whether or not they prove what leo's claiming is dubious at best.
We're used to crazy plans by this point. Participants and judges both. But make sure you make them justify their plan, which they haven't even attempted to do yet. Anything less than rock-solid proof is a disservice to tourneys, and a slap to the face of judges.
Originally posted by leonidas
as regards kang's armor: huh? we don't give techno kang's armor--we just incorporate his forcefield tech. but with the armor specs--we COULD recreate it almost instantly. again, see below.t-spheres: with specs in his head they can be created instantly.
as for integrating tech--again, easily. we have stark's mind. we have terrific's mind. we have forge thinking like a computer.
thing is, for us: THOUGHT=ACTION.
Not quite. See, you aren't instantaneous matter manipulators. You have to build the tech, and incorporate all of your fancy modifications to it. You have to figure all of that out. In 4 minutes.
It's like having Reed Richards.
Us: "Hey Reed, we need to stop Galactus."
Reed: Hmm, hold on, I'll work on it.
Us: "Oh, but he'll be here in 4 minutes."
Reed: &#^@
The 'computer speeds' argument is a bit lost as well unless you back it up somehow. And there's still the matter of having enough materials to do all of it. And the right materials, not just random metal (remember, you aren't atomic matter manipulators, just metal workers).
Originally posted by leonidas
umm, he's 2000ft tall and stading right in front of you. he's pretty hard to hide . . . don't think you need the sword to see him . . .
Wasn't talking about him, though yes he'll know it's a hologram, not the real thing.
And we're STILL using your city-destroying blasts against you with our absorption and redirection. Woo.
Originally posted by leonidas
it hits your shield and DEPOWERS it. it was built to depower all the superhumans ON EARTH. even THOR was threatened in that scan. the thing was so dangerous forge destroyed all the prototypes.
more importantly than all that even: [b] IT WAS CREATED TO DEPOWER MAGIC. [/B]
If you can build everything you say you can. And if you can incorporate this tech into them in 4 minutes. And if they can hit me at all, what with tourney-limit speed, Judomaster's aversion field, KK's skill (he has dodged lightning, btw). All while we disintegrate you, attack you, use your own attacks against you, etc.
That's a lot of ifs. And you plan seems to be predicated on my team not fighting back, but standing around waiting for your plans to work. In a speedblitz situation (which this is) I win handily.
Are you really going to be able to target and attack a blur target in the opening second of the fight as Mach 10 speed closes the 0.5 km gap between us in about .4 seconds? Or do anything to that target as a thunderclap ruins your entire team? Or disintegrate you with anti-metal.
These are the questions that need asked. Your plan would be great if I wasn't so superior to you in power, so as to give you no time at all to use them before you're dead.
Originally posted by leonidas
an omnidirectional blast that would, you know, kill one of your guys
First, the scan I showed to show you Havok's attack wasn't omni-directional. Second, he's clearly not going to do anything to endanger his teammates. Third, Moon Knight is hidden and away, and Minion could absorb the omni-directional attack with BK and use it against you.
So yeah, silly counter there.
Originally posted by leonidas
havok is meaningless in this fight. he can't threaten kang who is a hologram, he can't threaten robogod because of our shields, he has NO defense vs being neutralized. he can't even defeat peacemaker, whose armor can instantly adapt to his attacks. he can and would be destroyed by our holographic kang very quickly when he is struck by bolts that wreck city blocks and bombs that work like nukes
Can instantly adapt to energy that will disintegrate him? I'd like to see that.
Anyway, shields?! That's your answer to my team's offense? Let's imagine Superman were in this fight. People would laugh and say that Kal would bust through the shields without even thinking about it.
And I'm better than Superman.
Minion can override tech shielding:
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3zz4.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p4su1.jpg
Havok can melt nigh-adamantium if needed:
http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adamantiumwalluh6.jpg
Karate Kid can detect weak spots in ANYTHING, including forcefields:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Legionnaires-022-08.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Legionnaires-022-15.jpg
or
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/titanslsh4-20.jpg
or diamond:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure_365-16.jpg
At peak human strength. With Minion Prime, he could wreck the planet. Literally.
Originally posted by leonidas
if jefferies can make a ship accelerate to LIGHTSPEED, converting small amounts of mass to produce the energy needed to power the bombs is less than nothing
So vague speculation with no proof. Wicked.
Originally posted by leonidas
well, we showed the power could be called down by a recording. what more proof do you need that your soul-plan has gaping holes.
