Originally posted by CosmicComet
Well no Dante is clearly faster, but I was just demonstrating that Kratos' reflexes are just too fast. Which is more important than straight speed.
Cosmic, I apologize for my actions, and how stupid I was acting. I was kinda in a "funny" moment, sorry for the smartass comments. I apologize for my actions. And I shouldn't have done what I did. But as for the "demi-god" thing, Kratos had his powers drained, as a full-god, don't you think he would have had enough powers to move "up" his hand? Whatever, if was that you said, about having "all of his powers" getting drained. As for the KO thing, don't forget that Morpheus easily put the Gods to sleep, even Zeus.
1O_rIvOsK8Y&feature=related Kratos was EASILY KNOCKED OUT[unconcious]by Charon.
[Charon swings his massive scythe at Kratos, who is no match for the
Ferryman.]
The camera pans out, showing the large ferry.
[Charon drags Kratos to the port side of the ferry ]
Charon : You chose your path ... [he drops Kratos' body over the bloody waterfall into the abyss below] Ghost of Sparta!
Also, has NONETHING to do with this, but Gilgamesh[and Beowulf]also gives Dante brute-force. Imagine, if Judgment Cut was used on Kratos.
"Made of a devilish metal that absorbs organic material and transforms it to steel, this weapon will shock and awe enemies with its brute force. "
http://devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/Gilgamesh
Well, Dante's feat strengths are: Preventing Echinda from eating him[like Kratos did Hydra], blocking Savior's Punch and pushed his fist away, tossing around a motorcycle, and knocking down a stone monume[he probably could have picked up Berial, as Nero's Devil Bringer[Right Arm of Vergil's Devil Trigger]did. I think that's it. For what we have saw Kratos is physically stronger, but Dante NEVER uses brute-force, so we don't know how strong he is, he is probably just as strong is not stronger.
I'm sorry but Dante does not have the endurance advantage. In the least. He has been shown to tire too many times and after relatively little activity.
Kratos has the better demonstrated endurance/stamina. The only time he was ever shown to tire was at the very end of Chains of Olympus and following that quest he went through much more in his subsequent adventures without tiring at all. And you can't try to use that Kraken sequence as a demonstration as that was Kratos giving up hope NOT tiring because he just learned that his home state Sparta was destroyed, and soon after Gaia motivated him with the vision of his wife he promptly whooped ass.
Kratos has the vast strength advantage, better stamina, better pure durability, far better demonstrated reflexes, better magic, better defenses, not to mention the more powerful weapons.
Hey, even you have to admit, the speeds him and Vergil were going he HAD to be tired. And Kratos was tired just as Dante was, Dante had tooken "too much power. " from my point of view. Hell, he didn't SEEM to take a breath, after ALL THE SHIT he went thru DMC3[after Vergil impaling him]and DMC2, and DMC4. I mean, even Kratos was K.O.ed after Charon swung his scythe. Even Lady climbed up the Hell's Tower and wasn't tired.
Well, you can't say Dante was tired in DMC3, because that WAS his weakest incarnation. "Hope" all i'm saying he would hvae been nearly killed. Dante did alot too, without being tired, and if your talking about DMC3 when he fought Vergil, he still put up a fight, hell, to be "tired" he was moving fast, as if he wasn't.
Dante: More Weapons, Speed, Endurance, Stamina, Durance, Reflexes, Defense, better reaction. More powerful weapons? Well, he has more powerful weapons than Kratos imo. Endurance means how much damage you can take. Kratos was servely injured by Collosus hand, but Dante got punched by Beowulf and got up. I would say their endurance[?] are the same. As for durability, it means how long you can last, I might have to give that one to Dante[he took 6 blades all over his body and didn't notice]and Yamato [and Rebellion?]hurt Dante, because well, it was a devil arm lol.
