Originally posted by Starscream Mbottom page bump
exactly.if you want to use STR in comics, then nobody without some convenient explanation (magic, speedforce, etc) could go faster than light
so Superman, Gladiator, Silver Surfer and others who regularly on KMC are said to be faster than light all must be slower than or just as fast as light and many of their feats must be nullified as a result.
Originally posted by Philosophía
As far as I recall, according to current science, lightspeed is the maximum speed attainable, so whatever calculations you do, unless there are very special conditions, with real-life formulas you won't find something surpassing it.
Not exactly. Anything with mass cannot travel beyond light speed. Massless objects, like photons, can.
*shrugs* I see where you're going with this though. Bottom line is that it was the writer's intent to depict Flash as just under light speed. That, and the Blogger's calculations were wrong anyway, even not taking into account the STR - as Mindship has shown.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I think this thread is a clear example of stubborness trumping logic.
The idea was to display how Flash can travel in saving mission. He's not fighting here with an opponent (which is totally different) he's using his speed to achieve a great feat. If he were figthing someone then I can't phantom the insane amount of speed Flash then run....
It is also to highlight that a writer made a mistake....a fan caught it...and made a correction.
So yes, fans can make corrections....what is happening now...we have someone trying to correct the blogger.
Yet they ignore the blogger's last words.
Go figure.
^ not really.
even now science says that a rocket ship could go 99% of light speed in outer space, it's just that the fuel would equate to more than the planet could provide (and the time to reach that speed would be long)
surfer can destroy a planet with his own power and more, imo he has the juice to travel past lightspeed. (hyperspace rips provided )
Originally posted by psycho gundamhow does a rocket going 99% of light speed prove that Surfer could go faster than lightspeed?
^ not really.even now science says that a rocket ship could go 99% of light speed in outer space, it's just that the fuel would equate to more than the planet could provide (and the time to reach that speed would be long)
surfer can destroy a planet with his own power and more, imo he has the juice to travel past lightspeed. (hyperspace rips provided )
Einstein's theory presupposes any matter going faster than light. Surfer is matter. hence if you want to apply Einstein's theory to comics, then Surfer cannot be traveling faster than light.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Not exactly. Anything with mass cannot travel beyond light speed. Massless objects, like photons, can.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
even now science says that a rocket ship could go 99% of light speed in outer space, it's just that the fuel would equate to more than the planet could provide (and the time to reach that speed would be long)
Originally posted by Starscream M
actually just to nitpick, writer's intent is law. since writer's word in this case is contradictory. Both the sub-c comment and the actual feat are writer's words. We use writer's intent to determine which to accept.
And his intent, in this case, is quite clear.
Black and white, "sub lightspeed," multiple times.
Originally posted by Astneryeah, that's the newest stratagem since it requires pretty much no earth fuel (apart from the trip into space of coarse)
Light can only travel in light speed--but theoretical particles with imaginary mass, tachyons, that travel beyond light speed.I thought light-sails was the current solution. You know when you have a great mirror reflecting photons (making them go from 299792458 m/s to -299792458 m/s) and by that accelerating with double the momentum of the light. It would take a long time, but the acceleration under a long period of time would give it a great velocity. They would have to work at the breaks though.
but the point i was trying to make is that surfer actually travels in hyperspace when he exceeds light speed, in hyper space objects can travel however fast they choose to. he is still bound to the laws of the universe as everything else is, he just has a means of circumventing it.
Originally posted by Starscream M
just curious, but how do you square with applying STR in comics with characters without speedforce fix going faster than light? ie gladiator, surfer
I don't.
I don't apply special relativity to comics. I was merely being a smart ass to those who insisted we calculate the specifics of the feat. If you really want to calculate it, might as well calculate it appropriately.
Further, as I said, the Flash has the ability to pick and choose what aspects of physics to utilize or ignore. Time dilation has come up before, as has mass expansion (though I can't recall an instance where length contraction has come up; I'd be interested to see it). Thus, it's quite possible that the Flash was utilizing the time dilation aspect of special relativity here.
It's more likely that the writer just didn't do the calculations, and didn't expect a 'casual' fan to do them, either. His intent was sub-c, therefore the feat is sub-c.
Of course, if someone happens to have a link to the interview in which he changed his mind and said "oh, no, he WAS going some trillion times c there, my bad," I'll be happy to change my mind.
Otherwise, that feat is clear in my mind. Hair's breadth of lightspeed.