Goku VS Superman

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
A move that he only did once. Wow because after that he was known for his warp kamehamehas! Still I guess Superman is dumb enough to just sit there and wait through the entire Kamehame part? You're acting like a Kamehameha is going to kill him. None of his blasts will kill him let alone hurt him.

even in saiyan saga his kamehameha has enough potential to destroy a planet. and we're talking about Goku when he's far beyond saiyan saga's Goku. Goku maybe not so smart. but he's a genius when he fight. Goku's kamehameha in Cell saga is FAR more powerful than his kamehameha in saiyan saga. it's obviously a planet buster. and if superman got hurt by doomsday's punches then why kamehameha not?

Originally posted by Prime#
Ok, this arguement needs to die. Superman is just above Goku. Saying Superman is slow because he gets hit by people like doomsday is absurd seeing as how DD's reaction/fight speed has been compared to the Flash's. Besides Supes allows his slower opponents to hit him because he brings hiself down to their level to fight him, Supes says he can end fights like those any time he want.
If your looking for combat speed, Supes vs The Elite, he speedblitzes there team so fast, they dont know whats happening. That fight also showed, Supes can lobotomize people without them realizing it

The mere fact that Superman can survive in space show how much more durable then Goku he is. If Supes isnt holding back, the fight is over before Goku reallizes it's started.

you mean when he let doomsday killed him? please... even Goku holds back against weak character. but he never dies when he "holds back" just like you said.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
even in saiyan saga his kamehameha has enough potential to destroy a planet. and we're talking about Goku when he's far beyond saiyan saga's Goku. Goku maybe not so smart. but he's a genius when he fight. Goku's kamehameha in Cell saga is FAR more powerful than his kamehameha in saiyan saga. it's obviously a planet buster. and if superman got hurt by doomsday's punches then why kamehameha not?

you mean when he let doomsday killed him? please... even Goku holds back against weak character. but he never dies when he "holds back" just like you said.

Kind of contradicted yourself. You said that SS Kamehameha could destroy a planet, but his cell saga one is far more powerful because it can destroy a planet? Sounds like they are the same when you say it.

DD is able to hurt Superman because of his adaptive reflexes, he has died hundreds and hundreds of times before he fought Kent which made him stronger and stronger each time he came back.

Goku still isn't hitting him with that blast seeing as it takes too long to charge. The Kamehameha is his only projectile that he can use in this fight. All others are useless.

He didn't let DD kill him, he fought him to protect the city, it was either fight or flee and allow innocents to die. Superman will not run and leave innocents to die. What about Raditz killing Goku? Cell killing Goku?

The Superman that was killed by Doomsday was a far weaker Supes. It was soon after John Byrne rebooted Supes and made him weaker to make the fights more interesting. Needless to say current Supes is better in every way from the byrne Supes. An all-out Supes has so many ways to put Goku down its not even funny.

1. Straight up beat him to death
2. HV him
3. Freeze him and throw him into space
4. Superspeed so fast he drains the oxygen out of the battlefield.
5. Make eye-contact via(3 episode long DBZ style staredown) and lobotomize him without him even reallizing it

Originally posted by Prime#
The Superman that was killed by Doomsday was a far weaker Supes. It was soon after John Byrne rebooted Supes and made him weaker to make the fights more interesting. Needless to say current Supes is better in every way from the byrne Supes. An all-out Supes has so many ways to put Goku down its not even funny.

1. Straight up beat him to death
2. HV him
3. Freeze him and throw him into space
4. Superspeed so fast he drains the oxygen out of the battlefield.
5. Make eye-contact via(3 episode long DBZ style staredown) and lobotomize him without him even reallizing it

Don't forget speedblitz. Hell he'll make Goku use a spirit bomb and knock it right into space. Goku could fly to the moon and kill him with HV.

