Originally posted by kgkg
The only Advantage WW gets it's MASpeed , Reaction etc all goes to surfer.
IF punch from She-Hulk can't even phase him ,Savage hulk can't K.o while surfer is not even fighting. Plus able to channel all his energy to healing he clears it.
He clears it. epically if Diana is not getting her tools.
How is he faster, Diana has actual h2h superspeed and her striking power is enough to KO top tiers. She onced fought past a group of amazons all at superspeed(after images and all)while SS has never displayed superspeed in combat let alone h2h....he doesn't have a prayer in a h2h fight agaisnt WW.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
How is he faster, Diana has actual h2h superspeed and her striking power is enough to KO top tiers. She onced fought past a group of amazons all at superspeed(after images and all)while SS has never displayed superspeed in combat let alone h2h....he doesn't have a prayer in a h2h fight agaisnt WW.
and diana does not have what it takes K.o surfer with her hands. Especially considering a angry hulk could not.
Originally posted by kgkg
He does not need to display h2h speed. He has moved his hand in Nano-seconds thats all he needs.and diana does not have what it takes K.o surfer with her hands. Especially considering a angry hulk could not.
.....moving his hands in nano-seconds doesn't mean shit dude. She has actually displayed h2h superspeed in regards to mobility,intiation and reflex. Her h2h speed is similar to flash/QS/Supes if anything, SS has not displayed anything past brick level in regards to h2h...he can't touch her.
Originally posted by The Great GalenHe does not have h2h because he is not a h2h fighter 😉 Whats so hard to understand
.....moving his hands in nano-seconds doesn't mean shit dude. She has actually displayed h2h superspeed in regards to mobility,intiation and reflex. Her h2h speed is similar to flash/QS/Supes if anything, SS has not displayed anything past brick level in regards to h2h...he can't touch her.
If I can move my hand faster than WW , and think faster than Her I can catch her or at least block her
just because he does not need to punch does not mean he can't move and react.
Originally posted by kgkg
He does not have h2h because he is not a h2h fighter 😉 Whats so hard to understandIf I can move my hand faster than WW , and think faster than Her I can catch her or at least block her
just because he does not need to punch does not mean he can't move and react.
SS is not a trained MA like Diana, it isn't his specialty so yes...obviously he woudln't have a wealth of feats portraying this. Thinking faster then someone and"moving hands"faster it a poor line of reasoning to determine combat ability let alone h2h speed. Simply put, she is a highly skilled MA who can move/strike and react at superspeed while SS is at best a novice MA that fights like a brick.
H2H superspeed is a aquired skill, if you ever see how flash/QS or supes fights you will know what im reffering to. SS hasn't displayed this on any level aside from intiated blast at high speed while on his board...in regards to close combat or just fightes in general he doesnt ultalize speed tot he same effect the characters I listed do.
Originally posted by The Great GalenOk lets make this easy.
SS is not a trained MA like Diana, it isn't his specialty so yes...obviously he woudln't have a wealth of feats portraying this. Thinking faster then someone and"moving hands"faster it a poor line of reasoning to determine combat ability let alone h2h speed. Simply put, she is a highly skilled MA who can move/strike and react at superspeed while SS is at best a novice MA that fights like a brick.
true Surfer is not trained MA fighter.
but he "CAN" react in nanoseconds
which is one billionth of a second so he is reacting this quick to WW no matter how unskilled Surfer is he can still see every punch every movement if he wanted to.
Does WW have and combat speed faster than one billionth of a second?
If you can find any scan of WW combat speed faster than that than you have a point.
But like I said skill does not matter when have much faster reaction time
Originally posted by The Great Galen
H2H superspeed is a aquired skill, if you ever see how flash/QS or supes fights you will know what im reffering to.
Superman really shouldn't be in that category. The vast, vast, vast majority of the time we see him utilizing his speed, he's fighting an enormously bulky and slow brick. Most of the time, he fights in brick speed. Just like others.
Originally posted by kgkg
Ok lets make this easy.true Surfer is not trained MA fighter.
but he "CAN" react in nanoseconds
which is one billionth of a second so he is reacting this quick to WW no matter how unskilled Surfer is he can still see every punch every movement if he wanted to.
Does WW have and combat speed faster than one billionth of a second?
If you can find any scan of WW combat speed faster than that than you have a point.
But like I said skill does not matter when have much faster reaction time
Once again, in the context of a battle or h2h confrontation has SS ever displayed this. Travelling reflex/flight speed or whatever is not interchangable with h2h skill, the basis for ur agument has no merit because SS doesn't fight at the speeds or reacts the speed mentioned. Simply put, his battle or h2h showings don't support ur argument.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Superman really shouldn't be in that category. The vast, vast, vast majority of the time we see him utilizing his speed, he's fighting an enormously bulky and slow brick. Most of the time, he fights in brick speed. Just like others.
A lot of characters don't fight the way they would on a KMC fight, this isn't a comic book however. Supes already has more then enough combat showings so support his placment in that group, someone like SS or Thor would be different situation since they always fight like bricks.
Originally posted by The Great GalenWhy does a feat need to be in a context of battle to have merit?
Once again, in the context of a battle or h2h confrontation has SS ever displayed this. Travelling reflex/flight speed or whatever is not interchangable with h2h skill, the basis for ur agument has no merit because SS doesn't fight at the speeds or reacts the speed mentioned. Simply put, his battle or h2h showings don't support ur argument.
