Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes blitz 10/10 FTW.
Originally posted by Raoul
you know bloody well how.if you have an opinion, then back it up. don't clog up threads by saying the same thing over and over. that's trolling.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Not a shred of evidence supports that statement. Don't forget about pr's little warning to you...
So supes has never ultalized speed nor has ever blitz opponents before they can react. Which basis do u have to support that mag wins, honestly are you going to compeltly negate supes speed or even the instances when he has used it to great effect. There isn't a shred of evidence to support mag manipulating supes aura or that any offensive measure could harm supes.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
So supes has never ultalized speed nor has ever blitz opponents before they can react. Which basis do u have to support that mag wins, honestly are you going to compeltly negate supes speed or even the instances when he has used it to great effect. There isn't a shred of evidence to support mag manipulating supes aura or that any offensive measure could harm supes.
Galen, the only one I can think of in Marvel who has an aura like Supes is Gladiator. So of course he hasn't done so before. But he can. He manipulates magnetic fields. It's that simple. And, apparently he might even be able to draw the solar energy out of Supes.
Then there's always the iron in the blood trick. The bottleneck effect he used to stop the Phoenix (who is >>> Superman), and shields to stop Superman's onslaught.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
So supes has never ultalized speed nor has ever blitz opponents before they can react.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Which basis do u have to support that mag wins,
Solar energy absorption.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
honestly are you going to compeltly negate supes speed or even the instances when he has used it to great effect.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
There isn't a shred of evidence to support mag manipulating supes aura or that any offensive measure could harm supes.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Galen, the only one I can think of in Marvel who has an aura like Supes is Gladiator. So of course he hasn't done so before. But he can. He manipulates magnetic fields. It's that simple. And, apparently he might even be able to draw the solar energy out of Supes.Then there's always the iron in the blood trick. The bottleneck effect he used to stop the Phoenix (who is >>> Superman), and shields to stop Superman's onslaught.
So in otherwords there isn't any basis for the claim of man"manipulating supes aura".
Originally posted by darthgoober
I just checked it out(the issue I mean), and to me it looked like Supes was pretty hammered out when the solar energy was deflected away. Supes recovered when Polaris decided to let him off with a warning, but he was defiantly down and vulnerable until she turned her back on him.
You're referring to the part where Polaris blinded Superman. He was stunned for a bit, but in no way was he even close to being physically harmed. He was even up the next page and flew off with Dr. P in his arms. If they were actually fighting, he could've simply compressed him right then and there into a cube.
"Let Superman recover" implies that he has the offensive power to take him out, which was proven that he didn't/couldn't. He did pretty much everything I'd expect Magneto to try and none of it worked.
For all his little tricks, Superman did not ONCE try to harm Neal in anyway at all. Magneto won't have the luxury here. It's weak evidence to use in Magneto's favor because Superman wasn't defeated nor was he really fighting back.
Also, you asked if Superman was made "powerless" by Neal's attacks. Indeed he wasn't, was he?
Originally posted by darthgoober
And Lois didn't say that Supes could have taken him down anytime he wanted, she asked why Supes didn't take Polaris down when he first had the chance, big difference there.
Yeah... I know. I paraphrased Lois and said "Lois asked Superman why he didn't take Polaris out quickly" which is basically the same thing. I didn't say she said he could've taken him out anytime he wanted. That was ME who said that. 😛
Originally posted by Enyalus
Batdude, in your opinion who is superior: Dr. Polaris or Magneto?
Both are comparable and it's hard for me to say who's more powerful.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't say that. I've seen Supes use speed, but I've never seen him blitz at the speeds you're talking about(that speed being lightspeed to be exact).Solar energy absorption.
I'm not negating anything, I have no problem attributing Supes with Super Speed, I just happen to believe that Mag's has the reflexes to get up his forcefield before Supes reaches him in blitz mode.
Other that Polaris doing it you mean...
Supes can travel at lightspeed and he proved a great deal of speed when he got a good hit in on Amazo. Solar absorption is prety much useless these days, supes has regenerated rather instantly when he has been drained. On the other hand, supes vibrated past mags shileds or even blitzing with consecutive stikres would certainly tax mag out...there isnt anything mag csn do offensivly or defensivly.
