League of Champions Semi-Finals: #2 Digi Vs. #3 Leo/Scoob

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Digi Post #9

Abstract

Judges.

You've heard many of the same arguments from myself and my opponents. We change them around to make them fresh, but it's the same ideas. It's more than likely that whatever opinion you have as you read this line, will be the one you maintain in your vote. So, I thought I'd provide something different. If nothing else, it will be fun.

Imo, the hardest thing to do with matches of this magnitude and complexity is the visualization aspect of it. Actually "seeing" the battle as the debaters see it. So what follows is a narrative visualization. No quotes, counter-points, etc. It's the battle as it plays in my head.

One quick note. Throughout the narrative, I will assume nearly the best of Scoob and leo's team. Meaning, I'll include the black hole bombs, nullifier rays, reversal spells, everything. I do not, however, believe all of those to be viable. You have seen the evidence for and against it. I think much of it is completely ridiculous, and have provided my reasoning for it. But I'd be a fool to simply assume that you will agree with me on all points. I hope you do, but you need not. With luck, I can show you how I'd win anyway.

Similarly, Midnighter's skills will not be used. I have them, and it's legal, but I want to show how even in a worst-case scenario, the battle can still be decisively in my favor.

So enjoy.

Narrative

The dune shifts imperceptibly over time, its undulations marked only by the sun, moon, and wind that shapes it. It ceases to be singular, for it rolls into the next, then becomes its own again briefly, uncaring. After centuries, a small tremor disturbs its tired dance, as small figures appear at a distance. Blurred by waves of heat, the figures dot the landscape insignificantly. For a moment. Then all changes.

Havok's blast comes simultaneously with the appearance, the aura around him already formidable and magnificent. A canyon of sand is formed, stories high, as his energy tears up a swath wider than the eye can take in all at once, engulfing all but his teammates, who stand alongside him.

Moon Knight flies off, waiting for an opportunity, cloaked and hiding in cloud cover generated by the plane.

More happens than words can keep up with. Paragraphs become nanoseconds. Within the opening tenths, Minion has run through more combat scenarios than all of us combined, even with our long debates. Midnighter? Nay. Hundreds of minds, all skilled, the master of all martial arts (KK) among them. He dives into the ground, before an energy blast could even hope to reach us. Cutting a chunk of earth out the size of a city, he crashes upwards with it moments later, hurling mountains at the enemy.

He dives down again instantly, having the speed to dodge lightning, perceive any weakness, any flaw, having the strength to move mountains, destroy planets. He beds himself beneath the enemy, unseen. "Shazam!" he calls out. Magic lightning courses into the enemy and their shields aboveground. "Shazam! Shazam! SHAZAM!" his calls are relentless. Unseen yet attacking with the force of gods, shields and defenses are gone, the enemy charred.

Yet, time being what it is in this contest of titans, I must backtrack. For as Havok's blast rings out, as Minion dives down to begin his assault, the t-spheres register us. Their blasts sing out but, unprotected, they fall victim to Havok's energy field. Blasts hit simultaneously, Minion already gone, and Havok is perhaps momentarily stunned. Yet his city-destroying blast has felled any unprotected spheres that dared attack. His attack begins anew, never ceasing, the power of a small sun at his command.

The balls are commanded to teleport near Havok. They do so. But once there they cannot function, caught in the brilliant energy aura and destroyed. Havok appears as though a sun on the battlefield. Craters begin to form around his being, the size of skyscrapers, as matter disintegrates within his field. He hovers, blinding all and raining energy in all directions.

The spheres are commanded to teleport to Minion, who cannot be found. Their sensors can detect him as he darts in and out of the earth, but the physical motion of one so skilled cannot be tracked and predicted. Their bombs explode harmlessly, as he is far away when they detonate, and their rays carom harmlessly off of sand as he disappears in a blur of skill and calculation.

Havok's energy continue to pour into them. The shields, impossibly, hold, but leaves them impotent to attack, trapped behind them. The spheres cannot be detonated close enough to him to do damage, and are destroyed when moved too close to him.

With Spiral's reversal spell in full affect, energy bounds madly in all directions from all sides, being absorbed and redirected. Miles of earth are vaporized, nothing can move but they are inundated with subatomic superheated plasmic energy. Havok repels his own blasts as they must repel them as well. But, slowly, eventually, the spell begins to fade. Havok, amped, does not fade, grows stronger and bolder. His glow can be seen from space, indeed even felt from space as the aura extends miles upward in a blinding glare.

