Can Doomsday survive the godblast?

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
I'm just saying that the entire book was filled with PIS. No one were being written properly. Unless you consider Wonder Man > Kyle Rayner?

Regular non-xover books are full of PIS. People need to stop scapegoating xovers for whatever they disagree with.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
That's not true though, I've changed my opinion regarding a mass of characters here, especially DC characters. But yeah, there's no way either of us will change our opinion here.

I've always liked Thor...but the GB isn't that impressive IMO. We tend to agree more than disagree, so I still respect your opinion dude.

Originally posted by Avlon
Regular non-xover books are full of PIS. People need to stop scapegoating xovers for whatever they disagree with

Yeah, I tend to avoid them by simply not using them in discussions.

Originally posted by Avlon
I've always liked Thor...but the GB isn't that impressive IMO. We tend to agree more than disagree, so I still respect your opinion dude.

Good stuff.

You always bring valid points to the discussion, it's not easy when disagreeing D:

Originally posted by Avlon
Regular non-xover books are full of PIS. People need to stop scapegoating xovers for whatever they disagree with.

I've always liked Thor...but the GB isn't that impressive IMO. We tend to agree more than disagree, so I still respect your opinion dude.

What more must it do to be impressive to you Avy?

Rend a hole in reality the size of a galaxy?

Blow up the earth?

If breaking the dome of a being who dismisses the most powerful skyfather in comics, imprisoning universes, and sealing off realities isn't impressive to you, then what is?

Originally posted by UniOmni
What more must it do to be impressive to you Avy?

Rend a hole in reality the size of a galaxy?

Blow up the earth?

If breaking the dome of a being who dismisses the most powerful skyfather in comics, imprisoning universes, and sealing off realities isn't impressive to you, then what is?

Originally posted by UniOmni
What more must it do to be impressive to you Avy?

Rend a hole in reality the size of a galaxy?

Blow up the earth?

If breaking the dome of a being who dismisses the most powerful skyfather in comics, imprisoning universes, and sealing off realities isn't impressive to you, then what is?

Had it stopped or scared off even an averagely fed Galactus, it would have been great.

Should it actually have defeated Juggy, instead of momentarily slow him (let's not pretend Juggy hasn't been stopped or defeated before) it would have been more impressive.

The celestial thing was the most impressive of the bunch, still, it did nothing but minor cosmetic damage. Still impressive, but hardly the end all feat it's being made out to be.

Originally posted by Avlon
The celestial thing was the most impressive of the bunch, still, it did nothing but minor cosmetic damage. Still impressive, but hardly the end all feat it's being made out to be.

Compare the damage dealt by the godblast to the damage dealt by his anti-matter blast.

Originally posted by Avlon
Had it stopped or scared off even an averagely fed Galactus, it would have been great.

Should it actually have defeated Juggy, instead of momentarily slow him (let's not pretend Juggy hasn't been stopped or defeated before) it would have been more impressive.

The celestial thing was the most impressive of the bunch, still, it did nothing but minor cosmetic damage. Still impressive, but hardly the end all feat it's being made out to be.

Juggs is still practically invulnerable. The Celestial thing is unbelievably impressive. The Durok feat is also quite impressive as Thor was taxed before this and managed to defeat him with this one shot.....some might refer to this as a godblast. It isnt the most powerful attack in all of comics but it is th emost impressive top tier attack I can think of.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus ended the war against the a-wave by himself when he was much weaker than when Thor used it against him. He took out three star systems and turned the tide.

Juggs is still practically invulnerable. The Celestial thing is unbelievably impressive. The Durok feat is also quite impressive as Thor was taxed before this and managed to defeat him with this one shot.....some might refer to this as a godblast. It isnt the most powerful attack in all of comics but it is th emost impressive top tier attack I can think of.

If the GB is powerful enough to stop DD the first time regardless of the incarnation then it should be able to stop Juggs. Juggs durability is powered by a single mid - low level skyfather.

Originally posted by Allankles
If the GB is powerful enough to stop DD the first time regardless of the incarnation then it should be able to stop Juggs. Juggs durability is powered by a single mid - low level skyfather.

Originally posted by Allankles
Juggs durability is powered by a single mid - low level skyfather.

What the bloody ****?

No...Cyttorak is a multi-dimensional Elder God.

Originally posted by Enyalus
What the bloody ****?

No...Cyttorak is a multi-dimensional Elder God.

You have proof of this? Odin is an elder god too and his son Thor shares the same mother as Cyttorak. There's nothing I know that puts Cyttorak in the mutlidimensional level, if anything he was part of an ancient earth based pantheon of gods.

Originally posted by Mindset
How do you know Cytorrak is mid-low skyfather?

Originally posted by Mindset

Originally posted by Allankles
You have proof of this? Odin is an elder god too and his son Thor shares the same mother as Cyttorak. There's nothing I know that puts Cyttorak in the mutlidimensional level, if anything he was part of an ancient earth based pantheon of gods.

I get really tired of providing "proof" all the time when people like you resort to blind assertions and call them fact.

"...a group of heretic monks sought to harness the power of the multi-dimensional deity Cyttorak."

Moreover, the thing empowering Juggernaut is simply one aspect of Cyttorak. And he has at the very least one of his own dimensions. Yet, someone like Dominus fits that bill, too. Would you ever refer to Dominus as mid to low skyfather? Hell no. It's always "universal level threat." Well, Cyttorak is multiversal.

Originally posted by Allankles
Feats. His plans and actions don't indicate he's anything above mid-low level skyfather. If you have specific feats I'm not aware of please feel free to mention them.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I get really tired of providing "proof" all the time when people like you resort to blind assertions and call them fact.

"...a group of heretic monks sought to harness the [b]power of the multi-dimensional deity Cyttorak."

Moreover, the thing empowering Juggernaut is simply one aspect of Cyttorak. And he has at the very least one of his own dimensions. Yet, someone like Dominus fits that bill, too. Would you ever refer to Dominus as mid to low skyfather? Hell no. It's always "universal level threat." Well, Cyttorak is multiversal. [/B]

That's why I stated that by feats he hasn't shown himself to be above mid tier skyfather. In fact you've reminded me that a lot of skyfathers are multidimensional, Odin, Darkseid et al. Thing is Cyttorak lacks the feats. He's struggled to overcome his own herald while trying to release himself from the crimson realm.

Originally posted by Mindset
What feats put him a mid-low skyfather?

Thing is no feats that I know of put him above that level.

Originally posted by Allankles
Thing is no feats that I know of put him above that level.

But what put him on that level?

Originally posted by Allankles
He's struggled to overcome his own herald while trying to release himself from the crimson realm.

That's because two other sorcerers cast a spell on Cain to grant him the power of the entire Crimson Dimension, making Juggernaut a hundred times stronger (literally - it says so on panel) than usual.

They used his own power against him.

Originally posted by Enyalus
That's because two other sorcerers cast a spell on Cain to grant him the power of the entire Crimson Dimension, making Juggernaut a hundred times stronger (literally - it says so on panel) than usual.

They used his own power against him.

If Cyttorrak was literally a multiversal level being, 100x normal Juggernaut should not make the slightest bit of difference.