Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Again what about the fact he was fighting hand ninjas? You do realise when Wolverine dodged DDs baton thats what DD planned?What about when he chucked two hand ninjas AND Wolverine through a door and down the stairs you do realise how much force he had to exert then? You dont think that left him open to get kicked? So you're ignoring that but focusing on the fact that DD got kicked and kneed and had to pick up a weapon?
He had to chuck these ninjas to protect himself from being stabbed. Actually he got lucky they've been there! 😄 BTW - really intelligent fighting technique, falling down the stairs 🙄
Logan killed literally hundreds of those ninjas if not more. He was unscathed after this. You're saying that a dozen or so can tire Matt out and that much distract him? Well, that speaks for itself.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Sure show me on panel evidence where he was resisting mind-control. Its not like when he was fighting Thing were almost go clobbered becsue he was fighting it
OK... even if he WASN'T resisting mind-control, it still had an effect on him. An effect resulting in skill decrease, it's pretty obvious.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Lol and there are example of him being put down by sword strike from Gorgon even getting put down by being belted in the head. Wolverine also couldnt breath when Gorgon impaled him on the sword and couldnt react. The feats vary just because you dont like it doesnt make it PIS.
Sorry? Those instances you listed just prove Ennis wrong. Firstly, sword strike >>> Adam's apple hit. Secondly, Logan was already affected by methane.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
LOL well im sorry that all I got but this is what another poster said about this on another forumAlso this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daredevil_ (Marvel_Comics)Daredevil's secret identity becomes public knowledge[when?]. Forced to fake his own death and change his uniform to an armored "razor costume", Murdock undergoes one of his numerous breakdowns. The change does not last, and Daredevil soon returns to his traditional red costume, while Murdock finds a way to convince the world that he is not, in fact, secretly Daredevil (courtesy of a deus ex machina doppelgänger).
So Matt's escapologist skills were affected, too? 😬 I beg to differ.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
DD would kick his arse.
Sure he would. Question is, would that be a flawless victory? Shang-Chi effortlessly dealt with Paladin. And you know, that guy gave Spidey problems in the past. He even withstood high caliber bullets fired from the freakin tank.
good lord alf.........stop this is retarded. You always do this shit. we know you hate wolverine, but good lord you don't need to say stupid things to pick fights. This is not the thread for this make one if you want and don't bring up pis feats.
Fact DD in the ennis issue was pis.
Fact Logan was mind controlled and fighting it in EOTS
Fact Logan out fought DD in h2h combat before
Fact Shang-chi did good, however it was heavly implied Logan had learn what he needed to and had overcome what shang-chi used to gain an advantage
Fact Logan out fought hang-chi in a later time
So there no reason for Wolverine to be broguht up in this thread and yes it was your fault for this arguement being started Alf and if you keep it up you will likly be warned.
Okay, didn't Wolverine punk both Lazaer and Shogun BEFORE he got his missing piece back? I know I'm off topic here but it seems relevant. Wolverine's practically the Brett Favre of the Marvel U - he can either play one hell of a game and put up MVP numbers or stink the joint out so bad with his lousy performance that you wonder why anyone would consider him among the greats at all..so comparing DD's fights with Logan isn't really evidence considering that you should probably take Logan at his best - and what he's replicated - not at his worst. Therefore, if you take him at his best, he beats DD hands down. Since Chi fared well against Wolverine, I would say he is superior to DD. Chi showed he can match Logans skill and that's something DD has never showed. Let me more clear...Chi popped Logan twice in the face...that wasn't Logan at his best. Then Logan got up and they both fought using skill until Logan was about to fall off the edge. Seriously, the chop to the throat thing can't be used because it's an extrememly low showing for Wolverine. He was having one of his moments. Even under Claremont, Logan has shown that arrogance and careless can get him into trouble. He doesn't always do his best. For example, he was so prideful in the danger room training storm to fight that he actually got knocked down by storm. They were using Boken and she even managed to score the "killing" blow. Right after that, Logan got tossed around by Bishop before the fight was broken up. The point is, that one could conclude that Storm is Logan's superior in H2H but I seriously don't believe that anyone smokes that much crack. Now if he can get knocked down by storm at his worst, I'm sure someone of DD's skill can score a fluke blow to the throat. And it was a fluke okay, there is no denying it. Just because DD lucked out hitting Wolverine in the throat does not mean he can do as good as Chi did against Logan. Chi matched Wolverine back in the day and I think this is enough skill to give him the win.
It's true.
Man, that was disorganised lol..
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He had to chuck these ninjas to protect himself from being stabbed. Actually he got lucky they've been there! 😄 BTW - really intelligent fighting technique, falling down the stairs 🙄Logan killed literally hundreds of those ninjas if not more. He was unscathed after this. You're saying that a dozen or so can tire Matt out and that much distract him? Well, that speaks for itself.
OK... even if he WASN'T resisting mind-control, it still had an effect on him. An effect resulting in skill decrease, it's pretty obvious.
Sorry? Those instances you listed just prove Ennis wrong. Firstly, sword strike >>> Adam's apple hit. Secondly, Logan was already affected by methane.
So Matt's escapologist skills were affected, too? 😬 I beg to differ.
Sure he would. Question is, would that be a flawless victory? Shang-Chi effortlessly dealt with Paladin. And you know, that guy gave Spidey problems in the past. He even withstood high caliber bullets fired from the freakin tank.
Forget it im not wasting my time.
DD did better vs Taskmaster and Iron Fist and Shin Kuei did worse.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah it does sometimes. Sometimes thats all you have. Why do you think Shang wins?
Where did I say that? 😄 I'm not sure who'd win. I'm defending Shang-Chi because he's like Marvel's Bruce Lee. He's considered to be one of the best martial artists in MU, has an excellent track record.
DD has much more appearances though. More fights with metahumans. I think it would be an even fight, DD might take a slight majority.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Let's see...Daredevil
- superhuman senses and echolocation (radar sense)
- better acrobat (equilibrium comparable to that of Spider-Man)
- suit designed by Reed Richards which enhances his durability (read "Guardian Devil"😉
- ricocheting billy clubs (plus the immobilizing cord)Shang-Chi
- more skilled (most probably)
- Chi amping
- weapon master (he has nunchaku for this fight)
- bullet-deflecting bracers
- uncanny ability to distribute the trauma equally over his body
Fixed.