Originally posted by Zack Fair
Wait...Galactus losing to Cyttorak?
yea. what is this a question, (not being smug/mean/cocky) but Cyttorak has nearly unlimited mystical power. He is up there with the strongest beings in the entire Marvel universe. Don't get me wrong Galactus is up there. but when it comes down to it, there are a few more powerful things out there than him that you do not hear about that often.
Originally posted by BUSTER1
Comic book stories are fantasy. And where on panel does it say Galactus overpowers Cyttorak's enchantment??
You arent understanding me at all. Im not talking about it saying on panel that galactus overpowerd cyttoraks enchantment im saying that based on his power level he CAN do it easily. By feats galactus>>>cyttorak and its just ridiculous to thing that he cant overpower an enchantment that cyttorak used only a fraction of his power to cast ( frankly Galactus can overpower any cyttorak enchantment regardless of the power he used to cast it).
Originally posted by Silent Guardian
yea. what is this a question, (not being smug/mean/cocky) but Cyttorak has nearly unlimited mystical power. He is up there with the strongest beings in the entire Marvel universe. Don't get me wrong Galactus is up there. but when it comes down to it, there are a few more powerful things out there than him that you do not hear about that often.
By feats,comments,references status or whatever criteria u want to use Galactus>>>>>cytorrak.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
You arent understanding me at all. Im not talking about it saying on panel that galactus overpowerd cyttoraks enchantment im saying that based on his power level he CAN do it easily. By feats galactus>>>cyttorak and its just ridiculous to thing that he cant overpower an enchantment that cyttorak used only a fraction of his power to cast ( frankly Galactus can overpower any cyttorak enchantment regardless of the power he used to cast it).
Why is ridiculous to suggest that Galactus can't overpower Cyttorak's enchantment. Cyttorak has a completely different type of power to Galactus. Galactus is cosmically powered and his power is more physical, whilst Cytorrak is a wholly magical entity. If Galactus blast Juggy as hard as he can, its a physical force, which Cyttorak's magic protects him from. But Shatterstar's blades can cut Cain as they were forged in a dimension of science and magic. Magic is Cain's achilles heel, like kryptonite to Superman.
You say "frankly, Galactus can overpower any Cyttorak enchantment"-but where is your proof?
Originally posted by BUSTER1
Why is ridiculous to suggest that Galactus can't overpower Cyttorak's enchantment. Cyttorak has a completely different type of power to Galactus. Galactus is cosmically powered and his power is more physical, whilst Cytorrak is a wholly magical entity. If Galactus blast Juggy as hard as he can, its a physical force, which Cyttorak's magic protects him from. But Shatterstar's blades can cut Cain as they were forged in a dimension of science and magic. Magic is Cain's achilles heel, like kryptonite to Superman.
You say "frankly, Galactus can overpower any Cyttorak enchantment"-but where is your proof?
Why you say? Because magical enchantments have been overcome by non magical force numerous times. Specifically, cyttoraks enchantments have been overcome by physical force numerous times. Juggernaut unstoppability enchantment has been overcome before and he has been stopped. cyttoraks crimson bands of cyttorak have been broken by even the likes of namor. Further, dr strange has had his spells such as the shield of seraphim destroyed by sufficient physical force. There is nothing to suggest that magical enchantments can only be overcome through magic but there is hard on panel evidence that proves just the opposite.
Galactus can overpower any cyttorak enchantment because power level wise he is superior to cyttorak and hence cttoraks enchantments will not apply to somebody that is his superior in power.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
isn't cytorrak just an earth demon? and galactus is a cosmic god
TBH just an earth demon is a little of an understatement. HE was banished from earth because he was said to be powerful enough to threaten existance and stuff like that. Basically if he was on earth right now, a lot of heroes and villains who did not follow him would be dead. However that does not put him above Galactus.
