Originally posted by RobtardI haven't. It doesn't look too appealing though, maybe I'll rent it if I get the chance. Not big on fighting games anyways, as you can see by my narrow range of favourites.
Speaking of fighting games, have you played the DC Vs Mortal Kombat? If so, your thoughts?
As for the thread, do we know yet what Goku and what Superman we are talking about?
Originally posted by Bardock42
I haven't. It doesn't look too appealing though, maybe I'll rent it if I get the chance. Not big on fighting games anyways, as you can see by my narrow range of favourites.As for the thread, do we know yet what Goku and what Superman we are talking about?
I assume it was suppose to start out as movie versions but for some reason it is now Manga/Comic versions.
Both versions stomps Goku.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
1. Your point is well...pointless. Yeah he can become stronger with training but not in the middle of a fight like Superman can. Goku can't get stronger in this fight while Superman can.2. What proof do you have that his ship was moving 300x light speed?
3. Still no proof that is greater than a planet buster. Are you saying that a SSJK is now a galaxy buster because I think thats the next step up.
4. DD is not slow.
5. Super Buu, not kid buu. Super Buu without absorbtion as a tactic.
1. so? did you ever see superman go to the sun while he fight? maybe he ca go once. but the same trick won't work to Goku I believe.
2. it takes about 4000 years or more to reach namec with earth fastest ship. but IIRC it takes about a month to reach namec. and king kai can sense it.
3. even cell have enough power to destroy the entire solar system if he wants to... and current Goku is far stronger than Cell.
4. so?
5. super buu too at least have the same power with kid buu. and since superman is not immune to magic, maybe he'll turn superman into a biscuit? that's if he can't dodge it.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
1. so? did you ever see superman go to the sun while he fight? maybe he ca go once. but the same trick won't work to Goku I believe.2. it takes about 4000 years or more to reach namec with earth fastest ship. but IIRC it takes about a month to reach namec. and king kai can sense it.
3. even cell have enough power to destroy the entire solar system if he wants to... and current Goku is far stronger than Cell.
4. so?
5. super buu too at least have the same power with kid buu. and since superman is not immune to magic, maybe he'll turn superman into a biscuit? that's if he can't dodge it.
1. Yes Superman has no problems with sundipping. How won't it work on Goku? Are you saying that Goku won't allow a good person he is fighting to leave the battlefield? It would look like he is retreating. I hope you aren't saying that he is going to hunt him down and finish the job.
2. Where is it stated that it takes 4000 years with an earth ship? Wasn't the ship Goku was in an earth ship?
3. Since when could Cell one shot a solar system?
4. So being able to get hit by DD does not mean that a slower move will hit you. DD is faster than the Kamehameha wave. Superman dodges it with ease.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
1. Yes Superman has no problems with sundipping. How won't it work on Goku? Are you saying that Goku won't allow a good person he is fighting to leave the battlefield? It would look like he is retreating. I hope you aren't saying that he is going to hunt him down and finish the job.2. Where is it stated that it takes 4000 years with an earth ship? Wasn't the ship Goku was in an earth ship?
3. Since when could Cell one shot a solar system?
4. So being able to get hit by DD does not mean that a slower move will hit you. DD is faster than the Kamehameha wave. Superman dodges it with ease.
1. while superman go to sun for power up, Goku'll go to dende to cure himself. fair enough.
2. read the comic. it was stated 4339 years. and they used upgraded god's ship to reach namec. about Goku, he used the same technology.
3. he says it when he become perfect cell. and I believe it's not a bullshit since in saiyan saga vegeta can destroy a planet.
4. you mean dodges with ease until he died?
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
1. while superman go to sun for power up, Goku'll go to dende to cure himself. fair enough.2. read the comic. it was stated 4339 years. and they used upgraded god's ship to reach namec. about Goku, he used the same technology.
3. he says it when he become perfect cell. and I believe it's not a bullshit since in saiyan saga vegeta can destroy a planet.
4. you mean dodges with ease until he died?
1. Being healed is not greater than sundipping. A sundipped Supes is far stronger than a restored Goku. That really isn't fair seeing as Goku is going to get stomped even more. Hell Superman could just HV him from the sun
2. If goku was going 300x Light speed then his ship would've been a beam of light. Even if his ship was going that fast then how does that mean Goku can go FTL like Superman can?