And I showed full assimilations, multiple times, I showed that the Marvel's power is based on the person, not the host body, and showed the Marvel power being used in a different host body. Fooling the power with a recording doesn't invalidate any of that. All it means is that it can be called down in more than one way. If a single weird scan debunks mountains of evidence, I'm seriously underestimating the amount of BS needed to debunk a credible plan.
Originally posted by leonidas
your anti-metal pulse has a range and directional setting that makes it utterly useless.
Until I speedblitz your ass before your team does anything. Then it's just another weapon in the arsenal, sepcifically designed to take you out.
Originally posted by leonidas
even amped by a STAR havok could barely overcome vulcan. firehawk's energy wouldn't give near the amp he's trying to convince you it would
Was hoping you'd mention this.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Havok
Havok's body is constantly in the process of absorbing cosmic radiation. When each of his body's power-storage cell enclaves reaches its capacity, excess cosmic energy is thereafter absorbed and immediately re-emitted in negligible quantities. Upon the total expenditure of all his available energy, it takes Havok's body about 16 hours to recharge to its peak level. The act of concentration involved in releasing his energy in anything other than an omnidirectional wave is physically exhausting for Havok if he continues it over an extended period of time.
So what does that mean? It means his peak is a lot easier to get to than might be suggested by a literal sundip. So is he absolute peak? Perhaps not. But he'd far beyond "normal" levels, and is every bit in Vulcan's league for this entire fight.
It also means, come to think of it, that he can survive in a sun. Damnit. That's some durability there.
Originally posted by leonidas
good thing we don't NEED seconds . . . less than a second will suffice. t-spheres can not HELP but find you instantly with the energy you're giving off. then you are depowered. seriously folks, it really is as simple as that. don't believe me? look at it logically and weigh for yourself what he's suggesting against what WE'RE suggesting:
I'll wait for a scan of a T-sphere tagging Flash, or something else that would be at the level you expect us to believe. Hyperbole doesn't suit you, not when I'm going to call you out on it.
Anyway, my character can keep up with Flash:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-17.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-18.jpg
...a Flash attacking the Legion, who no one else could even touch let alone hurt besides KK.
DigiMark007, folks. Giving the judges what they need to believe him.
😄
Summary
Once I blitz them, which is under a second to close the 0.5 km gap (at Mach 10, mind you), with Minion's tourney-limit speed and Firehawk's near-limit speed, their attacks are useless, the bombs would hurt them as much (or more) than me, I can dodge anything they send at me, absorb whatever I need to send it back at them, and have a bevy of attacks that would cripple them at close quarters (anti-metal, energy, thunderclaps, etc. etc.). Minion's a planet-wrecker. Havok's godly. He's got all his eggs in a single, metal basket. And I blow it to holy hell.
Every scan posted was of Jeffries. A character they have yet to prove they actually have his power set.
huh?
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jefferies1qc8.jpg
that scan SHOWS KANE DL'ING JEFFERIES' POWERSET. so yes, UNEQUIVOCALLY we have jefferies powers--even if for whatever reason you don't think we have the others (as i said--they are all part of weapon x, all have been studied and used by weapon x--only stands to reason their powers would be part of the VAST database kane had access to . . .) and with THAT knowledge, we have an UN-COUNTERABLE OFFENSIVE OPTION. even if you some think he can survive the depowering and bombs (and i'm asking right now for any judge who DOES think he survives to please explain HOW he survives . . .) he has no means of countering jefferies powerset with his CYBORG!
he's screwed so many ways it's hard to keep track of them all.
Not quite. See, you aren't instantaneous matter manipulators. You have to build the tech, and incorporate all of your fancy modifications to it. You have to figure all of that out. In 4 minutes.
the scans i showed of jefferies in the scan-only DEMONSTRATED CLEARLY THAT WITH SPECS IN HIS HEAD HE CAN CREATE UNFAMILIAR TECH ALMOST INSTANTLY. (sonograph, pressure suits).
It's like having Reed Richards.
Us: "Hey Reed, we need to stop Galactus."
Reed: Hmm, hold on, I'll work on it.
Us: "Oh, but he'll be here in 4 minutes."
Reed: &#^@
yeah, that's a pretty good analogy. except for the part where
(a )we're NOT fighting a cosmic level being,
(b) you did NOT say reed's mind is a computer capable of processing at near-light speed,
(c) you did NOT say he can transmute metal, glass and plastic at herald levels almost instantly.
(d) you NEGLECT to say he has access to some of the best tech in all of comics millennia beyond what you have.