Nullifier rays continue to miss their mark, t-spheres cannot track Minion and cannot approach Havok. "SHAZAM! SHAZAM!" the incessant cries come. Lightning engulfs the already chaotic scene. It is replaced with earth-shattering punches, with a razor sharp blade and skills that cannot quantified in mere words. The shields adapt, the t-spheres scramble madly for purchase. The bladed warrior adapts as well, changing his energy attack's frequency to pierce the shields, all the while flying madly, impossibly about, varying his attacks with pinpoint precision that can only come about when one is versed in hundreds of form of martial arts and tactics.

Energy is absorbed in droves, redirected and used on both sides. Only the strongest, most durable, and well-protected survive. Despite BK's energy absorption, Minion is constantly healing and moving to stay alive. Nothing can hit him directly (Judomaster), most energy is absorbed and redirected, but the battle is so intense that even gods are injured.

Technology is created at an insane pace to compensate. The enemy, nowhere near the same level of reflexes and speed (Aurora-less, the one debating point that I won't allow them, even in a hypothetical situation, because of how ridiculous and completely unproven it is), creates a myriad defenses and attacks. Some are useful, others less so. All the while: "SHAZAM!" and the barrage of energy and earthquake-inducing punches continue.

The electrical storm and energy short out the t-spheres entirely, whose electrical vulnerability is well documented (and proven).

Those combatants not already dead are melting in the anti-metal aura, their entire team employing tech of some sort. None can even come near Minion for fear of this fate.

Stark-tech is employed, along with Forge's PIS genius, and others join in. They maintain speed equality, finally able to compete with Minion. But their skill is lacking, even if their speed matches. Karate Kid toys with them, as a black belt might with a child. He sees the battle as a playground, his skills effortlessly complimenting his every thought and action. Minion moves as a blur, thoughts matching action every step of the way, the Wisdom of Solomon combining with KK's skill to form quite possibly the most perfect blend of fighting acumen ever assembled.

Moon Knight attacks, a wave of magnetic energy from the Angelwing further damning the technology and metal, as explosions and gas flood the ever-intensifying scene. The plane dive bombs into the enemy, Moon Knight safely outside, hurling explosives and adamantium darts at the already-beleaguered foe.

Desperately, the bombs continue to go off. But, as close to their team as mine, they affect both equally, and mine not at all because I'm more mobile. Technology continues to be made. Anti-magic bubbles pop up from their tech randomly in the hope of finding an enemy. Havok continues to rain a storm of death upon them, totally lost within his own blaze. Nothing can come within miles of him without being disintegrated, and he continues to grow stronger.

A hole the size of a state sits in the wake of the battle. Sand is crystallized and vaporized as it finally comes to a close. Havok continues shining long after there is a need for it. Minion throws chunks of enemy into space to prevent them from healing. Moon Knight tea-bags them.

End

A scans post follows this shortly, to reinforce everything I'm saying. I'll get to all relevant points from Scoob's last post in my 10th and final post, as well as those from their 10th, depending on the order we go in.

Thank you for reading. I hope it was fun, and perhaps a bit enlightening.

Unofficial Post

Writer’s Note

I hope the melodrama in the above post matches the idiom of this match. Normally I prefer understatement in my writing, but I felt it was justified for the occasion. Under the circumstances, it just seemed awesome.

If nothing else, I hope you get a sense of scope of what we've created, and what is constantly created in tourneys. I'm always in awe of such spectacle, not simply for the size, for any hack writer can create a large battle. But the nuance and complexity mixed with the power, and the fact that we created it together. The debate is part of the story here, and makes the dance so much more fulfilling than if it were only a battle. Leo and Scoob quite obviously have a different view than I do. But the same attacks are present, the same characters and powers. To me, the outcome is obvious. I hope it is to you as well.

Scoob, leo, a pleasure as always. I'm playing to win, so I wish you no luck, but you have my thanks for a fight well-fought.

And speaking of melodramatic awesomeness...my playoff rock anthem:

YouTube video

Scans-Only Post #2

Anything pertinent to the above post is below, including the reiteration of the Minion Prime scans, and anything else that you may need refreshed on.

Some is reiteration, some are new. Please go through whatever you don’t remember vividly. Skip it if you've seen it, but please browse through the stuff that is new to you. Thanks.