Yep, besides, a Spirit Bomb wouldn't even effect him. It doesn't effect "pure souls" or whatever, it would bounce off. Not that it would do anything anyway

Originally posted by Prime#
Yep, besides, a Spirit Bomb wouldn't even effect him. It doesn't effect "pure souls" or whatever, it would bounce off. Not that it would do anything anyway

a bomb composed of nature's energy and the sun? That would probably power him up. Wouldn't a solar flare do the same?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Kind of contradicted yourself. You said that SS Kamehameha could destroy a planet, but his cell saga one is far more powerful because it can destroy a planet? Sounds like they are the same when you say it.

DD is able to hurt Superman because of his adaptive reflexes, he has died hundreds and hundreds of times before he fought Kent which made him stronger and stronger each time he came back.

Goku still isn't hitting him with that blast seeing as it takes too long to charge. The Kamehameha is his only projectile that he can use in this fight. All others are useless.

so, DD's punch can destroy a planet? it's not funny. and you think Goku's cell saga kamehameha is the same as Goku's saiyan saga kamehameha? what about no?

he maybe used that trick once in cell saga only. but you seems forget that means Goku can do it and he can shoot kamehameha without say it. maybe the first one would be missed. but not twice since Goku would have a plan to blast Superman. look at how he fight kid buu where he didn't chant "kamehameha".

He didn't let DD kill him, he fought him to protect the city, it was either fight or flee and allow innocents to die. Superman will not run and leave innocents to die. What about Raditz killing Goku? Cell killing Goku?

Cell self destructed. and that's a blast that would destroy a planet. he saved the entire earth life.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
so, DD's punch can destroy a planet? it's not funny. and you think Goku's cell saga kamehameha is the same as Goku's saiyan saga kamehameha? what about no?

he maybe used that trick once in cell saga only. but you seems forget that means Goku can do it and he can shoot kamehameha without say it. maybe the first one would be missed. but not twice since Goku would have a plan to blast Superman. look at how he fight kid buu where he didn't chant "kamehameha".

Superman has taken blows stronger than DD and just because a Kamehameha can destroy a planet doesn't mean that it would kill or hurt Superman. Superman is more durable than a planet.

You are the one that said they were the same power. You said both could destroy a planet. Whats the difference?

Superman is too fast to get hit, and I thought it was common knowledge that a chanted kamehameha was stronger than a nonchanted or quick chanted one. Why else would he always charge it if an unchanted one was just as strong?

Even if Goku could gain an advantage then what would he do once Superman sundips?

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Cell self destructed. and that's a blast that would destroy a planet. he saved the entire earth life.

And Superman died for the city, and I guess the earth but a city is smaller than the entire earth which made his sacrifice even more than Goku's.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Superman has taken blows stronger than DD and just because a Kamehameha can destroy a planet doesn't mean that it would kill or hurt Superman. Superman is more durable than a planet.

You are the one that said they were the same power. You said both could destroy a planet. Whats the difference?

Superman is too fast to get hit, and I thought it was common knowledge that a chanted kamehameha was stronger than a nonchanted or quick chanted one. Why else would he always charge it if an unchanted one was just as strong?

Even if Goku could gain an advantage then what would he do once Superman sundips?

so, doomsday's punch can shatter a planet?

both can destroy planet. true. but the power is different. and Goku in Cell's saga is obviously far more powerful.

common knowledge? never heard of it.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
And Superman died for the city, and I guess the earth but a city is smaller than the entire earth which made his sacrifice even more than Goku's.

I don't care about who sacrificed even more. I was just quoting your edited post.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
so, doomsday's punch can shatter a planet?

both can destroy planet. true. but the power is different. and Goku in Cell's saga is obviously far more powerful.

common knowledge? never heard of it.

Never said that he could but he has survived things stronger than DD and you've already been told that Superman is even stronger than he used to be. Superman continues to get stronger while Goku doesn't. Well if an unchanted one has the same power then why doesn't he just shoot it without talking? Why doesn't he just quickly say it all the time?