(e) you forget to say he has access to a mutant power that let's him INTUITIVELY understand tech in a way even REED never has before.
(f) you also forgot to add that along with all that stuff we gave him, he ALSO HAS THE PLANS FOR WHATEVER HE WANTS TO BUILD IN HIS MIND. afterall, we're not building ANYTHING NEW--just combining some tech. (do you really think if reed had access to jefferies powers that he could NOT build any of the devices he has ALREADY built, almost instantly?? despite the scans i showed of jefferies doing EXACTLY that?? c'mon now . . . how much proof do you actually need?)
other than that though, the analogy is pretty accurate. 😐
And we're STILL using your city-destroying blasts against you with our absorption and redirection. Woo.
speaking of being called out . . . how's about we see BK absorbing something that is REALLY big. something that extends well beyond the bounds of his shield? the blasts kang is using are ENORMOUS--that bomb is akin to saying BK could absorb a NUKE. no way he's ever shown ANYTHING like that kind of power. so . . . proof?
That's a lot of ifs. And you plan seems to be predicated on my team not fighting back, but standing around waiting for your plans to work. In a speedblitz situation (which this is) I win handily.
😑
our speeds are BOTH maxxed, (ie--EVEN) AND we can teleport better than anyone in this thing.
Are you really going to be able to target and attack a blur target in the opening second of the fight as Mach 10 speed closes the 0.5 km gap between us in about .4 seconds?
well, the tech we are using is at the very least equal to stark's (in fact, we've INCORPORATED stark's tech . . .) and stark himself, without any of the amping/meshing we've done, can operate in the picosecond range . . .
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8977/impico1ty3.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8297/imreaction1sr7.jpg
so, again, by your own admission, you say 0.4secs, eh? well, by my math, that makes our tech at the very LEAST, 100X FASTER than you . . .
yes. our mind is a computer. we are using computer targetting. Or do anything to that target as a thunderclap ruins your entire team? Or disintegrate you with anti-metal.
please. a thunderclap? passes through holographic kang harmlessly, and does less than nothing to shields that withstand an enraged thor, quasar, cap marvel and all the other avengers--SIMULTANEOUSLY. again, do you understand it took stark WEEKS to find a weakness in this shield? and he never DID! he STILL needed the triune to work with him to weaken the adaptive shields. beyond that, you'd need to HIT us. with equal speed, our teleporting makes us impossible for you to hit. throw in indestructible skin as well for good measure.
digi somehow thinks if he hits us, he wins. the shield HAS no weakness. you aren't breaking it. you think minion overrides shields stark couldn't find weaknesses in over the course of WEEKS?? please . . . we are MILLENNIA more advanced than minion.
First, the scan I showed to show you Havok's attack wasn't omni-directional. Second, he's clearly not going to do anything to endanger his teammates.
so you WON'T be using the omni-blast like you said you would in your last post? sweet! 😱 that means our spheres are COMPLETELY safe as you'd have to TRAVEL TO THEM to reach them BEFORE they blast you with the neutralizer ray. 0.4secs is an eternity compared to what we can do. targetted and depowered before he makes it half-way to us.
seriously--he really is screwed . . .
oh, and MK arrived WITH your team in your little huddled grouping--part of the problem with your 'we're-tougher-than-you-so-we-don't-need-an-actual-battle-plan' "strategy". whatever massive attack havok tries, he screws MK over with it . . . and minion.
Anyway, shields?! That's your answer to my team's offense? Let's imagine Superman were in this fight. People would laugh and say that Kal would bust through the shields without even thinking about it.
not.
even.
close.
or they might say that until they actually realized how strong the shields are and that they are ADAPTIVE. repeated blows with mjollnir by an enraged thor can't bypass them=superman has no chance. neither does your guy, unless you can somehow prove the shields HAVE a weakness. and don't forget--LEGION takes place in the 30th--we have tech from the 40th CENTURY. we are FAR beyond anything val has come up against.
we are COMPLETELY safe. oh, and don't forget, we have indestructible skin AND you never have the chance to TRY and touch us, anyway . . .
So vague speculation with no proof. Wicked.
😑
jefferies--ON HIS OWN--can convert matter into energy--enough to send a ship to LIGHTSPEED. you think generating the power to operate tony's event horizon bombs would be 'vague speculation'? whew . . . okey-dokey . . .
Until I speedblitz your ass before your team does anything. Then it's just another weapon in the arsenal, sepcifically designed to take you out.
