In my (quite womanish) opinion a lot in the outcome of the thread is defined by stereotypes which is "badass bald wrestler" vs "metrosexual" (no matter how badass). In fact, Kratos as character doesn't apply to me- but note that to vote for someone based SIMPLY on looks would be a definition of fanboy for me (stereotypes can still affect the way how some people think, the popularity of MMAs make Kratos more of appealing type of badass for many).
My opinion can be summed up as:
1. Kratos has desent reaction speed feats, but nothing in that department puts him above Dante- equal at the very best. Dante has more and better combat speed feats. Time manip also isn't out of picture (and in DMC3 and DMC1 it's omnidirectional time manip, not something aimed unlike Medusa gaze).
2. The Fate thing is kind of overrated by Kratos supporters. He can control only his own thread and needs access to the actual mirror to do that. Yet Kratos crowd likes to use it anytime Kratos is against a foe with some degree of time manip.
Kratos also has one hit stun attack, however it's unidirectional and requires an aim (if you take a myth from where it originated all you needed to avoid it is not to look in its direction). Aiming onto somebody who's 10+ times faster than you, can fly etc is surely more difficult than PWNing sort of a godmother of "Damsel in Distress" stereotype (Persephone- if you ask me to name more featless mythological being from high end of pantheon, it would be hard to do that (maybe Hestia?)).
When people start bringing "Kratos reacts on lightning" they forget one thing- Dante ALSO has and can react on it (Blitzes anyone? Nevan?). He's also leagues faster when it comes to actual speed feats.
In a quickdraw match Dante wins cause of being faster, having better or in WORST case equal reaction speed and OMNIDIRECTIONAL "one hit stun" attack (I don't buy regen saving Dante from Medusa gaze, as magical transmutation happens in instant and nowhere Dante has shown protection against that, so it would have won Kratos a match if not for it needed to be aimed). Once put in stasis, I don't buy anything about Kratos' head being impossible to cut off (nowhere was that shown) by magical weaponry.
In short, that's why I think Dante wins that. Not by a large margin, though, if we use 10\10 system, I'd put it at 6-7\10 as it's not totally impossible for Kratos to win (to state otherwise would=fanboyism).
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
In my (quite womanish) opinion a lot in the outcome of the thread is defined by stereotypes which is "badass bald wrestler" vs "metrosexual" (no matter how badass). In fact, Kratos as character doesn't apply to me- but note that to vote for someone based SIMPLY on looks would be a definition of fanboy for me (stereotypes can still affect the way how some people think, the popularity of MMAs make Kratos more of appealing type of badass for many).My opinion can be summed up as:
1. Kratos has desent reaction speed feats, but nothing in that department puts him above Dante- equal at the very best. Dante has more and better combat speed feats. Time manip also isn't out of picture (and in DMC3 and DMC1 it's omnidirectional time manip, not something aimed unlike Medusa gaze).
2. The Fate thing is kind of overrated by Kratos supporters. He can control only his own thread and needs access to the actual mirror to do that. Yet Kratos crowd likes to use it anytime Kratos is against a foe with some degree of time manip.Kratos also has one hit stun attack, however it's unidirectional and requires an aim (if you take a myth from where it originated all you needed to avoid it is not to look in its direction). Aiming onto somebody who's 10+ times faster than you, can fly etc is surely more difficult than PWNing sort of a godmother of "Damsel in Distress" stereotype (Persephone- if you ask me to name more featless mythological being from high end of pantheon, it would be hard to do that (maybe Hestia?)).
When people start bringing "Kratos reacts on lightning" they forget one thing- Dante ALSO has and can react on it (Blitzes anyone? Nevan?). He's also leagues faster when it comes to actual speed feats.In a quickdraw match Dante wins cause of being faster, having better or in WORST case equal reaction speed and OMNIDIRECTIONAL "one hit stun" attack (I don't buy regen saving Dante from Medusa gaze, as magical transmutation happens in instant and nowhere Dante has shown protection against that, so it would have won Kratos a match if not for it needed to be aimed). Once put in stasis, I don't buy anything about Kratos' head being impossible to cut off (nowhere was that shown) by magical weaponry.
In short, that's why I think Dante wins that. Not by a large margin, though, if we use 10\10 system, I'd put it at 6-7\10 as it's not totally impossible for Kratos to win (to state otherwise would=fanboyism).
1. Deflecting lightning is not a decent reaction feat, its a great one. Lightning travels at 60k miles per second, so kratos does have extremely good reaction feats.What is dantes extremely fast speed going to do if the person your fighting has better reactions? Dantes whole close combat game is completely not an option in this fight due to kratos' reaction which means dante cant try to speed blitz him, and due to kratos' close range abiliites, which is all of his weapons, and almost all of his magics.