You still didn't answer my question on what if Superman sundips.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Never said that he could but he has survived things stronger than DD and you've already been told that Superman is even stronger than he used to be. Superman continues to get stronger while Goku doesn't. Well if an unchanted one has the same power then why doesn't he just shoot it without talking? Why doesn't he just quickly say it all the time?

You still didn't answer my question on what if Superman sundips.

sundips? you mean if Superman choke Goku and fly all the way into the sun? yeah. that's his advantage. another deathstrike from Superman to kill Goku I see... but like I told you, Goku's battlespeed(not travel speed) is faster than Supes. let's see if it would work. King Kai can sense and TRACE Goku who is moving at least 300X lightspeed with the spaceship. It's the same as when they sense them in a fight, weaker guys can't trace them, stronger one's can. That's why Vegeta can sense and trace Freiza's spaceship coz he's on a higher PL and Yamcha can only sense Freiza but cannot trace the movement of his ship. So if Kai can sense and trace Goku's ship and can't follow Goku's fight with Freiza then they are definitely moving faster than the ship, in short distances anyway.

and please notice that Goku is always get stronger. remember when a saiyan almost died, they will always become stronger? not only that, he's training too.

ok, maybe u're right about chanted or not makes it stronger or not. however it's still too powerful. and it's still far stronger than saiyan's saga kamehameha while it was chanted.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
sundips? you mean if Superman choke Goku and fly all the way into the sun? yeah. that's his advantage. another deathstrike from Superman to kill Goku I see... but like I told you, Goku's battlespeed(not travel speed) is faster than Supes. let's see if it would work. King Kai can sense and TRACE Goku who is moving at least 300X lightspeed with the spaceship. It's the same as when they sense them in a fight, weaker guys can't trace them, stronger one's can. That's why Vegeta can sense and trace Freiza's spaceship coz he's on a higher PL and Yamcha can only sense Freiza but cannot trace the movement of his ship. So if Kai can sense and trace Goku's ship and can't follow Goku's fight with Freiza then they are definitely moving faster than the ship, in short distances anyway.

and please notice that Goku is always get stronger. remember when a saiyan almost died, they will always become stronger? not only that, he's training too.

ok, maybe u're right about chanted or not makes it stronger or not. however it's still too powerful. and it's still far stronger than saiyan's saga kamehameha while it was chanted.

Wow you know nothing about the character you are debating against. Sundip is when Superman flies into the sun and absorbs its energy. The longer he stays in the sun the more stronger he gets. Goku can't get any stronger seeing as Z has ended.

Zenkais won't work here seeing as Superman would already be the winner if Goku is beaten to the point that he gets a zenkai.

Superman tanks planetary explosions with ease. A slow ass Kamehameha isn't going to do anything.

Do you think that current Superman could beat Super Buu?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Wow you know nothing about the character you are debating against. Sundip is when Superman flies into the sun and absorbs its energy. The longer he stays in the sun the more stronger he gets. Goku can't get any stronger seeing as Z has ended.

Zenkais won't work here seeing as Superman would already be the winner if Goku is beaten to the point that he gets a zenkai.

Superman tanks planetary explosions with ease. A slow ass Kamehameha isn't going to do anything.

and don't forget that Goku can become stronger too when he almost died. btw, do you think Goku would allowed Supes to go to sun? with the battlespeed like that, he won't allow that.

and SSJ kamehameha is far stronger than a planet buster. if Supes can't dodge doomsday's punches then I suppose he won't dodge kamehameha.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
and don't forget that Goku can become stronger too when he almost died. btw, do you think Goku would allowed Supes to go to sun? with the battlespeed like that, he won't allow that.

and SSJ kamehameha is far stronger than a planet buster. if Supes can't dodge doomsday's punches then I suppose he won't dodge kamehameha.

Yeah in this scenario Goku can't get stronger unless he loses. I love how he has to get his ass beat in order to get stronger.