😂
kinda tough to do that, my friend, when we're every bit as fast as you, far more maneuverable than you and (imagine this if you can . . .) EVEN HAD A PLAN OF ATTACK IN PLACE TO COUNTER ANYTHING YOU TRIED TO DO. (you might have given yourself some sort of chance had you actually HAD a plan in place. the "i'm tougher than you" stratgey really was a very very poor choice for this match. 😬 )
So what does that mean? It means his peak is a lot easier to get to than might be suggested by a literal sundip. So is he absolute peak? Perhaps not. But he'd far beyond "normal" levels, and is every bit in Vulcan's league for this entire fight.
which means . . . nothing. 😐 he HAS no "MAX SPEED". he has NO WAY to avoid being neutralized. even his output is meaningless to us and our shields. and city-wrecking blasts will KO him in a hurry (though he is depowered in the first instants of the fight anyway . . .). he and MK really are useless in this fight. a city-wrecking, 2000' tall kang and a character with power to make GL's afraid are something else altogether . . .
I'll wait for a scan of a T-sphere tagging Flash, or something else that would be at the level you expect us to believe. Hyperbole doesn't suit you, not when I'm going to call you out on it.
fortunately we don't NEED to tag flash--we need to tag a relatively slow, mach 10 guy. 🙂 and i already showed we can operate in the picosecond range. again, it is simple physics--at those operating speeds time stretches and everything we say we can do we CAN do--easily.
Once I blitz them,
lol
0.4 secs is about 100x TOO SLOW . . .
the bombs would hurt them as much (or more) than me,
and your anti-metal gets close enough we could always simply absorb it, or wreck it with jefferies powers. and if he IS close enough to try anything like that, or if he's close enough to try and get physical . . . well . . . we still have the COMPLETELY UN-COUNTERABLE MADISON JEFFERIES . . .
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight28-08.jpg
a feeling minion will be getting intimately acquainted with . . .
Digi Post #4
Originally posted by leonidas
he has no means of countering jefferies powerset with his CYBORG!
Can't counter? Hardly. We'll get to that in a minute.
I missed the scan the first time around, though, so thanks for posting it again. It still only justifies 1 of about 7 power sets, with the rest being speculative pending further evidence. Is the proof really out there, or did you just settle on 7 because you thought reaching for entire teams and such would be less likely to be believed?
So a nice, though nowhere near game-changing, addition with Jeffries. That's it, though, and you still have the large majority of your plan in the 👇 column.
Originally posted by leonidas
the scans i showed of jefferies in the scan-only DEMONSTRATED CLEARLY THAT WITH SPECS IN HIS HEAD HE CAN CREATE UNFAMILIAR TECH ALMOST INSTANTLY. (sonograph, pressure suits).
You have Jeffries power set, not his experiences. Saying he can build something means nothing if Techno is not as knowledgeable and proficient as Madison is with it.
4 minutes, meshing exotic tech together in the hopes that it would work seamlessly, with materials that require matter manipulation to create a fission reactor. Pray tell, how does a T-sphere contain a fission reactor? Or how do you go about making one, aside from speculating based on an unrelated Jeffries feat? Round hole, square peg.
We have Techno DLing Jeffries powers, and we have....nothing else. I can use KK showings, for example, because I literally have his mind inside me. But do we really assume that, for example, me with Magneto's powers is instantly as good as Magneto? Please.
If I had the ludicrous level of proof for Minion that leo has for his plans, I would've been forced to give up Minion weeks ago. Don't let him get off with this sloppy planning, forced logic, and convenient sidestepping of problems.
Originally posted by leonidas
speaking of being called out . . . how's about we see BK absorbing something that is REALLY big.
Are you forgetting that Minion has Cpt. Marvel level durability and can heal from nearly anything almost instantly? And KK's skill combined with MN'ers calculative ability, meaning that we'll never be in a bad position in this fight. The shield is hardly my only line of defense.
That said, the absorption is more than enough to soak up nearly anything you send at us, and use it against you.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/BKvsKillerShrike1.jpg
...where he absorbs what appears to be an omnidirectional blast. Or,
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/AntiMindvs.jpg
Perceive it how you want. But judges, he's still trying to use epic energy blasts against me, and I still have a character specifically suited to not just defend against it but turn it into an attack against them.
Originally posted by leonidas
our speeds are BOTH maxxed, (ie--EVEN) AND we can teleport better than anyone in this thing.
Disagree. See the last paragraph in this section.
