Kratos vs Dante

Originally posted by Burning thought
hm no it still doesnt work..

both Vergil AND Dante shoot Arkham while saying Jackpot dont they...

why in DMC 3?

Because Kratos is not human, hes shown that he can survive huge amounts of punishment from falling massive heights to crushed by Colossus and although he died later, he survived a long time against the blade of Olmypus before he died.

Just go to youtube and type "QuikSilver DMC3 Scene"

True. But Dante could have hit it by himself.

What I mean is. Why didn't it seal Arkham in Hell? But it did it to Mundus? And why didn't it finish Arkham off? But it finished Argosax?/Mundus off.

But he is mortal. And he can be killed like one. The only reason he survived[I think]is because he had The Blade in his hand. Remember when Gaia said that he had to get The Blade back in order to survive[or having hope to survive he must retreive The Blade]? He's durable but I just think that Dante is slightly more durable.

And even you have to admit getting stabbed by Alastor[God in Sword Form--which also proves Dante is immortal]is impressive. IF he was in Greek/Christian[?] myth it would be like getting stabbed by Zeus[and theoretcially he can control Zeus]

As for the Kratos can do the thing Zeus did to Titans. He couldn't because how can he found out what Zeus did? And 2nd Kratos would not be able to travel to a point in Dante's life (nor his mother and father's lives) to cause something that would either kill Dante or cause him to simply cease to exist.

Because he can only control his own thread[when he tries to use someones elses the mirror cracks]

However, Hephasestus, when he was a bay, became crippled from non-mortal wounds.), but even they're vulnerable to defeat and death. In the case of defeat, they wounded by a mere mortal (or another god) so badly that they would flee (Ares and possibly other Gods in the Trojan War) and as for death, if you take away their source of sustanance, which is ambrosia (which has appeared in DMC) and necter, they would grow weak and be vulnerable to death (This the Olypians we're talking about here. Minor Gods such as nerieds are even more vulnerable to death. The only ones who don't seem vulnerable to death and be truly immortal would be the primordial Gods, but as the case of Uranus shows, even they cannot regenerate lost organs.). The Gods in GOW may be tough, but they can also be killed by non-magical weapons (The Sword of the Gods in GOW I had no magical abilties nor gave gave off any magical indicators at all, unlike Atremis' blade which she had given to Kratos.)

As for the Demons of DMC, the only ones who show regeneratable abilities are Sparda, Dante, Vergil, and Mundus (who's still alive). Others (with Beowulf being the most prominant example) shows little to know regeneratable abilities at all. The only God who had shown healing would be Zeus, but those were only stab wounds from the BoO. All the other Gods that died so far (Ares and Athena) died from one stab.

Some info i've found. Don't reply please.

Well he will have the blade in his hand throughout this battle...., and thats still not proof that it increases his durability when wielding it, he needs the blade to have a chance of beating Zeus its true, because apprently its one of the only weapons effective aganst him.

Nothing proves Dante is immortal, immortal means you cannot die of old age but as ive said a lot of times, Alastor is featless, its not done anything impressive, if someone asked you for its feats youd prob not have many to give wheras the Blade of Olmypus has wiped out armies, sealed away armies of titans and is empowered by more than one God, both Gods powers inside the blade have also got feats of power wheras Alastor has done nothing. And how can he control Zeus? I highly doubt that....

Originally posted by Burning thought
Well he will have the blade in his hand throughout this battle...., and thats still not proof that it increases his durability when wielding it, he needs the blade to have a chance of beating Zeus its true, because apprently its one of the only weapons effective aganst him.

Nothing proves Dante is immortal, immortal means you cannot die of old age but as ive said a lot of times, Alastor is featless, its not done anything impressive, if someone asked you for its feats youd prob not have many to give wheras the Blade of Olmypus has wiped out armies, sealed away armies of titans and is empowered by more than one God, both Gods powers inside the blade have also got feats of power wheras Alastor has done nothing. And how can he control Zeus? I highly doubt that....

It can be knocked out. Probably by Gilgamesh. I think immortal also means your not a mortal.[nevermind]

Like I said. He got impaled by Alastor a GOD IN SWORD FORM. It was like saying he got stabbed by Zeus. Maybe he's nearly invincible[atleast from what we have saw]. As for controlling Zeus. In Chrisitian/Greek myth Zeus is identified as Alastor. And he got the ability of Alastor demon. So it's like saying he could control Zeus. Just because he ages doesn't mean he isn't immortal. I mean Zeus looks old. And Sparda was immortal until he gave up his powers making him power. After all Sparda's blood runs thru his veins.