He doesn't have much of a choice in this scenario. You already stated that he can move faster than Goku. What is stopping him from just jumping out of the earth's atmosphere? He could just stop fighting and defending for a minute to assess the situation and fly off while Goku ponders why he stopped. Goku wouldn't even try to stop him from going to the sun seeing as it would seem to him that Superman is retreating.

where is it stated that a SSJ Kamehameha is way more than a planet buster? The only time its power was ever mentioned was during Cell saga where they said that he was going to destroy the planet. I think that they said that because of his angle or something to do with the way he was angled at the sun.

People have already told you that DD has the speed and reflexes of The Flash so him not being able to dodge them doesn't seem that bad, even though he fights down to his opponent's level. A slow ass Kamehameha has got nothing on Superman's speed and reflexes.

Do you think that Superman can beat Super Buu without the use of absorbtion?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
1. Yeah in this scenario Goku can't get stronger unless he loses. I love how he has to get his ass beat in order to get stronger.

2. He doesn't have much of a choice in this scenario. You already stated that he can move faster than Goku. What is stopping him from just jumping out of the earth's atmosphere? He could just stop fighting and defending for a minute to assess the situation and fly off while Goku ponders why he stopped. Goku wouldn't even try to stop him from going to the sun seeing as it would seem to him that Superman is retreating.

3. where is it stated that a SSJ Kamehameha is way more than a planet buster? The only time its power was ever mentioned was during Cell saga where they said that he was going to destroy the planet. I think that they said that because of his angle or something to do with the way he was angled at the sun.

4. People have already told you that DD has the speed and reflexes of The Flash so him not being able to dodge them doesn't seem that bad, even though he fights down to his opponent's level. A slow ass Kamehameha has got nothing on Superman's speed and reflexes.

5. Do you think that Superman can beat Super Buu without the use of absorbtion?

1. you forget something important. Goku can become stronger... with training too.

2. faster and maybe much faster in traveling speed. not combat speed. King Kai can easily trace the speed of Goku's spaceship which got to Namek in 6 days which is moving at least 300 times the speed of light and can tell exactly where he is but can't keep up with the speed of Goku's fight with Freiza.

3. vegeta's garlic cannon was supposed to destroyed earth. and Goku can keep up with that energy. which means Goku has a potential to destroy a planet even in saiyan saga. cell of course can destroy earth when he self destructed since he is FAR MORE powerful than anyone in saiyan saga.

4. Since when Doomsday can fight at such a speed even lightspeed?

5. Buu one shot a planet and he can't be destroyed unless he's disintegrated without trace. I can't decide about that yet. but if Buu absorb Superman... it will be the end of DBZ... forever.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
1. you forget something important. Goku can become stronger... with training too.

2. faster and maybe much faster in traveling speed. not combat speed. King Kai can easily trace the speed of Goku's spaceship which got to Namek in 6 days which is moving at least 300 times the speed of light and can tell exactly where he is but can't keep up with the speed of Goku's fight with Freiza.

3. vegeta's garlic cannon was supposed to destroyed earth. and Goku can keep up with that energy. which means Goku has a potential to destroy a planet even in saiyan saga. cell of course can destroy earth when he self destructed since he is FAR MORE powerful than anyone in saiyan saga.

4. Since when Doomsday can fight at such a speed even lightspeed?

5. Buu one shot a planet and he can't be destroyed unless he's disintegrated without trace. I can't decide about that yet. but if Buu absorb Superman... it will be the end of DBZ... forever.

1. Your point is well...pointless. Yeah he can become stronger with training but not in the middle of a fight like Superman can. Goku can't get stronger in this fight while Superman can.

2. What proof do you have that his ship was moving 300x light speed?

3. Still no proof that is greater than a planet buster. Are you saying that a SSJK is now a galaxy buster because I think thats the next step up.

4.

His reflexes and speed are vastly beyond what's expected for his bulky size, and has been able to match Superman in this regard. He cannot fly, but rather travels by leaping miles at a time.

5. Super Buu, not kid buu. Super Buu without absorbtion as a tactic.