Originally posted by batdude123
You're referring to the part where Polaris blinded Superman. He was stunned for a bit, but in no way was he even close to being physically harmed. He was even up the next page and flew off with Dr. P in his arms. If they were actually fighting, he could've simply compressed him right then and there into a cube.
And that's not the only instance where it was mentioned/done either, he was easily put down at the end of the first book when Polaris started draining his energy or did the light bending thing(whichever it was). It's true that he was back up and about in the next book, but that's only because Polaris let off him again to gloat.
Originally posted by batdude123
"Let Superman recover" implies that he has the offensive power to take him out, which was proven that he didn't/couldn't. He did pretty much everything I'd expect Magneto to try and none of it worked.
Originally posted by batdude123
For all his little tricks, Superman did not ONCE try to harm Neal in anyway at all. Magneto won't have the luxury here. It's weak evidence to use in Magneto's favor because Superman wasn't defeated nor was he really fighting back.
Originally posted by batdude123
Also, you asked if Superman was made "powerless" by Neal's attacks. Indeed he wasn't, was he?
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes can travel at lightspeed and he proved a great deal of speed when he got a good hit in on Amazo.
Travel speed and combat speed are two different things. And I don't know what you mean with the Amazo feat. The first time he came back in the recent JLA issues he was badly damaged and was conflicting with Red Tornado's programming. The second time he came back Amazo owned him effortlessly. Twice. And the Parasite feat you're bringing up - right after that Dr. Light drops his ass with one of his blasts and specifically states that he isn't as fast as light. At least not in combat.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes can travel at lightspeed and he proved a great deal of speed when he got a good hit in on Amazo.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Solar absorption is prety much useless these days, supes has regenerated rather instantly when he has been drained.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
On the other hand, supes vibrated past mags shileds or even blitzing with consecutive stikres would certainly tax mag out...there isnt anything mag csn do offensivly or defensivly.
Originally posted by batdude123
Energy absorption is a lost cause. He replenishes it back almost immediately.Polaris bent light away from him, he didn't mess up his aura.
Originally posted by EnyalusTravel speed and combat speed are two different things. And I don't know what you mean with the Amazo feat. The first time he came back in the recent JLA issues he was badly damaged and was conflicting with Red Tornado's programming. The second time he came back Amazo owned him effortlessly. Twice. And the Parasite feat you're bringing up - right after that Dr. Light drops his ass with one of his blasts and specifically states that he isn't as fast as light. At least not in combat. [/B]
Im not talking about combat speed, im talking about the speed in which it wake take for supes to gap the distance. Supes can move at lightspeed...so yeah he can easily get to Mag b4 he can react.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Im not talking about combat speed, im talking about the speed in which it wake take for supes to gap the distance. Supes can move at lightspeed...so yeah he can easily get to Mag b4 he can react.
Also...
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5207/thexmenvstheavengers042xb7.jpg
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Im not talking about combat speed, im talking about the speed in which it wake take for supes to gap the distance. Supes can move at lightspeed...so yeah he can easily get to Mag b4 he can react.
I've never seen him move at light speed in the Earth's atmosphere. Have you?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Not combat speed.Proof that it's useless or that Supes can recharge his stores of energy instantly?
If Supes goes intangible to vibrate past Mag's shields then how is he going to land a punch?
Supes moving to Mag before mag can react has nothiung to do with combat speed, supes can fly at FTL speed so yeah...bullrush could easily happen.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes moving to Mag before mag can react has nothiung to do with combat speed, supes can fly at FTL speed so yeah...bullrush could easily happen.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Proof that it's in Supes's character to kill Mags in cold blood by bullrushing him at faster than light speed?Also...
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5207/thexmenvstheavengers042xb7.jpg
Originally posted by darthgoober
Proof that it's in Supes's character to kill Mags in cold blood by bullrushing him at faster than light speed?Also...
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5207/thexmenvstheavengers042xb7.jpg
Wow exactly happened before and after that? It looks like some people Magneto was protecting got slaughtered. Tell me that he got some sweet vengeance!