And as for strength; "Look up the demo boss fight with Nero for DMC4, and look how he essentially backhanded the boss into the air, and how Nero easily flaunts his enemies about with one hand - the hand (Devil Bringer) is the embodiment of Vergil (Dante's brother), and Capcom's exact quote concerning the twins is "Identical faces, Identical powers"; I'd like to see Kratos juggle a 200 ton Goliath with one hand, much less two. "
Dante.
Dante is not Nero. Dante is not Vergil.
Dante is Dante.
stick to what HE can do and him alone, you ALWAYS bring up other people and don't stay on the task at hand. And you make it sound like Dante only got tired after completing all the games in one false swoop, but he is shown getting worn out in many other cut scenes between them.
I'm certain that Kratos could thwart away such weak attacks from that enemy. And you don't seem to understand the word juggle well.
And Because it was a Devil Arm has been debunked, it is proof that Dante can't take damage equivalent to such power, which I'm sure Kratos can. Endurance and durability go hand in hand. What you can take by an attack, and if you do take the attack how long you can last. Kratos has fought things far beyond in the greater sense of beings that Dante goes up against.
Just stick to the debate via Dante though. I honestly don't see him being able to keep up the entire fight, he would tire out and Kratos would take the win in the virtual end.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
I'm sorry but Dante does not have the endurance advantage. In the least. He has been shown to tire too many times and after relatively little activity.Kratos has the better demonstrated endurance/stamina. The only time he was ever shown to tire was at the very end of Chains of Olympus and following that quest he went through much more in his subsequent adventures without tiring at all. And you can't try to use that Kraken sequence as a demonstration as that was Kratos giving up hope NOT tiring because he just learned that his home state Sparta was destroyed, and soon after Gaia motivated him with the vision of his wife he promptly whooped ass.
Kratos has the vast strength advantage, better stamina, better pure durability, far better demonstrated reflexes, better magic, better defenses, not to mention the more powerful weapons.
Dante has reaction[and has dodge/reacted lighting], and Kratos never dodged actually lighting, only bolts Zeus was THROWING at him. You realize how stupid that sounds? Not only had Kratos NEVER fought someone at a high-speed['cept maybe Zeus], but there is no way in hell, he would just "grab" his sword. He didn't just "grab" Zeus sword. Can Kratos react to a bullet? No. He would "easily" grab his sword, no just no, no only has he NEVER been blitzed, but Dante could do the same.
So? The point it, it wasn't actual lighting, from the sky, just bolts. Besides, he only reacted to lighting[bolts]ONLY in gameplay.
Dante went at meteor speed and the Alastor scene he was waving the sword around, before the glass hit the ground, and dodged bullets. You mean to tell me he can't react to lighting?
Well, in THAT terms, he could push him off in gameplay, but in THAT term, he probably wouldn't just dodge lighting. Ever wondered what happened if you didn't tap O?
Funny. Kratos "react" to lighting[and could grab his sword and break it], but he couldn't even react when Ares throwed that pillar at him, nor could he react when Charon swung his scythe at him.
When Dante got shot, didn't you notice the bullet /seemed/ to bounce off? Even when he got shot in the stomach, it had no effect.
As for tiring; He never technially "climbed" in that sense of way. And, fighting is different than climbing.
If Dante was THAT tired his opponents would have taken advantage of that. And, tired is almost where you give up[I think], he hasn't got tired in DMC2 nor DMC4. He fought Savior and wasn't tired, hell, you say he was tired, BUT, he kept on fighting, didn't he? He would have STILL been breathing hard, AFTER he was done fighting[or kept fighting]. And he wasn't breathing HARD as you make it sound.
Kratos still has the body of a mortal, thus physically, can be destroyed.
Arkham fell OUT from Hell[VERY FAR], servely inured, and he survived.
Don't forget magic can kill Kratos[so all he needs to do is put his energy in a physical object].
Canoncially, he sealed Mundus, he could do the same to Kratos. I mean I don't see how this ISN'T allowed.
The only person that tired out Dante was Vergil[and Mundus?]doesn't mean Kratos could do the same, where as, Dante could tire Kratos. And just because he was "breathing hard" doesn't simply mean he was "tired".