Galactus is a multiverse threat, capable of destroying all of existence. Cyttorak is only a universal at best, but without feats I would keep him at an earthly threat.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Why you say? Because magical enchantments have been overcome by non magical force numerous times. Specifically, cyttoraks enchantments have been overcome by physical force numerous times. Juggernaut unstoppability enchantment has been overcome before and he has been stopped. cyttoraks crimson bands of cyttorak have been broken by even the likes of namor. Further, dr strange has had his spells such as the shield of seraphim destroyed by sufficient physical force. There is nothing to suggest that magical enchantments can only be overcome through magic but there is hard on panel evidence that proves just the opposite.Galactus can overpower any cyttorak enchantment because power level wise he is superior to cyttorak and hence cttoraks enchantments will not apply to somebody that is his superior in power.
Savage Hulk has broken free of the bands of Cyttorak before, but WWH, the most powerful incarnation, wasn't able to beat Cain down, and had to resort to bfr. Thor's godblast, which drove Galactus back, wasn't able to hurt Juggernaut.
If you want any info on Juggs, feel free to look at his respect thread or this link
Originally posted by BUSTER1
Savage Hulk has broken free of the bands of Cyttorak before, but WWH, the most powerful incarnation, wasn't able to beat Cain down, and had to resort to bfr. Thor's godblast, which drove Galactus back, wasn't able to hurt Juggernaut.
If you want any info on Juggs, feel free to look at his respect thread or this link
I need no info on juggernaut. Ive read a good majority of his comics. Whether savage hulk was able to beat cain down is absolutely irrlevant. The point i made was that magical enchantments (and specifically cyttoraks) CAN and have been broken by sufficient NON magical force. And that there is absolutely no basis for the belief that just because his source of durability is magical he somehow cant be affected by sufficent NON magical force. Galactus blasts are way way way way way more powerful than thors Godblast or anything WWH can dish out.
The Crimson Bands Strength is dependent on who ever created them. In other words Dr. Strange's Crimson Bands are far far weaker than if Cyttorak were to create them. And Cyttorak's hasn't been broken.
Also, there is nothing to say Cain has a limit to power. Two editors at Marvel have stated that he can draw on more/limitless power. Cyttorak has also said that he isn't the one who is limiting Cains power.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
The Crimson Bands Strength is dependent on who ever created them. In other words Dr. Strange's Crimson Bands are far far weaker than if Cyttorak were to create them. And Cyttorak's hasn't been broken.Also, there is nothing to say Cain has a limit to power. On contrary to editors at Marvel have stated that he can draw on more power. Cyttorak has also said that he isn't the one who is limiting Cains power.
The point is that for the enchantment to be affected at all by non magical force proves that this whole idea of magic not being unaffected by non magic is pure fallacy.
Cain can only be as powerful as the person who empowers him cyttorak who is <<<Galactus.
Also Cain wont be suddenly drawing on more power in a forum fight when he has failed to do so during his comics.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Also Cain wont be suddenly drawing on more power in a forum fight when he has failed to do so during his comics.
Cain has mentioned that he has grown stronger before. But unlike Hulk and Thor he doesn't have the appearances or the foes to pull this on to make it a normal thing. Someone asked the editor of the 8th Day arc if Cy gave him a power up, he said, No. This is further backed up when Cy said he doesn't limit Cains power. Basically he can focus and get stronger. But Cain does not knowhow to use his powers to their full potential.
Cy's story is the same as Cain's. He doesn't have the appearances either to back up a win OR a loss against others like Galactus.
But I'm not making any claims in this fight or if Cy or Galatus would win over the other.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
I need no info on juggernaut. Ive read a good majority of his comics. Whether savage hulk was able to beat cain down is absolutely irrlevant. The point i made was that magical enchantments (and specifically cyttoraks) CAN and have been broken by sufficient NON magical force. And that there is absolutely no basis for the belief that just because his source of durability is magical he somehow cant be affected by sufficent NON magical force. Galactus blasts are way way way way way more powerful than thors Godblast or anything WWH can dish out.
My point was -in reply to your pointing out that people including Namor have broken free of Cyttorak's bands -is that just because 1 of Cytorraks enchantments can be overcome by non magical means, not all of them can. Thats why I pointed out that Savage Hulk has broken the Bands of Cyttorak before, but his most powerful incarnation, WWH, wasn't able to beat Juggrnaut, whose power comes fron another Cyttorak enchantment