3. Until Cell shows some moves that puts him at the power of destroying solar systems then its all bull jive. Just because Vegeta can destroy a planet and Cell is stronger than Vegeta doesn't mean that Cell can destroy a solar system.
4. No I mean that DD is faster than a Kamehameha and Superman will dodge a slow as Kamehameha with ease.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
1. Being healed is not greater than sundipping. A sundipped Supes is far stronger than a restored Goku. That really isn't fair seeing as Goku is going to get stomped even more. Hell Superman could just HV him from the sun2. If goku was going 300x Light speed then his ship would've been a beam of light. Even if his ship was going that fast then how does that mean Goku can go FTL like Superman can?
3. Until Cell shows some moves that puts him at the power of destroying solar systems then its all bull jive. Just because Vegeta can destroy a planet and Cell is stronger than Vegeta doesn't mean that Cell can destroy a solar system.
4. No I mean that DD is faster than a Kamehameha and Superman will dodge a slow as Kamehameha with ease.
you really remind me of someone...
1. you think while he got healed he won't think of any strategy?
2. so, can you explain what kind of ship which can reach jupiter in a second and reach a planet which needs 4339 years to reach with earth fastest ship?
3. denial. it's just like you said an infant can lift a small chair but you can't lift the same chair.
4. assumption only.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
I can't deny that Superman is faster than Goku. but that's about traveling speed. not combat speed. Superman's reaction is not that fast. that's why he had a hard time against doomsday.
I believe this is a movie Vs. forum and Reeve-Superman travelled faster than the speed of light when he reversed time in the first movie. If Einstein is correct.
With that in mind, I don't think there is any version of Goku, movies, show or manga that could survive being hit even once by Superman's entire body travelling at +light speeds.
End of discussion, Superman+faster than light travel=win
Originally posted by Robtard
I believe this is a movie Vs. forum and Reeve-Superman travelled faster than the speed of light when he reversed time in the first movie. If Einstein is correct.With that in mind, I don't think there is any version of Goku, movies, show or manga that could survive being hit even once by Superman's entire body travelling at +light speeds.
End of discussion, Superman+faster than light travel=win
Sorry but once again, Supes combat speed is very slow compared to his travel speed. In earth's atmosphere he's even below lightspeed. Can u come up with a scan that shows he is clearly fighting at lightspeed within the earth's atmosphere? even He has too much trouble against DD.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
you really remind me of someone...1. you think while he got healed he won't think of any strategy?
2. so, can you explain what kind of ship which can reach jupiter in a second and reach a planet which needs 4339 years to reach with earth fastest ship?
3. denial. it's just like you said an infant can lift a small chair but you can't lift the same chair.
4. assumption only.
1. Any strategy he thinks up would be against the guy he already fought. Sundipped Supes is in a whole nother league. Like I said, the longer he stays the stronger he gets.
2. Ships have nothing to do with a character's speed. It is impossible for a character to be able to move and travel light speed, but not be able to fight at the same speed and vice versa. You say Superman can't fight at LS because you haven't seen him do it, yet you don't even know much about him. You also say Cell can destroy a solar system but you also haven't seen him do it.
3. Denial? I never said anything about an infant lifting a chair because an infant can't lift a chair. There is no proof that Cell can destroy a solar system just because Vegeta can destroy a planet.
4. You've been assuming every claim you made. Its true that DD punches and reacts way faster than someone chanting Kamehameha and shooting it out.+
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Sorry but once again, Supes combat speed is very slow compared to his travel speed. In earth's atmosphere he's even below lightspeed. Can u come up with a scan that shows he is clearly fighting at lightspeed within the earth's atmosphere? even He has too much trouble against DD.
For the last time, Doomsday is not a slow. He has incredibly fast reflexes, and just because he he hasn't gone LS in earth's atmosphere doesn't mean that he can't. Does he really need to go LS when he could travel the entire planet in like 10 seconds?