You don't need skill to block when you can see your opponent in "Slow Mo"
If he is reacting at nano seconds no matter if it's battle , or jerkin off. It implies he can think at one billionth of a second!
In other Words he see the world in slow mo.
HOW DOES H2H skill matter if the opponent does not have the speed to go beyond what the person can react????????????????
Example: If you can say battle at speed of sound and you fighting an opponent who can react in light years and has no H2H skill.
you won't be able to HIT that opponent because he see you in "SLOW MO"
unless off course you can show WW combat speed at level but even than she does not have the strength to K.o Surfer without her gear
Originally posted by kgkg
Why does a feat need to be in a context of battle to have merit?You don't need skill to block when you can see your opponent in "Slow Mo"
If he is reacting at nano seconds no matter if it's battle , or jerkin off. It implies he can think at one billionth of a second!
In other Words he see the world in slow mo.
HOW DOES H2H skill matter if the opponent does not have the speed to go beyond what the person can react????????????????
Example: If you can say battle at speed of sound and you fighting an opponent who can react in light years and has no H2H skill.
you won't be able to HIT that opponent because he see you in "SLOW MO"
unless off course you can show WW combat speed at level but even than she does not have the strength to K.o Surfer without her gear
You're speculating, he doesn't have actual ON-PANEL feats displaying anything u suggested. Ur arguing powersets but obviously overlooking feats, shes has h2h superspeed...he doesn't. Dancing around that fact isn't gonna change it, so unless some scan of him fighting at superspeed manifest you're arugment remains basless.
Originally posted by The Great GalenWhat am i Speculating that he can react in Nano-Second? I never claimed he had H2H skill
You're speculating, he doesn't have actual ON-PANEL feats displaying anything u suggested. Ur arguing powersets but obviously overlooking feats, shes has h2h superspeed...he doesn't. Dancing around that fact isn't gonna change it, so unless some scan of him fighting at superspeed manifest you're arugment remains basless.
and you don't need H2H skill if your opponent hasn't shown anything like that before. Unless you can show otherwise
like my example above shows if I can react in nanosecond I can be the most unskilled bastard out there and you get the best MA fighter to fight me ......... It's no good because I see see them in "SLOW MO"
and like i said Surfer is still way to DURABLE HER DIANA to K.O without her tools unless you can show otherwise.
and for you last point move me that you need fighting at super speed to see people in "SLOW MO"
so "SLOW MO" effect FTW than
Originally posted by kgkg
What am i Speculating that he can react in Nano-Second? I never claimed he had H2H skilland you don't need H2H skill if your opponent hasn't shown anything like that before. Unless you can show otherwise
like my example above shows if I can react in nanosecond I can be the most unskilled bastard out there and you get the best MA fighter to fight me ......... It's no good because I see see them in "SLOW MO"
and like i said Surfer is still way to DURABLE HER DIANA to K.O without her tools unless you can show otherwise.
and for you last point move me that you need fighting at super speed to see people in "SLOW MO"
so "SLOW MO" effect FTW than
lets compare say... reaction time.
i compare surfer to ... a fighter pilot..
yes the plane (board) goes fast... yes he has amazing reaction time... yes... he can attack/bombard dozens of targets in an amazingly short amount of time...
but if you take that person out of their plane (off their board) how would they do in a fight say... ufc mma, when their reaction times are of a different nature.
lets say counterstrike the videogame.. .you could have some of the best twitch players out there... do crazy ass hand eye cordination feats... but put an actual military person in front of a computer.. and he'd be clueless.
he may be able to heal... he may have some small ability to defend himself.. or strike back... but as far as combat speed. thats a different nature.
whenever surfer moves quickly... he's on his board. and in the issue where he's dodging the hulk.. thats more like a hyperbole or euphemism...
and as far as how they fight... aren't we still within forum rules?
surfer is one of the fastest people in the universe... while he's on his board...
but i've never seen his reaction time faster than a regular human on land...
and as for the surfer vs thanos fight... that was all in the mind.. you can think however you want about how you'd fight in a dream, video game, etc... but in actual combat.. you'd do different. like xavier in astral plane is a force to be reckoned with... but on earth .. in a real hand to hand... he'd be as useful as a guy in a wheelchair...
Originally posted by rotiart
lets compare say... reaction time.i compare surfer to ... a fighter pilot..
yes the plane (board) goes fast... yes he has amazing reaction time... yes... he can attack/bombard dozens of targets in an amazingly short amount of time...but if you take that person out of their plane (off their board) how would they do in a fight say... ufc mma, when their reaction times are of a different nature.
lets say counterstrike the videogame.. .you could have some of the best twitch players out there... do crazy ass hand eye cordination feats... but put an actual military person in front of a computer.. and he'd be clueless.
he may be able to heal... he may have some small ability to defend himself.. or strike back... but as far as combat speed. thats a different nature.
whenever surfer moves quickly... he's on his board. and in the issue where he's dodging the hulk.. thats more like a hyperbole or euphemism...
and as far as how they fight... aren't we still within forum rules?
surfer is one of the fastest people in the universe... while he's on his board...
but i've never seen his reaction time faster than a regular human on land...
and as for the surfer vs thanos fight... that was all in the mind.. you can think however you want about how you'd fight in a dream, video game, etc... but in actual combat.. you'd do different. like xavier in astral plane is a force to be reckoned with... but on earth .. in a real hand to hand... he'd be as useful as a guy in a wheelchair...
Good stuff, combat speed is a different specialty then navigation...it would be like suggest a pilot or nascar driver can move and fight better then UFC champ or react better then a boxing champ.