The only diffrence between immortals and mortlas is that mortals can die of old age, Dante can indeed age..slower than humans but still ages.

lol thats a terrible theory, their just names and the myth is irrelvent to the fictions of the games anyway, all Alastor is, is a sword, nothing more, nothing less. And he was not stabbed by Zeus, you cant get stabbed by Zeus, Zeus is not a sword, hes a God who has shown many feats of power.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The only diffrence between immortals and mortlas is that mortals can die of old age, Dante can indeed age..slower than humans but still ages.

lol thats a terrible theory, their just names and the myth is irrelvent to the fictions of the games anyway, all Alastor is, is a sword, nothing more, nothing less. And he was not stabbed by Zeus, you cant get stabbed by Zeus, Zeus is not a sword, hes a God who has shown many feats of power.

So I guess Kratos can since he was called a mortal.

Actually Alastor was a God. But he was in Physical Form. And Alastor was a Lighting God and Zeus was a Lighting God and so was Alastor. Alastor has been identified as Zeus. He still can control Zeus since Alastor is identified as Zeus. Just as Pluto is identified as Hades.[Mundus] Kind of how Dante can control Sparda.

A better fight would be Kratos vs Nero.

And Dante is might strong. He was holding blades with a Demon-Lord as big as collosus. And defeated[or killed]him by DT-ing. But like I said there no telling how strong Dante is. Considering he doesn't depend on strength.

But then again Kratos is by birth an immortal, and he has not aged in looks since weve played as him throughout the games, hes not gotten much older in appearance if at all.

Just because Alastor and Zeus both are powers over lightning doesnt mean their anywhere near the same in power, Zeus has shown vast power over lightning and weather. Dante just controls weapons...nothing more

why?

and Kratos had thrown the colossus of rhodes at his second strongest form....his strongest is likely the current one, since he has the power of Zeus AND his old power in the sword..

Originally posted by Burning thought
But then again Kratos is by birth an immortal, and he has not aged in looks since weve played as him throughout the games, hes not gotten much older in appearance if at all.

Just because Alastor and Zeus both are powers over lightning doesnt mean their anywhere near the same in power, Zeus has shown vast power over lightning and weather. Dante just controls weapons...nothing more

why?

and Kratos had thrown the colossus of rhodes at his second strongest form....his strongest is likely the current one, since he has the power of Zeus AND his old power in the sword..

True. He kinda looked young in Chains of Olympus. And slightly aged you might be right. He might not die of old age.

True. But he has power over lighting also. But he's still identified as Zeus. He might be as strong as Zeus but still. He could control Zeus like he does Sparda's Sword. So in other words if in Greek Myth. He would have the ability to control and have the power of Zeus. He has power over them as well. Because Alastor and Ifrit try to doefeat the humans that require them.

I feel like Dante is too powerful for Kratos[now God Kratos might be a little different]. And Kratos is more on Nero's league, maybe even Ryu.

He throwed it because he had some of his Godly Power inside him. I think he's the strongest when he was a God. Since Zeus had to trick him and couldn't take him on.

Originally posted by Gumachi
True. He kinda looked young in Chains of Olympus. And slightly aged you might be right. He might not die of old age.

True. But he has power over lighting also. But he's still identified as Zeus. He might be as strong as Zeus but still. He could control Zeus like he does Sparda's Sword. So in other words if in Greek Myth. He would have the ability to control and have the power of Zeus. He has power over them as well. Because Alastor and Ifrit try to doefeat the humans that require them.

I feel like Dante is too powerful for Kratos[now God Kratos might be a little different]. And Kratos is more on Nero's league, maybe even Ryu.

He throwed it because he had some of his Godly Power inside him. I think he's the strongest when he was a God. Since Zeus had to trick him and couldn't take him on.

You only feel that now because weve discovered Kratos has better durability, power, weapons (by a huge margin) and that Dante couldnt beat him without Yamato most likely, which in the long run....he doesnt even have anymore...

yeh but as a God he didnt have the power of the Titans OR the most powerful Sword in God of war universe nor did he control his fate.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You only feel that now because weve discovered Kratos has better durability, power, weapons (by a huge margin) and that Dante couldnt beat him without Yamato most likely, which in the long run....he doesnt even have anymore...

yeh but as a God he didnt have the power of the Titans OR the most powerful Sword in God of war universe nor did he control his fate.

Kratos couldn't beat him with any of his weapons[MAYBE EXCEPT THE BLADE but Dante wouldn't allow to get impaled and even if he does DT]. ALL of Dante's weapons are divine. And Sparda's Sword would kill Kratos. Because it contains the power of Sparda and is the most powerful sword in DMC. Actually Dante has better durability, power, weapons , endurance[well endurance is about the same], speed, and skill[technique also]. He could die by a normal sword because he's mortal. Pandora? Ifrit? Alastor? Nevan? Gilgamesh? Lucifer? and many more could all hurt and kill Kratos. As for Athena Blades he could just laugh. [The Blade might be a little different and it just MIGHT slow him down--which I doubt] But who knows?