You're forgetting an important aspect of this though. While we're both presenting ways that we think we'd counter and/or kill the other team, we can't say exactly how and when the attacks would get used in the heat of battle. However, I can say beyond doubt that whatever my team can do that is best for the situation, whatever is the optimal way to counter you, will happen.
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n2jc0.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n3hb2.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n4ef1.jpg
Such certainty is not to be trifled at. Judges, I can guarantee that my plans will be used at the optimal points and in the best possible sequence. If it's possible given my power set, it would happen. More importantly, if a win is at all possible given my power set, it will happen due to this.
Btw, who exactly gives your team Mach 10 travel speed, and reflexes better than anyone outside of Flash? I've shown mine, unequivocally (if I may borrow your word) and irrefutably, with scans and evidence. Other than unjustified speculation that T-spheres operate near lightspeed, I haven't seen sh*t from your team, nor do I see a name that pops out at me that has those powers. Faster team: undoubtedly me, reactions, skills, travel speed, everything. Better team: undoubtedly me as well.
Originally posted by leonidas
well, the tech we are using is at the very least equal to stark's (in fact, we've INCORPORATED stark's tech . . .) and stark himself, without any of the amping/meshing we've done, can operate in the picosecond range
The picoseconds thing was how long it took the tech to analyze the signal, not how long it took to act. Besides, Stark's reaction are based on his internal Extremis nanites, which you don't have.
Originally posted by leonidas
digi somehow thinks if he hits us, he wins. the shield HAS no weakness. you aren't breaking it. you think minion overrides shields stark couldn't find weaknesses in over the course of WEEKS?? please . . . we are [b]MILLENNIA more advanced than minion.[/B]
Funny you use millenia. That scan I showed of him overriding a tech shield was on a person from the year 9000 and something, whose race had taken over and destroyed the entire galaxy with their technology and weapons. I can post the scans if you don't believe it, but I don't have any reason to lie about this.
Minion's that good. And he's got a herald's body, adamantium-esque durability, and KK's skills backing him. You lost once underestimating him. If things don't change here, the same thing may happen again.
Originally posted by leonidas
so you WON'T be using the omni-blast like you said you would in your last post? sweet!
*sigh*
The opening attack is this:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/Page023.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/Page024.jpg
But if you come close enough to Havok with your tech to use it against us, he simply radiates outward, melting it:
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen180nj1.jpg
So you can't attack him without getting melted or dying. Period.
Originally posted by leonidas
whatever massive attack havok tries, he screws MK over with it . . . and minion.
Havok can be as specific or general as he wants with his attacks. From this:
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nexus2vr0.jpg
to this:
http://img469.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theincrediblehulkv21501bk5.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theincrediblehulkv21502hu3.jpg
So please don't try to tell me what I would and wouldn't be doing. Havok does whatever hurts your team and not mine. He's only as omni-directional as he can be, which, once we get to close quarters is as much as he wants, especially since Minion can absorb it and use it as well, and is better suited to survive it anyway.
And judges, please look at all of these scans for Havok. Collectively they show just how sickening his power really is. Leo's casual dismissal of him is, well, possibly expected but an incredibly ill-conceived approach.
Originally posted by leonidas
jefferies--ON HIS OWN--can convert matter into energy--enough to send a ship to LIGHTSPEED. you think generating the power to operate tony's event horizon bombs would be 'vague speculation'? whew . . . okey-dokey
Yes, when it's not what is needed at all. It's using a spoon to perform brain surgery. Convert matter into energy? Great. But nowhere near the level of control to create the delicate materials needed for a fission reactor. Random energy that he happens to get won't do the trick at all.
Inside a T-sphere. With about 4 different techs crushed into a grapefruit-sized metal ball.
😐
Seriously. 😐
Originally posted by leonidas
first, in your little blitz attempt, you fail to say how you avoid being depowered.
Avoid it, melt it, absorb it, thunderclap it into space, disintegrate it with anti-metal, etc. etc. I might as well use the environment and create a sandstorm as well. Just to make things easier for me to get to you, make it harder for you to hit me, and generally confuse the battlefield even more.
Originally posted by leonidas
and your anti-metal gets close enough we could always simply absorb it, or wreck it with jefferies powers.
Jeffries can wreck anti-metal pulses?
😑
News and Notes
- Minion's still a go. Don't let the base power level of this tourney fool you. I have a character who can legitimately destroy planets. And who can't be directly hit, can magically absorb energy, heal epicly, etc. etc. A few metal gadgets are pathetic in comparison. And an amped Havok, who can wreck miles of battlefield, and anything in it (characters, tech, etc.), with a thought.