🙂

Minion

He downloads only biological information ("bio-chemical program"😉:
http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00ja5.jpg

But has the entire person inside him. Thus, bio-chemical information equals minds and souls for our purposes.
http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh1dx2.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh2nz5.jpg
or
http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh3we0.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh4rp8.jpg
or
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh17ar2.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh18uq9.jpg
or
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh23zw7.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh24qd9.jpg

And the power still works in a new host body
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007kgw9
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007paw2
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007q8q4

So it works, and has been ruled legal at every step, through every challenge.

His durability vs. adamantium
http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=41mh1.jpg
and against a nuke:
http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h1xu6.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h2ap1.jpg
http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h3xa4.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h4tj8.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h5in7.jpg

Healing:
http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=die1hh0.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=die2bd8.jpg

Changes blast frequency to bypass a tech-based shield against a person from thousands of years in the future:
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3zz4.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p4su1.jpg

Havok

Omni-directional blasts
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nexus2vr0.jpg
or
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen180nj1.jpg

Durability:
http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vscollussosle4.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vscollussos1uu3.jpg

His blasts can easily penetrate well into space, giving a sense of scope to his power
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xf100in7.jpg
http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xf100bys9.jpg

Directional blast, still with an insane radius
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/Page023.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/Page024.jpg

Holding back a black hole
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/tenchi_xmen159_p05.jpg

And sun-dipped (amped) vs. Vulcan. This is more like the level I'll have him at, due to Firehawk's amp
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0001hj0.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0002tc1.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0003wl8.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0004df3.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0005oq2.jpg

Black Knight

Can see through all deceptions, physical or otherwise:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/BKSeesMagic2.jpg
and
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/BKSeesMagic1.jpg

Absorbs kinetic energy
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/BlackKnight-WreckingCrew.jpg
Uh..."energy" energy
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/caaacc4d.jpg
or
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/AntiMindvs.jpg
And magical powers as well
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/BKvs.jpg

Which would mean Spiral's vaunted attacks could be absorbed and redirected as well.

Judomaster

Nothing can hit her (Minion via the mesh) directly
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=judo1qc9.jpg
http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=judo2tq5.jpg
and
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=judo3ad5.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=judo4lx8.jpg
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=judo5zm8.jpg
and
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=judo6hl3.jpg

Moon Knight

Angelwing's magnetic powers to mess with their tech
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p12.jpg

Gas bombs so they can't breath
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/mk49_04.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/mk49_05.jpg

Anti-metal pulse, which would wreck their entire team. All I need to do is be in the same area as them:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/mk48_01.jpg
and
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/MS-MoonKnight51-14.jpg
and
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/mk49_18.jpg
and
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/mk49_19.jpg
and
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/MarcSpectorMoonKnight551993Angrybad.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/MarcSpectorMoonKnight551993Angry-1.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/MarcSpectorMoonKnight551993Angry-2.jpg

Karate Kid

If this doesn’t convince you that Karate Kid provides the skills/reactions we need to do everything I say I can and MORE, I don't know what will
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/LSH111-14.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/LSH111-18.jpg

Karate Kid shattering diamond with human strength
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure_365-16.jpg

Hitting a Flash
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-17.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-18.jpg

Break Inerton, DC's adamantium
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/LSuperboyLSH231-28.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/LSuperboyLSH231-30.jpg

Can detect weaknesses in a forcefield
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Legionnaires-022-08.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Legionnaires-022-15.jpg
or any structure
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/titanslsh4-20.jpg

Scoob/Leo: Post #10

Just wanted to go over anything recent I might have missed when I skimmed through last time.

Originally posted by Digi
I wouldn't get their powers but their knowledge and processes, and whatever abilities came along with that.

He downloads only biological information ("bio-chemical program"😉:
http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00ja5.jpg

All of which excludes Midnighter's technological upgrades, which is the entire source of his post-human abilities.

Originally posted by Digi
I have classic Mary and Freddy, to avoid controversy over possible recent powerups.

And we've already shown that they can be depowered easily:

If you're powered up, you get this:

If you power up again, we can easily repeat, or more simply record you and do this:

There is no way you can effectively use the Marvel's powers against us.