He has THE RAGE OF THE TITANS. True but that doesn't make him as poweful, because Zeus nearly ended his life until Kratos had to trick him.

And don't forget Rebellion has Demonic Power[Dante[and Sparda?]which could kill Kratos. Which would slice thru Krato's like paper lol. Since he can't regenerate.

If Rebellion hurt Dante[but only once]it can hurt Kratos as well. I think it also hurt Arkham who had Sparda's power.

There are two scenes, actually, with Capcom's factual backing, in DMC3 where Vergil slashes clean through Dante's arm, but the healing power inherent in their demon blood is so fast-acting that before the wounds could even bleed, the arm had been reattached, and Vergil's sword moves pretty quick.

As soon a flesh tears, as soon a veins burst, as soon as bones shatter, they're instantly healed and reattached.

Getting hit with Beowulf/Ifrit/Gilgamesh is like said Kratos getting hit by Zeus' Gaunlet[Beowulf?][maybe even Collosus' Hand]

The Blade of Olympus was designed to kill those of olympian bloodlines, so whether or not it would have any effect on demons is debatable.

Don't forget Dante killed Echidna with 1 bullet the same could be said for Kratos 🙂

Medusa's head could not turn Dante to stone; If not for Dante's cellular regeneration healing petrified cells as they turn.

All Dante needs to do when battling anything powered or composed of divine origin now is charge his shots with his Devil energy and, just as Sparda did two thousand years ago, fire a Jackpot Seal that, upon contact, will seal the target away for eternity in HELL (not Hades!). But I do think Dante and Kratos whooping on the Gods would be awesome.

DON'T REPLY.

Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
Yeah Charlotte, he isn't a Kratos fanboy, he is a Kain fanboy.

I know who is it, darling🙂)

As for Dante aging, he ages till he's at his peak. In DMC2 he looks physically no older than in DMC4 (in fact, some people say he looks older in DMC4 even though he's about 32 in DMC4 and 45-50 in DMC2- cause of lack of proper shave).
Once he reaches "peak" he technically stops aging. When Sparda died being 2000+ years old, his human form looked like 40-something years old man (if we want to believe gameart depiction of Dante's dad).

Where do you get all of this information lol?

That age numbers are just estimations made on Devil's Lair board- but I guess those are fairly correct. As far as age goes.

Dante gets orphaned- his 8th birthday
DMC3- 10 years after that, Dante's 18 (or just turned 19)
DMC1- 10 years after DMC3- Dante's 28 (or 29)
there's just a few years between DMC1 and DMC4. But there's the thing that helps- Lady's age was stated to be 29 in DMC4 by developers (IIRC) and she was 16 in DMC3, makes it 13 years between DMC3 and DMC4, so Dante's 32 in DMC4.

As for DMC2, it's 20+years in the future from DMC1 so Dante's 50 there.
Simple math🙂
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As for aging\regen thing. In fact, regen is responsible for Dante being ageless in sence of aging only till certain age which is peak. After that "peak" stage the slow decay of your body as it's getting older starts. Dante's demonic physiology prevents that decay, basically preserving his body at his peak age for unknown period of time (can be millenia). He'll never age past 30-smth physically.

http://hk.geocities.com/rks_dmcpic15/c_04.JPG
Sparda looks in human form, believed to be him approximately at time he fathered twins. He surely doesn't look 2000+ years old. Same goes to his sons. Once fully matured the body stops aging for that demonic family.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Kratos couldn't beat him with any of his weapons[MAYBE EXCEPT THE BLADE but Dante wouldn't allow to get impaled and even if he does DT]. ALL of Dante's weapons are divine. And Sparda's Sword would kill Kratos. Because it contains the power of Sparda and is the most powerful sword in DMC. Actually Dante has better durability, power, weapons , endurance[well endurance is about the same], speed, and skill[technique also]. He could die by a normal sword because he's mortal. Pandora? Ifrit? Alastor? Nevan? Gilgamesh? Lucifer? and many more could all hurt and kill Kratos. As for Athena Blades he could just laugh. [The Blade might be a little different and it just MIGHT slow him down--which I doubt] But who knows?

He has THE RAGE OF THE TITANS. True but that doesn't make him as poweful, because Zeus nearly ended his life until Kratos had to trick him.