- If the tech gets close enough to make a difference (if they have it all, that is), it gets melted by Havok, disintegrated by anti-metal, etc. The energy gets absorbed, used against them, and I'm better, faster, more skilled, and stronger.
- There's still woefully little justification for their plan. Parts would work, undoubtedly, but the whole of it, or even the majority, just as assuredly wouldn't.
Re: Digi's BS :p
Scoob/Leo - Post # whatever '#' this is.
Hey, not been available much over the weekend, I'll make this a response only post and add newer stuff next time.
Originally posted by illadelph12
[b]MN'er:
Similarly, take all of that from up there, then realize that he'll take the absolute best plan of action each and every time, because MNer can run millions of combat scenarios every second to produce the optimal strategy.[/B]
Yep, but Minion can't.
Midnighter's abilities aren't mental, they are a strange combination of genetic manipulation and technological implants. As you no longer have MN on your team you don't have the tech as that stuff doesn't carry from one match to the next ... and there was certainly,y no mention of you trying to rebuild the tech (though that wouldn't work anyway as it was specifically created to interface with MN's physiology)
Even if you could recreate MN's tech parts, they wouldn't register us due to Mr Terrific's abilities.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Also, Mr. Terrific's T-spheres are vulnerable to electrical attacks:
http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=terrificxz0.jpg
Which I'll exploit with the truncheon as well:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p10.jpg
Bit of a large stretch to say that a simple electrical stunner is equivalent to a meta human with poorly defined electrical powers.
Originally posted by illadelph12
[b]Super Havok[/B]
lol
Havok absorbs cosmic radiation, Firehawk has some heat based radioactive output (which you jump to the conclusion makes her a mini star)
put those things together and you came up with "Super Havok"? ...lmao, all I see is a character with two sets of similar heat based powers, redundant at best, laughable at worst.
Originally posted by illadelph12
[b]Moon Knight[/B]
Has no plane as vehicles aren't permitted in the league (which is why Fangirl couldn't use the batplane)
Judges, you can go ahead and ignore any mention of Moon Knight's plane.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Minion's half man, half machine.
Which half(s)?
Regardless, Mr Terrific renders us invisible to your tech/targeting and Spiral renders us invisible to your organics (if he even has organic eyes)
BK's ability to see through illusions doesn't see to fit, we're not casting illusions, we're just invisible.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
none of the scans suggest that either, but rather reinforce that "bio-chemical information" is fact equivalent to the soul.
So you argue that this bio-chem memory is a soul, then you transform Minion into one of the Marvels (which, as shown with your Superman scans, does cause the body to transform into a regular Marvel, regardless of who has been co-opted by Freeman & Co)
This means that you are no longer a cyborg, therefore you don't have the bio-chem memories of anyone, which means you lose the captured "souls", which means you lose the power of Shazam (and possibly get smited for your effort) and you end up back as base Minion with zero stored minds (including his regular ones form pre-tourney)
Originally posted by DigiMark007
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007kgw9
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007paw2
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007q8q4
= Minion losing everything he built up during his cyborg days.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Tech, meet anti-metal pulse.
That's a very short range weapon, which will be extremely difficult to use on an opponent you can't even see.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
We have 10 minutes of prep. By their own admission, amalgamations will take roughly 6 min. of that:So, for the math-deficient, that leaves 4 minutes. Keep that in mind.
With the remaining 4 minutes, they want you to believe that they can do ALL of the following:
Download the power sets of no less than 7 characters, none of which they bothered to prove would be in the database, or that Techno would be able to assimilate their powers.
[b]A.
B. Kang's armor. Mind you, Kang isn't amalgamated with Techno. He'd have to describe the armor to him, since a telepathic link isn't viable. Impossible in 4 minutes, or even 4 hours.
C. 6 T-spheres
D. But wait, he expects us to believe he can effortlessly meld two different kinds of tech (Stark's and Terrific's) to incorporate Stark-tech into the T-spheres, which will never be supported by evidence.
E. Adds yet another person's tech to the T-spheres, Forge's, to make them into neutralizers.
F. Kang's hologear and growing man tech[/B]
A - Yup, starting with Aurora in order to make this as quick as possible.
B - Kang's mind is now as much part of Techno as the Fixer's is.
C - For starters (we can always make more on the fly)
D - We have the minds of Techno, Tony Stark, Kang, Mr Terrific and Forge (amongst others) melding the tech together is simplicity itself.
