Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Mantis, Moondragon, and, of course, Gamora are.Mandarin!? Heck no!
Who is Temugin?
Temugin is Mandarin's son.
Him and I think his father too have fought Iron Man barehanded.
Temugin did it without rings against Tony in older armour I think and the inability to fly. He kicked Tony's arse.
Let's see...
Daredevil
- superhuman senses and echolocation
- better acrobat (debatable)
- suit designed by Reed Richards which enhances his durability
- ricocheting billy clubs (plus the immobilizing cord)
Shang-Chi
- more skilled (most probably)
- Chi amping
- long range attacks (I need scans though)
Nunchaku would probably be a non-factor, I don't see it as an advantage over DD.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Shang-Chi- more skilled (most probably)
No not really didnt chi get decimated by Wolverine, didnt DD one shot Wolverine?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
- Chi amping
Blown out of proportion.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW- long range attacks (I need scans though)
Dont think he has one.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Shang-Chi fared well against Logan in Wolverine: First Class #9.
I think that was prior to the fight I was refering to. Also in that story he later admitted Wolverine was better.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And DD also got handled by Wolvie.
That was armoured DD and theres proof that armoured DD wasnt as good at h2h as DD in red.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I think that was prior to the fight I was refering to. Also in that story he later admitted Wolverine was better.That was armoured DD and theres proof that armoured DD wasnt as good at h2h as DD in red.
Yeah, you're right. It was prior to Shang's fight with Bone Claw Wolverine.
Now you are the master. - he didn't admit Logan was better though, he simply congratulated Logan on understanding his teachings (apple thing). It's my interpretation.
In Enemy of the State mind-controlled Logan manhandled DD. Matt eventually knocked him off balance, but hairy X-Man looked better in that fight, c'mon.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, you're right. It was prior to Shang's fight with Bone Claw Wolverine.Now [b]you
are the master. - he didn't admit Logan was better though, he simply congratulated Logan on understanding his teachings (apple thing). It's my interpretation. [/B]
You could see it that way, but the fact he got his arse kicked later on doesnt help your point.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
In Enemy of the State mind-controlled Logan manhandled DD. Matt eventually knocked him off balance, but hairy X-Man looked better in that fight, c'mon.
Nah man you best read it again. DD was holding his own against Wolverine and members of The Hand, to be fair though we find out he had a piece of his soul missing.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You could see it that way, but the fact he got his arse kicked later on doesnt help your point.Nah man you best read it again. DD was holding his own against Wolverine and members of The Hand, to be fair though we find out he had a piece of his soul missing.
Originally posted by jinzin
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Wolverine mentioning his attempts to resist Hydra/Hand’s orders:
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Soooo...
Zombie hand ninjas didn't seem to bother Murdock at all. One kick from Wolverine sent DD flying. DD managed to avoid just one slash. In the end he improvised and used that dumbbell. Logan wasn't even KO'd. It helped him with shrugging off mind-control.
In a real fight, he would just get up, get the blade out of his back and continue fighting. Like he always does.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You could see it that way, but the fact he got his arse kicked later on doesnt help your point.
Shang almost certainly meant Logan being the master in a philosophical.....finding oneself blah blah blah etc way. Shang actually looked very good in that fight even though Logan was striking with the flat side of his blades.I'm assuming they aren't double edged yes?
The fight where logan owned him although chronologically after the above fight, was written a while ago was it not? Shang was probably the only top tier Marvel could get away with punking like that because of his B-list status.I think this recent fight was Marvel trying to re-establish Shang in the wake of that embarrassing pwnage.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Soooo...Zombie hand ninjas didn't seem to bother Murdock at all.
So the fact it was many people plus wolverine vs DD is irrelevant. All you have to say is that they didnt seem to bother him much?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
One kick from Wolverine sent DD flying. DD managed to avoid just one slash. In the end he improvised and used that dumbbell. Logan wasn't even KO'd. It helped him with shrugging off mind-control.In a real fight, he would just get up, get the blade out of his back and continue fighting. Like he always does.
So the fact that DD was fighting many people and DD managed to chuck Wolverine and two other hand ninjas is also irrelevant? But you're making a fuss that he only dodged one blow and had to use a dumbell? 😐
Stone telling DD not to be reckless.
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dontberecklessdddx3.png
Buskwacker saying the real DD would never take a bullet.
http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddtakesabullet2nc6.png
They both indicate that the armoured DD was more wreckless and aggressive. I also think that it was also implied that DD was suffering some sort of mental breakdown.