2. Dante has time manipulation, im not gonna lie. But im also not gonna lie when i say that kratos has time manipulation too, it was implied when he used his time controlling powers when the loom chamber was destroyed (how could he use the "mirror" if it was destroyed?) and was directly stated by mother gaia herself. If thats not enough proof for anybody, then your just naive and blind. Im not saying you are, dont take it personal, just refusing to believe that kratos has time controlling powers after I have gave you more than enough proof is just wrong. And anyone who deems this a cheap move, i agree with you, but the same goes for dante.
Kratos' eurayle head doesnt just work in front of him, it can also work in a wide area would you know if you had played the game.
Kratos also has long range capabilites if dante tries to run away. He has the lightning bolts from zues and typhons bane, which can shoot mini tornadoes.
Strength: Kratos easily
Endurance: Kratos. Dante has good endurance but to try as hard as kratos does, get knocked around a lot, and not show any once of getting tired like 99% if the time is extremely good.
Speed: physical: definitely dante. Reaction: kratos.
Weaponry: I would have to say kratos, as most of dantes weapons are just straight out useless. He does have some good weapons (rebellion, Beowulf, E & I, Agni and Rudra) But almost all of weapons except a few are very useful.
Durability: Dante solely on the fact that he has regeneration. Kratos does have a lot of durabiliy tho, him being able to be thrown through bulidings and act like nothing happened.
Magic: Kratos, as dante doesnt have many magic attacks.
Can immortals[Dante]even be stoned? If you play DMC3, then Dante can jump out of range. Even if he does get stoned he can DT his way out.
2. Dante has time manipulation, im not gonna lie. But im also not gonna lie when i say that kratos has time manipulation too, it was implied when he used his time controlling powers when the loom chamber was destroyed (how could he use the "mirror" if it was destroyed?) and was directly stated by mother gaia herself. If thats not enough proof for anybody, then your just naive and blind. Im not saying you are, dont take it personal, just refusing to believe that kratos has time controlling powers after I have gave you more than enough proof is just wrong. And anyone who deems this a cheap move, i agree with you, but the same goes for dante.
"The power of the Fate's reside in these great mirrors" Technially at the end of God of War II he is still inside the mirror. But we will have to wait until God of War III to see how his Fate's power work. But who knows the mirror[or temple]is destroyed and his Fate's powers are probably gone now.
"Kratos also has long range capabilites if dante tries to run away. He has the lightning bolts from zues and typhons bane, which can shoot mini tornadoes"
Dante has lighting also[Alastor/Nevan]. And Dante has Rudra so Dante can make tornados as well. And it's been showed lighting can't kill him[maybe stun him at the most]
Don't forget that these weapons are Demonic-Forged so they can cause damage to Kratos.
stop your talk about irrelvent titles and statistics such as "immortal" giving any reason to resist an attack, its not logical.
Nothing shows he is immune to lightning furthermore he doesnt have lightning or real hurriacnes or tornados, Agni and rudra create a very small blast around him when he uses them and Alastor/Nevan dont shoot lightning bolts.
Originally posted by Burning thought
stop your talk about irrelvent titles and statistics such as "immortal" giving any reason to resist an attack, its not logical.
He got stabbed by a God[Alastor]in sword form. If that doesn't prove it, you can prove he isn't immortal as well so stfu. My post was not towards you anyway. Furthermore he's immortal to mortal means. When's it's demonic he can be hurt.
That's like saying the Greek Gods arn't immortal as well, right?
"Nothing shows he is immune to lightning furthermore he doesnt have lightning or real hurriacnes or tornados, Agni and rudra create a very small blast around him when he uses them and Alastor/Nevan dont shoot lightning bolts"
He got stabbed by a Lighting God. And it didn't effect him, and shocked by Trish it didn't effect him, and got shocked by lighting from crossing a bridge and it didn't effect him. So? Agni=Tornados and he still can make tornados. So what? Bolts or not, Lighting is lighting regardless of bolts or not. Besides why need bolts why there are inside your body and you blast shots everytime you more your hands?
Tune-up (ground) Special stance used to link into certain combo attacks.
Nevan Combo I (Tune-up) Attack surrounding enemies with a flurry of bats and powerful lightning.
Nevan Combo II + (Tune-up) Attack the enemy using multiple bat strikes.
Jam Session Crazy Nevan Combo II Pick your guitar with blinding speeds, summoning a massive horde of blood-thirsty bats to attack enemies.
Nevan Combo III + (Tune-up) Attack enemies with successive high-energy lightning blasts.
Air Play (mid-air) Jam on your guitar while in mid-air to summon a swarm of blood-thirsty bats.
Reverb Shock ++ Charge at the enemy and hit them with a powerful electric attack. Level 2 fires an electric attack in conjunction with summoning a horde of bats to damage the enemy.