E - See 'D'.
F - Kang's mind & base resources + super speed + technomorphic body = success.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I could just melt all of their tech by heating the air around me:
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen180bcc0.jpg
Starktech means we can easily use his heat absorption tech:
http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=absorptionnovablastpx8.jpg
Basically, whatever heat gets through our shielding is only going to make us more powerful, thanks.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'll assume Scoob's planning nefariously (see also: drinking).
😮
Originally posted by DigiMark007
The 'computer speeds' argument is a bit lost as well unless you back it up somehow.
Well ... Techno is a computer ... so .... (I don't know where else to go with that)
heh
Seriously though, the guy has a supercomputer for a brain, recently added to this is the various upgrades gleaned from the minds of the various top notch techies he has "assimilated" (Tony Stark, Kang, Mr Terrific, Forge, etc)
Also first hand examinations of the the very latest in Iron Man and Kang armours, along with the semi-futuristic liquid metal tech employed by Kane and Weapon X.
All schematics are stored within Techno and can be replicated at any time.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Anyway, my character can keep up with Flash:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-17.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-18.jpg
By "keep up" are you referring to the part where Flash stood perfectly still and let himself get sucker-punched?
Originally posted by DigiMark007
You have Jeffries power set, not his experiences. Saying he can build something means nothing if Techno is not as knowledgeable and proficient as Madison is with it.
Forge's power allows for a certain intuitive understanding of this sort of thing super-speed supercomputers allow for precision calculations and power employment.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Btw, who exactly gives your team Mach 10
Aurora (same way we got Jeffries powers ... which you already conceded)
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Stark's reaction are based on his internal Extremis nanites, which you don't have.
Stark is human, the nanites increase his speed by making him part machine, we don't require that crutch .... also we have Aurora.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Inside a T-sphere. With about 4 different techs crushed into a grapefruit-sized metal ball.
We have the minds of a few experts in nano-technology ... size isn't an issue.
It still only justifies 1 of about 7 power sets, with the rest being speculative pending further evidence.
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3051/dl2ht6.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8481/dl1ld4.jpg
You have Jeffries power set, not his experiences. Saying he can build something means nothing if Techno is not as knowledgeable and proficient as Madison is with it.
so now he knows we have it, so he says experience is a problem. 🙄 we have the minds of several of the smartest beings in marvel (and the third smartest man in dc) in our amalgam and one being who is very familar with his powerset because he can essentially do . . . THE SAME THING!
for techno, schematics=tech
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/876/10schematicsun8.jpg
so, using the powers would NOT be issue IN ANY WAY. like stark or kang couldn't figure out our to use it anyway . . . someone is getting desperate . . . 😗
4 minutes, meshing exotic tech together in the hopes that it would work seamlessly, with materials that require matter manipulation to create a fission reactor. Pray tell, how does a T-sphere contain a fission reactor? Or how do you go about making one, aside from speculating based on an unrelated Jeffries feat? Round hole, square peg.
like i said, that "4 mins" would be an eternity to forge, whose mind would be capable of feats like this:
techno processing/multitasking:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9686/29multitaskfb4.jpg
so, we have TWO characters who can instantly fashion complex tech from nothing more than a set of plans placed in their minds. on top of that, we have the actual MINDS of the inventors of the tech. on top of that, those minds are being employed by a near-lightspeed supercomputer AND we have a mutant whose mind is ALSO working at near lightspeed with the power to make any mechanical device better INTUITIVELY.
beyond that, we have just demonstrated that we do not have to perform all our tasks sequentially--with techno's MULTITASKING ABILITY we could easily perform all the feats SIMULTANEOUSLY, giving the full 4mins to EACH TASK! oh, and did i forget to mention that and we've given all of them access to a CITY-SIZED version of the best tech imagineable?
i think we can safely say we got things wll covered. 🙂
If I had the ludicrous level of proof for Minion that leo has for his plans, I would've been forced to give up Minion weeks ago.
speaking of . . . that scan we showed of A RECORDING summoning the power of shazam, speaks once again to the importance of SPEAKING the word. now everyone needs to understand what digi is doing. he's absorbing the souls of the marvel's then saying shazam--ONE TIME--and expecting to get all the powers of EACH MARVEL. but it has been stated over and over in comics, on websites and in handbooks that for each to gain the power, EACH must SPEAK the name.
