Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Stone telling DD not to be reckless.
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dontberecklessdddx3.png
Buskwacker saying the real DD would never take a bullet.
http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddtakesabullet2nc6.pngThey both indicate that the armoured DD was more wreckless and aggressive. I also think that it was also implied that DD was suffering some sort of mental breakdown.
Is this the instance when Typhoid Mary messed with his head?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So the fact it was many people plus wolverine vs DD is irrelevant. All you have to say is that they didnt seem to bother him much?So the fact that DD was fighting many people and DD managed to chuck Wolverine and two other hand ninjas is also irrelevant? But you're making a fuss that he only dodged one blow and had to use a dumbell? 😐
Overall, Wolverine looked superior to Matt in that fight.
And do I really have to remind you that he was mind-controlled and missing a part of his soul? 😬 It just makes Devil look worse.
Let's take a look at the other fights. Even when Ennis was writing it, Wolverine still cut Matt's billy club to pieces. He repeated it in Fallen Son. Armored DD may have not been in the peak shape, still putting him in a choke-hold is quite a feat. Especially considering the fact that Matt is an expert escapologist.
We're a bit off-topic. Does Wolverine really need to make a guest appearance in my thread?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWArmored DD may have not been in the peak shape, still putting him in a choke-hold is quite a feat. Especially considering the fact that Matt is an expert escapologist.
Not denying the feat, calling it PIS or anything like that but using it to argue for Wolverine's superiority is flawed in my opinion.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Overall, Wolverine looked superior to Matt in that fight.
Lets put it this way DD would have eventually got killed but he did well considering the cirumstances. The odds were stacked against DD thats why he looked better.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And do I really have to remind you that he was mind-controlled and missing a part of his soul? 😬 It just makes Devil look worse.
Theres no proof he was fighting mind-control at that point. Yes he was missing a piece of his sould but I dont think he was hindered by a big amount.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Let's take a look at the other fights. Even when Ennis was writing it, Wolverine still cut Matt's billy club to pieces. He repeated it in Fallen Son.
Whats wrong with you today? He cut his baton but the fact that DD one-shoted him is irrelevant?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Armored DD may have not been in the peak shape, still putting him in a choke-hold is quite a feat. Especially considering the fact that Matt is an expert escapologist.
Ok but you do realise that if it was red DD that wouldnt have happened dont you?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We're a bit off-topic. Does Wolverine really need to make a guest appearance in my thread?
Its not off-topic really im comparing DDs performance against Wolverine to Shang Chi and trying to deduce who is the most skilled fighter. Also Shin Kuei got pawned by Taskmaster, DD did better. Shin Kuei has been shown to stalemate Shang in h2h.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I just wanted to sum up their encounters and point out that DD's track record against Logan ain't so impressive.With all due respect Phantom Zone, I think that using example of Matt stunning Logan with Adam's apple hit in order to prove Devil's superiority over Shang-Chi is flawed.
I dunno man I think you might be on crack today.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Stone telling DD not to be reckless.
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dontberecklessdddx3.png
Buskwacker saying the real DD would never take a bullet.
http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddtakesabullet2nc6.pngThey both indicate that the armoured DD was more wreckless and aggressive. I also think that it was also implied that DD was suffering some sort of mental breakdown.
Neither of those indicated that he was somehow a worse fighter, they both indicated that he was wearing armor... which was never up for debate in the first place.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Theres no proof he was fighting mind-control at that point. Yes he was missing a piece of his sould but I dont think he was hindered by a big amount.
Except... you... know... he said he was... and so did other peope... and it was a part of the story? 😕
I forgot, you think Wolverine was fighting the mind-control EXCEPT when he was fighting Daredevil. Ofcourse... because that makes sense.
Wolverine missing part of his soul lost to Shogun. Wolverine with his soul wreaked Shogun and Lazaer at the same time.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok but you do realise that if it was red DD that wouldnt have happened dont you?
Based on what?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Anyway the point is DD has done better against Wolverine than Shang.
Shang has one decent showing against Wolverine and one low... it's fifty-fifty...
Ennis' DD stunned Logan, I admit it's quite a feat (PIS-feat, but still). Armored one got put in a choke-hold. Red one got disarmed in Fallen Son and manhandled in EOTS.
So I wouldn't say that Matt has done that much better against Logan than Shang-Chi...
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Lets put it this way DD would have eventually got killed but he did well considering the cirumstances. The odds were stacked against DD thats why he looked better.