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
1. Any strategy he thinks up would be against the guy he already fought. Sundipped Supes is in a whole nother league. Like I said, the longer he stays the stronger he gets.2. Ships have nothing to do with a character's speed. It is impossible for a character to be able to move and travel light speed, but not be able to fight at the same speed and vice versa. You say Superman can't fight at LS because you haven't seen him do it, yet you don't even know much about him. You also say Cell can destroy a solar system but you also haven't seen him do it.
3. Denial? I never said anything about an infant lifting a chair because an infant can't lift a chair. There is no proof that Cell can destroy a solar system just because Vegeta can destroy a planet.
4. You've been assuming every claim you made. Its true that DD punches and reacts way faster than someone chanting Kamehameha and shooting it out.+
1. Goku is a battle genius. you think he would not figured it out how to stop that happens twice? and since when superman would leave the battlefield and power up when he fight?
2. king kai can detect Goku while he moves 300 times faster than lightspeed but he can't detect Goku's fight when he fight freeza. and please read DBZ vol 35. Z fighters would know whether that blast can destroy a planet or not.
3. it's a parable. read that again. so, you say Cell who is much stronger than Vegeta can't do something much stronger? please... their power difference is too far. which part you don't understand?
4. you did the same. and like I said, Goku doesn't need to chant to shot kamehameha. and it's already stronger than saiyan saga Goku's which is a potential planet buster.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
1. Goku is a battle genius. you think he would not figured it out how to stop that happens twice? and since when superman would leave the battlefield and power up when he fight?2. king kai can detect Goku while he moves 300 times faster than lightspeed but he can't detect Goku's fight when he fight freeza. and please read DBZ vol 35. Z fighters would know whether that blast can destroy a planet or not.
3. it's a parable. read that again. so, you say Cell who is much stronger than Vegeta can't do something much stronger? please... their power difference is too far. which part you don't understand?
4. you did the same. and like I said, Goku doesn't need to chant to shot kamehameha. and it's already stronger than saiyan saga Goku's which is a potential planet buster.
1. What genius intellect has he shown? fight, fight fight, spirit bomb? You can't fully prepare against a newly powered version of your enemy. He's sundipped before, as long as he did it at least once then he should do it here according to you and Goku's warp kamehameha.
2. Yeah but I guess that Superman doesn't know what he can do seeing as he usually holds back.
3. Just because you are stronger than someone doesn't mean that you can do something entirely above what they did. You can be stronger than someone and still be able to only bust a planet. Hulk can get stronger than Goku so does that mean that he can bust galaxies?
4. and an unchanted one would be weaker and still slower than DD.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
1. What genius intellect has he shown? fight, fight fight, spirit bomb? You can't fully prepare against a newly powered version of your enemy. He's sundipped before, as long as he did it at least once then he should do it here according to you and Goku's warp kamehameha.2. Yeah but I guess that Superman doesn't know what he can do seeing as he usually holds back.
3. Just because you are stronger than someone doesn't mean that you can do something entirely above what they did. You can be stronger than someone and still be able to only bust a planet. Hulk can get stronger than Goku so does that mean that he can bust galaxies?
4. and an unchanted one would be weaker and still slower than DD.
1. I'm tired with this sundips. Goku can move lightspeed battlewise. even faster than his namec ship. do you think with such a speed he can't stop superman from going into sundip twice? and you can see how he destroy yakon, strike cell with his surprise kamehameha, etc? Goku is not a stupid bull when it comes to battle.
2. ??
3. let's just say Vegeta saiyan saga's PL is 10000. while we take the minimum PL from Cell = 1000000(it's impossible Cell has this low ammount of PL). Vegeta at the current PL can destroy a planet. it's obvious since mutenroshi even can destroy a moon in less than a minute. then vegeta can do worse. Cell who has 1000000 PL can destroy 100 earth with such a power. and I'm talking about minimum
4. mutenroshi's kamehameha can destroy a moon in a matter of second. Goku who is FAR too stronger and faster can do much worse.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
1. I'm tired with this sundips. Goku can move lightspeed battlewise. even faster than his namec ship. do you think with such a speed he can't stop superman from going into sundip twice? and you can see how he destroy yakon, strike cell with his surprise kamehameha, etc? Goku is not a stupid bull when it comes to battle.2. ??