http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=voicesm4.jpg
(since digi used kingdom come in our first match, thought i'd continue--there are other continuity scans, but it is common knowledge the word must be SPOKEN for the power to be called)
clearly (as our scan shows irrefutably) it is FREDDY'S VOICE that is of primary importance. the recording played FREDDY'S VOICE, the lightning came and struck FREDDY'S body.
so, with that in mind, i once again ask--how does MINION'S VOICE summon the power of all 3? what proof is there that ONE lightning bolt would be enough to empower all THREE beings inside digi? and if ONE lightning bolt isn't enough, how it is that when a SECOND lightning bolt is summoned by the next marvel to say shazam, that the FIRST power isn't removed?
he seems to want to say all 3 speak at once in his mind and WITH MINION'S VOICE, and with one bolt all THREE get their full power. proof?? or he might be saying that each subsequent bolt is somehow different and thus would NOT negate the previously summoned power. again, proof?
over and over it has been shown that if they can't SPEAK THE WORD, they can't GET THE POWER.
oh, and since we can do it--robogod for the hell of it, will search through his databases (blessed multitasking) to see if he can find a recording of freddy's or mary's voice then BROADCAST it as loudly as he can . . . heh it's possible the t-spheres (via the checkmate database) would HAVE these recordings, as batman did. if we find a recording, he even more screwed than he ALREADY is.
And KK's skill combined with MN'ers calculative ability, meaning that we'll never be in a bad position in this fight.
except that you didn't USE that ability--at all and as scoob says you don't have the tech for it. regardless, you arrived in a group, smack dab in the middle of our little death trap. from there, there IS no 'best position' for you . . . you came in without a plan and think that just because you have MN that you can magically get out of it? heh they just do what you tell them to and you told them to ignore a plan and just rely on your 'we're tougher than you' strategy. i'm sure MN was thrilled with that choice. 😄
That said, the absorption is more than enough to soak up nearly anything you send at us, and use it against you.
except you can't absorb anything cuz you've been depowered, and even if you weren't you can't absorb a black hole . . . and no energy you can use would get through our shields or harm our holographic kang.
The picoseconds thing was how long it took the tech to analyze the signal, not how long it took to act. Besides, Stark's reaction are based on his internal Extremis nanites, which you don't have.
it demonstates processing speeds. i love how when you had him it was used to show reaction speed though . . .
Selective memory. I still have this:
http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imreaction1sr7.jpgYou're not going to disprove that Tony has sick reaction times, because, well, he does.
heh. digi's own words. and actually we DO have tony's tech. we got it last match when we actually had tony himself on our team and he meshed all his tech with ours. oops. and now we have BETTER--a LOT better . . .
anything tony can do, we can do better. a LOT better. 😉
The opening attack is this:
wow . . . that will do . . . nothing at all. we are all shielded and we are 0.5km away. you'd have to find us first then shoot. we are shielded and have ludicrously fast computer reflexes. we port the spheres around you the instant the match starts. they find you and you die in a depowered, mangled mess.
Yes, when it's not what is needed at all. It's using a spoon to perform brain surgery. Convert matter into energy? Great. But nowhere near the level of control to create the delicate materials needed for a fission reactor. Random energy that he happens to get won't do the trick at all.
LOL
ALL weapons have crazy delicate parts! the weapons techno materializes all have 'delicate' parts. seriously. call me crazy but i think kang/tony/forge/techno would be able to figure it out . . . LOL
Jeffries can wreck anti-metal pulses?
no, but he can wreck the device emitting it. and if a rock and block of ice can stop anti-metal radiation, what in the name of all that is hole makes you think for a SECOND that it could get through our shields??? 😑
Minion's still a go.
but without the marvel powers . . .
Don't let the base power level of this tourney fool you. I have a character who can legitimately destroy planets.
i know, that's like your favourite thing to say. but, who cares? in general, planet's don't have you completely out-planned and usually don't fight back.
we both arrive 0.5km apart. our spheres target and shoot, depowering him. at that point, it's over. they beams were DESIGNED TO WIPE OUT A PLANETFUL OF MAGIC-USERS. his weapons (which cannot block 3 SIMULTANEOUS BEAMS anyway . . .) are rendered useless. havok is depowered as well and so is MK. then the black hole hit and he dies.
can anyone POSSIBLY think that he can find us, find the spheres, understand what is happening and destroy ALL SIX SPHERES THAT SURROUND them before the spheres simply SHOOT??
the spheres are controlled by our THOUGHTS. our thoughts are HUNDREDS of times faster than his reaction times. as they are trying to figure our where we are, they are depowered, simple as.
nwoot