Originally posted by Digi
One of the sources of power (BA, Shazam, etc.) blocking access to their power would be considered outside intervention, and is thus illegal to argue on behalf of. They have access to their power under normal circumstances, so that couldn't change without outside intervention, which again is illegal

Accessing there power would also be outside intervention in the match then, being as you didn't actually draft them onto your team this time around.

Originally posted by Digi
I could also, ya know, stick my shield into the field and just absorb it

bye bye shield:

http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=subspaceny2.jpg

If it can happen to Mjolnir it can definitely happen to BK's weapons ... only this time we wont be "allowing" the weapon to return.

So ..... you've lost any benefit from Shazam's powers, lost the benefits of Midnighter's "fight enhancements" and thrown away your best chance of defending yourself, not the greatest position you've been in in this tourney.

Originally posted by Digi
*long winded post that points out one thing ... Digi just became a fanboy of himself*

Fan Fiction? OF YOUR OWN CREATIONS?!?!?!?

SERIOUSLY??!!!???

This is like reading Red Hulk Vs Thor (part one) all over again ... You are such a.... LOEB!!!

Like we needed a whole post dedicated to telling us a tourney participant thinks his team wins the match he's debating.

heh

Just remember that when Loeb finally sobered up (or came down) he remembered how badly Thor would pwn Hulk ... don't let Digi's own "Rulk" con you like the real thing conned thousands of Hulk fanboys worldwide.

PS, all that 'SHAZAMing' in your little story is worthless as offense as we'd have to be directly between the source of the lightning and you ... you're underground and we are invisible teleporters, all it's really doing is providing us with our recording, enabling us to f**k with your overly hyped powers whenever we want.

😛

Well, I think that covers everything that warrants a response, if I missed anything out it (obviously) wasn't intentional.

I suppose all that's left is a brief summation of why we honestly believe we won this match.

1) We've shown multiple superhuman speed sources and reaction feats, from Techno multi-tasking, Stark's hyper speed fighting (when disembodied - as he is now) Spiral's speedster tagging and teleporting, the ability to download power sets known to Weapon X (which includes Aurora's)

2) We've shown our technological prowess in the form of Techno being able to alter his body at will, Kane possessing liquid metal tech, Forge being able to envision and build any tool for almost any job, Madison Jefferies power to alter any piece of tech to any other piece of tech with a thought, Kang's extensive knowledge and resources and the minds of Tony Stark, Mr Terrific and a few other geniuses.

Combine the two and we can create any weapon/shield/device known to man up to and including periods 2000 years into the future, as well as the intuitive and virtually instantaneous ability to generate new tools/weapons for any new threats that emerge as the match progresses.

Our base level shields can (and have been shown to) take continuous abusive assault from the combined attacks of the most powerful Avengers ... characters like Thor, who could take out "Minion Prime" all by himself, couldn't even put a dent in our defences.

We have shown multiple options for nullifying our enemies most powerful options - the two Marvel pwning options already shown in this post as well as the tech Kang used to switch Thor back to Blake against his will, Forge's nullifier, Spiral's power reversal & the Scarab's various anti-magic options (all of which have been backed up by scans throughout this match)

With all of these options, Death's Head II is back to his most basic levels at best, far more likely is that the power neutraliser will shut him down completely after his other powers have been stripped.

Even at base level can he stand up to the relatively simple weapons Kang's prison guards used to "pacify" someone like Wonderman?

Doubtful (especially as the power nullifying tech eliminates Judo Master's PIS field)

1. http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wm1qg0.jpg
2. http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wm2hs4.jpg

Maybe it was a power nullfier, maybe it just pwned him, either way, we have it (along with countless other weapons)

I was considering doing a "Scan Only" post after this, but as we've already posted scans to back up everything I don't really think it would be needed at this point.

Instead You get this.

YouTube video

You're Worf in that scenario.

😛

Digi Post #10

Concluding Points

- Dude, my fan-fiction f-ing rocked, Scoob, and you know it.

uhuh

More seriously, we've been going back and forth in the normal manner for a while now. It was something new, and hopefully helped the judges with the visualization aspect of my strategy. It wasn't to toot my own horn (that's what all of our posts here are for) it was to help them understand my point of view.

- More to the point, I didn't see a formal rebuttal of my plan if I can do everything that I am claiming. My plan is FAR more likely than theirs, and = more power when pulled off correctly.