Bat Rift ++ Swing your guitar in a massive arc pattern, slashing a nearby enemy. Level 2 knocks the enemy into the air, then summons a swarm of blood-thirsty bats, which do additional damage via a homing attack.
Air Raid + (mid-air, Devil Trigger) After transforming into Demon form, you can spread out your ultra-powerful demon wings to float in the air for a limited time.
Thunder Bolt (Air Raid) Cook the enemy with electrified arrows while floating in the air.
Vortex (Air Raid) Perform a charge spin-attack from the air while in free-floating form.
[edit] Swordmaster StyleAction Command Description
Slash (ground) Attack enemies with the bladed section of your ultra-rockin' guitar.
Air Slash (mid-air) Attack enemies from mid-air with the reaper guitar in this aerial version of the classic Slash maneuver.
Feedback ++ Whirl your guitar around your body to hit any enemy in the immediate vicinity.
Crazy Roll Crazy Feedback Generate electricity while rocking forward into unsuspecting enemies.
Distortion ++ Master the awesome power of nature by attacking enemies with a barrage of bats coupled with blasts of lightning.
It's like throwing 100 bolts except there in "bat" form.
Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening, Devil Arms File — Agni & Rudra: "Blades with serrated edges that hurl forth fire and tornado-like gusts."
He doesn't have lighting explain Alastor.
"Nothing shows he is immune to lightning furthermore he doesnt have lightning"
"Alastor/Nevan dont shoot lightning bolts"
Originally posted by Gumachi
Can immortals[Dante]even be stoned? If you play DMC3, then Dante can jump out of range. Even if he does get stoned he can DT his way out.
Originally posted by Gumachi
"The power of the Fate's reside in these great mirrors" Technially at the end of God of War II he is still inside the mirror. But we will have to wait until God of War III to see how his Fate's power work. But who knows the mirror[or temple]is destroyed and his Fate's powers are probably gone now.
No he was NOT in the loom chamber. I dont care if the fates power resided in those great mirrors, because obviously its a lie if: 1) The loom chamber was destroyed at the time when kratos use his time controlling powers, 2) the last thing mother gaia said to kratos was that he had the power to control time, so anything she said before that doesnt count.
And no, we are not going to wait till gw3, thats totally irrelevant to this subject. Its obvious that there not going to let you control time, because what fun would it be if they let us control time and just kill everybody?The point is that kratos does have the power to control time in this fight, so deal with it.
Originally posted by Gumachi
Dante has lighting also[Alastor/Nevan]. And Dante has Rudra so Dante can make tornados as well. And it's been showed lighting can't kill him[maybe stun him at the most]
Originally posted by Gumachi
Don't forget that these weapons are Demonic-Forged so they can cause damage to Kratos.
I never said they wouldnt cause damage to kratos, so you saying this is just like you stating facts. And most of kratos' magic was either given to him by a god or a titan, and 2 of his most powerful weapons ( BoO and Blades of Athena) were both forged by there respective gods.
Originally posted by Gumachi
He got stabbed by a God[Alastor]in sword form. If that doesn't prove it, you can prove he isn't immortal as well so stfu. My post was not towards you anyway. Furthermore he's immortal to mortal means. When's it's demonic he can be hurt.That's like saying the Greek Gods arn't immortal as well, right?
"Nothing shows he is immune to lightning furthermore he doesnt have lightning or real hurriacnes or tornados, Agni and rudra create a very small blast around him when he uses them and Alastor/Nevan dont shoot lightning bolts"
He got stabbed by a Lighting God. And it didn't effect him, and shocked by Trish it didn't effect him, and got shocked by lighting from crossing a bridge and it didn't effect him. So? Agni=Tornados and he still can make tornados. So what? Bolts or not, Lighting is lighting regardless of bolts or not. Besides why need bolts why there are inside your body and you blast shots everytime you more your hands?
AKA a featless sword...yeh we all know that one...and he didnt survive because hes immortal, you have a terrible habit of using titles and whats worse your using them irrelevently, he survived because he can regenerate....
And k1Lla441 post was not towards you....
THe Greek gods cant die of Old age...so no, their immortal alright, their just also very very durable to damage, as shown, immortatlity is nothing to do with resistance.
no he got stabbed by a sword possessed by Alastor, both are featless and no lightning was present....and even if lightning exploded out of it...that doesnt make him immune to lightning.
Originally posted by Burning thought
AKA a featless sword...yeh we all know that one...and he didnt survive because hes immortal, you have a terrible habit of using titles and whats worse your using them irrelevently, he survived because he can regenerate....And k1Lla441 post was not towards you....