He looked better 'cause he's shown that he's stronger (claws kept moving closer to Matt's face when they struggled) and more skilled (kick to the head sent DD flying, solar-plexus knee attack stunned him...)
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Theres no proof he was fighting mind-control at that point. Yes he was missing a piece of his sould but I dont think he was hindered by a big amount.
Sure, sure. When he was fighting DD, he decided to stop resisting and go all out 🙄
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Whats wrong with you today? He cut his baton but the fact that DD one-shoted him is irrelevant?
Ennis is funny. Logan took multiple nerve strikes from Shingen and Echo, his throat has been slashed a few dozen times... and it didn't
put him down.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok but you do realise that if it was red DD that wouldnt have happened dont you?
Need more scans of armored DD's inferiority to red one.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Its not off-topic really im comparing DDs performance against Wolverine to Shang Chi and trying to deduce who is the most skilled fighter. Also Shin Kuei got pawned by Taskmaster, DD did better. Shin Kuei has been shown to stalemate Shang in h2h.
Fair enough. How do you think DD would fare against Paladin? Have they fought?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dunno man I think you might be on crack today.
Really mature comment.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Neither of those indicated that he was somehow a worse fighter, they both indicated that he was wearing armor... which was never up for debate in the first place.
The point is that he was acting wrecklessly. Hell Stone even said it.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Except... you... know... he said he was... and so did other peope... and it was a part of the story? 😕
The bits where DD was actually fighting Wolverine there was no proof of him fighting mind control, if he did that was prior to there fight.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I forgot, you think Wolverine was fighting the mind-control EXCEPT when he was fighting Daredevil. Ofcourse... because that makes sense.
Again when he actually fought Wolverine from what we saw there was no indication of him fighting mind control is that too hard for you to understand?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine missing part of his soul lost to Shogun. Wolverine with his soul wreaked Shogun and Lazaer at the same time.
Yes I know, now could you prove to me this severaly affected his h2h.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He looked better 'cause he's shown that he's stronger (claws kept moving closer to Matt's face when they struggled) and more skilled (kick to the head sent DD flying, solar-plexus knee attack stunned him...)
Again what about the fact he was fighting hand ninjas? You do realise when Wolverine dodged DDs baton thats what DD planned?
What about when he chucked two hand ninjas AND Wolverine through a door and down the stairs you do realise how much force he had to exert then? You dont think that left him open to get kicked? So you're ignoring that but focusing on the fact that DD got kicked and kneed and had to pick up a weapon?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sure, sure. When he was fighting DD, he decided to stop resisting and go all out 🙄
Sure show me on panel evidence where he was resisting mind-control. Its not like when he was fighting Thing were almost go clobbered becsue he was fighting it
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ennis is funny. Logan took multiple nerve strikes from Shingen and Echo, his throat has been slashed a few dozen times... and it didn't
put him down.
Lol and there are example of him being put down by sword strike from Gorgon even getting put down by being belted in the head. Wolverine also couldnt breath when Gorgon impaled him on the sword and couldnt react. The feats vary just because you dont like it doesnt make it PIS.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Need more scans of armored DD's inferiority to red one.
LOL well im sorry that all I got but this is what another poster said about this on another forum
Originally posted by Visitor QHe's kind of right, though I don't remember the exact reference he's citing off the top of my head. In another instance during the armored days, Bushwacker managed to shoot DD twice in the chest, then basically said, "That would've never happened to the REAL Daredevil" (everyone was under the impression that the armored DD was an entirely different person).
Eventually, the armored days became an embarrassment Marvel wanted to quickly forget, so it was revealed that the armored persona was really a symptom of a breakdown Matt was having (which was obviously not the original writer's intent, of course, and he has plenty of good feats from that era, too), and it was all swept under the rug and ignored forever.
Also this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daredevil_ (Marvel_Comics)
Daredevil's secret identity becomes public knowledge[when?]. Forced to fake his own death and change his uniform to an armored "razor costume", Murdock undergoes one of his numerous breakdowns. The change does not last, and Daredevil soon returns to his traditional red costume, while Murdock finds a way to convince the world that he is not, in fact, secretly Daredevil (courtesy of a deus ex machina doppelgänger).
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Fair enough. How do you think DD would fare against Paladin? Have they fought?
DD would kick his arse.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
🙄Whats the "proof" that armored DD wasn't as good of a fighter?
It's kind of ironic though since IIRC it was also during that time that he did exceptionally well against Venom.