- New (Awesome) Tactic
I like to rummage through my scans before my last post to see if I missed something. Usually, I have:
The truncheon that was given to Minion by Moon Knight? It can shut down tech by emitting a counter-frequency:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/marcspectormoonknightv3_045_06.jpg
Holy balls, kids. Yet another way that their stupid little spheres of (supposed) doom are next to worthless against me

- If they synthesize any of our voices with the spheres, it will call down transformative lightning. But hell, I'm doing that anyway to attack them with it, since it packs a wallop and can short out the t-spheres (vulnerable to electrical attacks). So it will help me. And then I'll just call them back again. So heck, believe that part. It actually HELPS me.

- I don’t believe Judomaster's contribution to this fight has been properly explicated. ANY attacks directed at me can't hit me, due to her aversion field. Is a negation ray aimed at me? It'll miss. Sorry, try again. Is any blast of energy, any punch, directed at Minion. Whoops, try again. He can't be hit. Read it again if you need to. And it's not hype, hyperbole, or anything else. It's her very power set, amalgamated with Minion.

- Target and drain me? Remember:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/LSH111-14.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/LSH111-18.jpg

- Please look at these scans....along those same lines, here's a brand new insane scan of KK:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Karate%20Kid/JLA10-17ThePyre-LegionBoy.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Karate%20Kid/JLA10-18ThePyre-LegionBoy.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Karate%20Kid/JLA10-25ThePyre-LegionBoy.jpg
Dudes. Seriously. If that doesn't convince you that they are ALL moving in slow motion compared to me, nothing will.

- They seemed to keep playing the Midnighter tune during that last post, despite the fact that Karate Kid gives me more than enough skills to destroy them. Still, Minion can assimilate machines:
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=110yw4.jpg
So, um, yeah. Information is information. Souls are information, data is information, mind patterns, memories, all of it is the same. Minion assimilates it all.

- They can teleport. I can teleport:
http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12jq0.jpg
And since we weren't sure if that was his powers or AIM HQ:
http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bt22hm9.jpg
...which confirms that the teleportation tech is his own (the 2nd was after he split from AIM). One less advantage for them.

- That scan I asked for of t-spheres doing ANYTHING that would warrant them saying they can keep up with super-speeds? They never showed one. IT DOESN'T EXIST! AND THE SPHERES ARE IN SLOW-MOTION COMPARED TO ME.

- If you'll notice, my last two posts are mainly about MY team, not debunking their post. I can beat them under any circumstances, with nearly any set of decisions from the judges going against me. Hopefully my earlier story showed how this is possible. I think you should believe Minion Prime. Many have, and Scoob/leo's debunking is lazier than most. I think you should believe Midnighter (justification above). I think they'd perform some of their plan admirably, but not all of it. Somewhere in the insanity they had too many tech-ideas for their own good, and it’s too complex for it ever to work. My team, on the other hand, gives them all the tools and power they need without much fanfare, and simply uses it.

- As such, if you're skeptical on both plans for whatever reasons, one thing is certain: mine’s more likely to go off without a hitch, because it's much simpler. Don't mistake "simple" for "one-dimensional" though. It's every bit as diverse as their's. But not as needlessly complex. Run this battle 10 times, and at least in 3-4 of them they fall on their ass from some complication due to their tech.

Final Rebuttals

Originally posted by Scoobless
The reversal OVERRIDES YOUR NATURAL IMMUNITY TO YOUR ABILITIES, EXACTLY as it did to angie and to phoenix in the scans i posted. havok wouldn't be able to reabsorb the attack anymore than angie.

I saw their power get turned back on them, yes. Nowhere is it mentioned that it overrides their natural immunity to their own powers. For all we know (the far more likely scenario) they simply aren't immune to their own powers. Some people can be hurt when their own blasts are repelled.

If the scans offered any evidence that your theory is right, you might have a point. As it is, you're guessing wildly in order to negate my counter to this tactic. It doesn't work.

Originally posted by Scoobless
I'd LOVE to know how you came up with that 'hour'.

Sure. I took the 4 minutes of prep that you have and multiplied it by the 24 screens leo's scan has him on. IF the scan actually proves he can perform 24 separate mental operations, instead of just viewing them (it is very ambiguous) 4x24 = 96. More like an hour and a half. But still ridiculously less than the days leo claimed you guys had in relative time.