3. let's just say Vegeta saiyan saga's PL is 10000. while we take the minimum PL from Cell = 1000000(it's impossible Cell has this low ammount of PL). Vegeta at the current PL can destroy a planet. it's obvious since mutenroshi even can destroy a moon in less than a minute. then vegeta can do worse. Cell who has 1000000 PL can destroy 100 earth with such a power. and I'm talking about [b]minimum
4. mutenroshi's kamehameha can destroy a moon in a matter of second. Goku who is FAR too stronger and faster can do much worse. [/B]
1. Wait he can fight faster than his ship can fly? If he can fight that fast, but you say he can't travel that fast. Superman doesn't fight to go to the sun, he just moves and since he is faster than Goku he will reach the sun. Also I didn't say anything about two sundips. He only needs 1 to crush Goku with ease.
2. I said that Superman should know what he can and can't do.
3. Irrelevant since Cell has no official PL.
4. How long did it take him to charge that beam? Superman can beat his face in before he finishes the Me part. I don't think you understand this. Superman can keep up with Flash who is faster than Goku as well, yet he can't keep up with Goku?
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
1. Wait he can fight faster than his ship can fly? If he can fight that fast, but you say he can't travel that fast. Superman doesn't fight to go to the sun, he just moves and since he is faster than Goku he will reach the sun. Also I didn't say anything about two sundips. He only needs 1 to crush Goku with ease.2. I said that Superman should know what he can and can't do.
3. Irrelevant since Cell has no official PL.
4. How long did it take him to charge that beam? Superman can beat his face in before he finishes the Me part. I don't think you understand this. Superman can keep up with Flash who is faster than Goku as well, yet he can't keep up with Goku?
1. the proof that king kai can't detect Goku's fight with Frieza while he can detect Goku's movement in that ship. and please tell me how would he crush Goku after he did a sundip.
2. I believe he knows what he can and he can't do.
3. 1 million is Frieza's 1st form PL. that's why I said minimum and impossible for perfect Cell to had such a low PL.
4. you are the one who don't understand what I said. Kamehameha doesn't even need a chant to be shot. even mutenroshi's kamehameha is capable enough to reach moon in a matter of second and destroying it. and IIRC the distance between moon and earth is about 70000 km. now don't tell me that SSJ Goku's kamehameha is weaker and slower than mutenroshi's kamehameha.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Sorry but once again, Supes combat speed is very slow compared to his travel speed. In earth's atmosphere he's even below lightspeed. Can u come up with a scan that shows he is clearly fighting at lightspeed within the earth's atmosphere? even He has too much trouble against DD.
A) Christopher Reeve Superman flew fast enough around the Earth to reverse time (greater than light speed). There is no reason to believe he couldn't flew into Goku at that same speed and obliterate him, your "combat speed" bullshit aside.
B) Brandon Routh Superman flew at such speeds while helping people around the world, he seemed to appear at more than one place at the same time(possible light speeds here). Again, there is no reason to believe why this version of Superman couldn't just fly into Goku at those speeds and destroy him.
The movies are there for you to watch; stop being such a senseless DBZ fanboy, you have no valid stance. Superman tops the ridiculous-factor in regards to abilities.
Is anyone forgetting the entire super saiyan ability? More than one person has mentioned that goku cannot get stronger whilst fighting, of cousre he can! he can transform into a super saiyan making him far more stronger, he can get as high as super saiyan 4, making him unstoppable where superman is concerned!!! And as for all the sundip methods, goku can destroy the sun, kill superman since the sun gives him power, Then wish the sun back for the people of earth with the dragonballs once superman is completely disposed of!!!!
Originally posted by worjackHas Goku shown that he can destroy the Sun?
Is anyone forgetting the entire super saiyan ability? More than one person has mentioned that goku cannot get stronger whilst fighting, of cousre he can! he can transform into a super saiyan making him far more stronger, he can get as high as super saiyan 4, making him unstoppable where superman is concerned!!! And as for all the sundip methods, goku can destroy the sun, kill superman since the sun gives him power, Then wish the sun back for the people of earth with the dragonballs once superman is completely disposed of!!!!