THe Greek gods cant die of Old age...so no, their immortal alright, their just also very very durable to damage, as shown, immortatlity is nothing to do with resistance.
no he got stabbed by a sword possessed by Alastor, both are featless and no lightning was present....and even if lightning exploded out of it...that doesnt make him immune to lightning.
Lighting is lighting. How do you know?
So? And you said you were done debating with me.
Durable to damage? Ares was beat by humans like you and be in the Trojan War[serverly damaged and had to run].
Lie. Not featless. Alastor=Lighting/Thunder God.[Go to Capcom Central]Lighting hasnt' been able to hurt him[only in gameplay]but in cutscenes it doesn't effect him.
YouTube video
And you haven't proved he isn't immortal.
Originally posted by k1Lla441
Yes immortals can be stoned. And where does it say or show dante being immortal? And the only reason i was talking about the head of euryal was because somebody implyed that it only had frontal attacks, not because it was the only thing that would work against dante.No he was NOT in the loom chamber. I dont care if the fates power resided in those great mirrors, because obviously its a lie if: 1) The loom chamber was destroyed at the time when kratos use his time controlling powers, 2) the [b]last
thing mother gaia said to kratos was that he had the power to control time, so anything she said before that doesnt count.
And no, we are not going to wait till gw3, thats totally irrelevant to this subject. Its obvious that there not going to let you control time, because what fun would it be if they let us control time and just kill everybody?The point is that kratos does have the power to control time in this fight, so deal with it.I never said dante didnt have lightning, i was just stating some of kratios' long range attacks is all. And the lightning kratos would be using in a fight against dante would be way different as it was given to him by 1 titan and 1 god, which would probably much stronger than your average lightning.
I never said they wouldnt cause damage to kratos, so you saying this is just like you stating facts. And most of kratos' magic was either given to him by a god or a titan, and 2 of his most powerful weapons ( BoO and Blades of Athena) were both forged by there respective gods. [/B]
Well Debel mentioned he was immortal[unable to die of old age]because he's reached his "peak" and well he got stabbed by a God in Sword Form[shows he isn't mortal]
"No he was NOT in the loom chamber. I dont care if the fates power resided in those great mirrors, because obviously its a lie if: 1) The loom chamber was destroyed at the time when kratos use his time controlling powers, 2) the last thing mother gaia said to kratos was that he had the power to control time, so anything she said before that doesnt count.
And no, we are not going to wait till gw3, thats totally irrelevant to this subject. Its obvious that there not going to let you control time, because what fun would it be if they let us control time and just kill everybody?The point is that kratos does have the power to control time"
He got stabbed by a God. If that doesn't prove his immortality you can't.[he isn't mortal]. So Gods[immortals]can be stoned as well?
1.Nah, because it wasn't destoryed but the temple was rumbling.
2.How? That's like said anything Sony said doesn't count.
3.Only his own thread.
4."You have power to control time" "The power of The Fates reside in these great mirrors" But that together and what do you have?
The other 2 post was towards BT.
Rebellion[?]and Sparda's Sword for Dante.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBelI'm staying out of this debate because I refuse to debate with the logic used by Gumachi, but on this particular subject, Kratos on-screen was shown using it without the Loom Chamber to teleport himself and the Titans into the future to Mount Olympus.
2. The Fate thing is kind of overrated by Kratos supporters. He can control only his own thread and needs access to the actual mirror to do that. Yet Kratos crowd likes to use it anytime Kratos is against a foe with some degree of time manip.
What you are suggesting is that he must use the Loom chamber as a medium to the time periods, yet going by that, he clearly did not.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
I'm staying out of this debate because I refuse to debate with the logic used by Gumachi, but on this particular subject, Kratos on-screen was shown using it without the Loom Chamber to teleport himself and the Titans into the future to Mount Olympus.What you are suggesting is that he must use the Loom chamber as a medium to the time periods, yet going by that, he clearly did not.
YouTube video See he was inside the mirror. And he could've went to a part of his life. Or something. He went in the present time.
[And he can't alter anyone's life, if so why didn't The Fates kill him as a baby?
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
I don't see a thing.Not sure what you are talking about him going to a part of his life.
Why? Well if I had to guess because they were arrogant b!tches. Or maybe Kratos was destined by them to kill them.
Or maybe it was PIS>
Look at vid again[@14:23].
Oh, nvm about that.
He can only control his thread. If he uses someone else thread the mirror cracks. The only reason he could go back to the Titan-War was because Zeus was his father, and well he fought in the war.[I hope you get what I mean]
If The Fates needed the mirror, why doesn't Kratos need it? Furthermore if he didn't need the mirror, he wouldn't have used the thread to go back in time to gather up the Titans, nor would he have went back for when Zeus impaled him and used the thread. He would have just teleported when he impaled him.