Originally posted by Scoobless
1) havok has NO WAY TO SEE US (we ARE invisble to him, regardless of what you think minion sees)

Doubtful. But even if it's true, it's irrelevant. Nothing Havok does requires precise knowledge of the enemy’s location. Read through my battle description if you need proof. And since Minion can see you (can magically see through any deception with BK) it won't be hard to find the world-destroying cyborg and attack in the same general direction.

Originally posted by Scoobless
3) no logical way he would know that he needed an omniblast

Combatants do whatever we tell them to, within their power sets. If I say Havok cascades you with vaporizing energy, that's exactly what he does. And how is it not logical to use a powerful attack in battle?

Originally posted by Scoobless
4) no chance he can use an omniblast that would emit in a 0.5km radius without unleashing some MEGA blast that would kill MK outright and possibly harm (certainly stun) minion.

Minion's gone as soon as the match starts. And he can absorb the energy if he needs to and use it as another weapon against you.

Originally posted by Scoobless
5) at least part of any omniblast would be reflected at him and ko him.

Not if he can reflect energy as well (shown and proven) has excellent durability (shown and proven) and is immune to his own powers (don't have the scan, but it's common knowledge and often used as a plot device in X-Men along with Cyclops's immunity to it as well).

Originally posted by Scoobless
How do you disable all 6 spheres that have you surrounded before they target and depower you . . . mary wasn’t fast enough to avoid being ko’d by the omac in the scan below.

Mary wasn't emitting enough energy to vaporize cities in the OMAC's direction.

Originally posted by Scoobless
as he has done throughout, digi is VASTLY overestimating his travel speed. mach 10 is SLOW-MOTION compared to the ability of a supercomputer to target and fire.

And you're forgetting that it's my reaction time with KK and others that means you'll never be able to predict or hit me.

Ending

They must not have read the fan-fic ( 😎 ). Dorky? Yes. But we're in a comic tourney. This entire enterprise is dorky beyond words. It's awesome. As is my fan-fic. And the fact is, if you believe even half of my plan, it's more than enough to defeat them. Like I said, they have some fancy tech-balls that have the durability of my computer. I have gods, and about a dozen ways to destroy them effortlessly. Tech negation with the pulse, anti-metal, absorption, straight-up more raw power, faster, more skills, far better reflexes, all to put a straight-up whupping on their shoddily-put-together squad of wannabe tech wizards.

Also, Scoob, I'm fine being Worf. But I'm dubbing this kid as your online youtube avatar:
YouTube video

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Anyway. Good match guys. And thanks to delph and the judges.

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I know.

I know...

Judge's Vote (1 of 3)


Badabing wrote on Dec 24th, 2008 03:35 PM:
This will be short as it's Christmas Eve.

Prep - I made the assumption that everything in the prep was feasible. Yeah, it was a leap of faith but the multiple posts back and forth did nothing to sway me.

The actual debate was little more than some fine tuning of points and counterpoints about prep and such.

To be honest, this match isn't what I expected. Leo and Scoobs seemed to off and on through the tourny while Digi was tearing it up. However, from the start, Leo and Scoobs had the prep advantage here which had been Digi's strong suit. I just didn't see Digi overcoming the T Spheres with black hole bombs and neutralizers given that team Leo/Scoobs at least have the same speed. I wasn't convinced that Digi would be able to get the anti-metal weapon ,or much of his offense, in range or past their defenses before his team got caught up in the crossfire of team Leo/Scoobs.

My Vote: Leo/Scoobs

Judge's Vote (2 of 3)


Raoul wrote on Dec 28th, 2008 02:13 PM:
Digi Vs. Leo/Scoob

Ok... Basically: I don't agree with the Marvel thing purely because i really don't know enough to know which is correct, and neither argument really convinced me. Also, there's the fact that some of the things being used to classify souls were things that i disagreed with on a fundamental level. Even when i take it as its intended, it still doesnt convince me, so it's a no go, imo.

Now, otherwise...

Trying to keep this short, as i spent way too much time reading, and christmas in my house doesn't give me a lot of time to sit down and write big, long winded explanations (i still cant believe i wrote so much for the other match).

anyways:

i think, that while digi might be right about leo/scoob's team not being fast enough (though i don't think its quite the handicap he says it is), he's putting FAR too much responsibility on havok's shoulders. i'd like to pretend that i'd never heard of havok before, but given how much of the guy i've read, to be honest, i think digi far overstates what the man is capable of.

i vote for Leo/Scoob, but only barely.