Theres no evidence for any of this....all of Kratos' weapons would work on Dante and would destroy him. Kratos would never die from a normal sword, he didnt die from being crushed by Colossus OR falling 100 meters or more....10 meters could prob break or damage a regulour guys leg yet kratos doesnt even flinch.

Dante has no real durability feats, he has regenration but even the developers say its not unstoppable, Kratos' weapons are all more powerful than Dantes by a long shot.

Zeus is still more powerful, he had a huge advantage of being the size of the tower of Tirigamu tower in DMC 3 and having powerufl lightning to fire at Kratos with impunity...

Originally posted by Burning thought
Theres no evidence for any of this....all of Kratos' weapons would work on Dante and would destroy him. Kratos would never die from a normal sword, he didnt die from being crushed by Colossus OR falling 100 meters or more....10 meters could prob break or damage a regulour guys leg yet kratos doesnt even flinch.

Dante has no real durability feats, he has regenration but even the developers say its not unstoppable, Kratos' weapons are all more powerful than Dantes by a long shot.

Zeus is still more powerful, he had a huge advantage of being the size of the tower of Tirigamu tower in DMC 3 and having powerufl lightning to fire at Kratos with impunity...

Lighting can't hurt him. Atlas Quake is nonething he can move out of range. Eurayle's Rage I already explained that. And Typhon's Bow wind is nonething to Kratos and Dante has wind also. Spear of Destiny--Nah. And well Barbarian's Hammaer is slow and well it would kill him regardless. He's a mortal and he will die like one. Just because he didn't die from that doesn't mean he can take a regular sword. How can you say these things can't kill Kratos? All these things are Demonic-Forged powers which could kill Kratos. Just in God of War universe God's Forged powers. DMC Demonic-Forged powers are no different.[you get what i'm saying?] If Perseus[son of Zeus]got killed by being throwed on into a normal hook, couldn't the same be said for Kratos? No matter how "tough" you are EVERY video-game character has a weakness. Maybe The Blade of Olympus? But Dante's other weapons are much stronger.[and some of the are almost the same]

He has taken more than Kratos though and still hasn't been worn down[except when he got impaled with Yamato and Nether Spikes from Mundus]. True Capcom did say it can be worn down. But you can forget about that.[unless it's a bigass weapon lol]

I don't these he's the size of Tem-ni-gru[could be?]

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
That age numbers are just estimations made on Devil's Lair board- but I guess those are fairly correct. As far as age goes.

Dante gets orphaned- his 8th birthday
DMC3- 10 years after that, Dante's 18 (or just turned 19)
DMC1- 10 years after DMC3- Dante's 28 (or 29)
there's just a few years between DMC1 and DMC4. But there's the thing that helps- Lady's age was stated to be 29 in DMC4 by developers (IIRC) and she was 16 in DMC3, makes it 13 years between DMC3 and DMC4, so Dante's 32 in DMC4.

As for DMC2, it's 20+years in the future from DMC1 so Dante's 50 there.
Simple math🙂
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As for aging\regen thing. In fact, regen is responsible for Dante being ageless in sence of aging only till certain age which is peak. After that "peak" stage the slow decay of your body as it's getting older starts. Dante's demonic physiology prevents that decay, basically preserving his body at his peak age for unknown period of time (can be millenia). He'll never age past 30-smth physically.

http://hk.geocities.com/rks_dmcpic15/c_04.JPG
Sparda looks in human form, believed to be him approximately at time he fathered twins. He surely doesn't look 2000+ years old. Same goes to his sons. Once fully matured the body stops aging for that demonic family.

Cool I didn't know that

Another 5 cents. Technically there's no difference between "I took hit to the face from Class 100 dude and didn't feel it due to my body tissue being harder that one of mortals" and "I took hit to the face from Class 100 dude, but my body regenerated in an instant so I didn't even feel it".
In the end, result is the same. Regen and pain tolerance often compensate for "superhard body" with the same end result which is "both contestants can take unearthly amouths of damage".

As for Royal Guard vs Golden Fleece, even if we believe both are avaliable... in fact, Dante's in more profitable situation there.

Let's look at both techniques closer:
Royal Guard- absorbs kinetic energy from enemy's attacks, accumulates it, then allows you to use it to either attack enemy or surround yourslef in forcefield (Ultimate) or power armour (Dreadnought).

Golden Fleece- deflects physical attacks back onto enemy.

Physically Kratos is MUCH stronger than Dante, and due to energy-absorbing nature of Royal Guard gives him one hell of charge. It's useful against the enemy who's physically stronger than you due to its accumulating properties, unlike Golden Fleece that merely deflects attacks back on the attacker.
IMO that's a situation when bigger is better...for your opponent.

Just my 5 cents and not definite opinion.