Joker 89 v joker 08

Originally posted by Tommy Jarvis
You're kidding, right? Batman clearly killed the Joker in the '89 version. He shot a wire around his legs and wrapped it to a gargoyle so he'd fall. If that's not intentionally killing someone, then what is? Also, in TDK, he didn't kill the Joker. There's a HUGE difference between wanting to kill someone, and actually doing it.

'89 Joker - Dead
'08 Joker - Alive

How come that does not make sense...."He shot a wire around his legs and wrapped it to a gargoyle so he'd fall".....does it really mean that much to you that you come up with this illogical notion?.....dont you think he wanted the joker to be stuck to the gargoyle so he would not get away....the joker did not let go of the ladder and he paid the price for it.....please comments like this make me feel like a 8 year old is trying to defend his ideal batman to the point of making up ones own reality

Originally posted by Tommy Jarvis
To be honest I thought that Heath took the character much more seriously than the other two. Jack just seemed to be acting as himself if he got drunk on Halloween while dressed up as a clown. I enjoyed the performance, I really did, but no one went as in depth with the psyche and twisted nature of the Joker like Heath did.

Does anyone have a body count for TDK's Joker? As in, confirmed, on-screen deaths? I remember I did one for B89's Joker, and it came to around 14-16 people... I'm curious to see which Joker killed more people...

The Joker in Burton's film killed many more than 14-16 people. He released a gas that killed a restaurant full of people.

Originally posted by starlock
How come that does not make sense...."He shot a wire around his legs and wrapped it to a gargoyle so he'd fall".....does it really mean that much to you that you come up with this illogical notion?.....dont you think he wanted the joker to be stuck to the gargoyle so he would not get away....the joker did not let go of the ladder and he paid the price for it.....please comments like this make me feel like a 8 year old is trying to defend his ideal batman to the point of making up ones own reality

Illogical notion? Also, you're honestly telling me that I sound like an 8 year old when your entire paragraph is full of mispelled words and non-existent sentences? Dude, if I wrap a wire around your leg and it's connected to a gargoyle, then gravity dictates you'll fall because there is weight wrapped around your body and it's bringing you down. If Batman simply didn't want him to get away, he'd have connected him to something lighter. I like how you think my ideal Batman is one who kills, because it isn't. The Batman in the Burton movies killed many, many people, and the Batman I know doesn't kill, as in the BB & TDK movies.

Before you try to sound all smart and correct someone, it's best you do so without making assumptions. Nice try, though. 😎

Originally posted by Tommy Jarvis
Illogical notion? Also, you're honestly telling me that I sound like an 8 year old when your entire paragraph is full of mispelled words and non-existent sentences? Dude, if I wrap a wire around your leg and it's connected to a gargoyle, then gravity dictates you'll fall because there is weight wrapped around your body and it's bringing you down. If Batman simply didn't want him to get away, he'd have connected him to something lighter. I like how you think my ideal Batman is one who kills, because it isn't. The Batman in the Burton movies killed many, many people, and the Batman I know doesn't kill, as in the BB & TDK movies.

Before you try to sound all smart and correct someone, it's best you do so without making assumptions. Nice try, though. 😎

And Batman killed people in Batman Begins too. I guess people like to forget that there is no guarantee all those people got out of that dojo he blew up trying to save that so called murderer (who by the way he didn't even make sure if that guy got out safe). I watched BB over recently and some of those people seem like they didn't make it out of there before it blew up but Bruce was hardly concerned if they did or didn't except for Ducard.

And how is the gargoyle thing killing the Joker and cruel, but having Gordon blow up the train rails by his instruction and then leaving Ras on the train to die not just as bad?

Both series of movies have had flawed portrayals. I think Nolan's has definitely tried to enforce his no kill rule but Batman has still done reckless things in his films too. He also had no clue the Joker wouldn't die when he flipped that semi over in the Dark Knight and there was no guarantee someone wouldn't be fatally injured during the Intimidate scene when he was blowing up those cars. So let's cut the crap 😆

He's not directly responsible for Ra's death. As he said, he didn't have to kill or save him. The plan wasn't ever to kill Ra's, only to stop him from wiping out Gotham. In Burton's movie Batman blatantly said he was going to kill the Joker, which he did. I don't have to cut the crap if it's only spewing from you. 😉

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
Ummm if he connected him to something lighter he would have gotten away. Batman didn't do that so the Joker would plunge to his death. The Joker plunged to his death because he continued to try to escape loosening the gargoyle and it fell.

And Batman killed people in Batman Begins too. I guess people like to forget that there is no guarantee all those people got out of that dojo he blew up trying to save that so called murderer (who by the way he didn't even make sure if that guy got out safe). I watched BB over recently and some of those people seem like they didn't make it out of there before it blew up but Bruce was hardly concerned if they did or didn't except for Ducard.

And how is the gargoyle thing killing the Joker and cruel, but having Gordon blow up the train rails by his instruction and then leaving Ras on the train to die not just as bad?

Both series of movies have had flawed portrayals. I think Nolan's has definitely tried to enforce his no kill rule but Batman has still done reckless things in his films too. He also had no clue the Joker wouldn't die when he flipped that semi over in the Dark Knight and there was no guarantee someone wouldn't be fatally injured during the Intimidate scene when he was blowing up those cars. So let's cut the crap 😆

Originally posted by Tommy Jarvis
He's not directly responsible for Ra's death. As he said, he didn't have to kill or save him. The plan wasn't ever to kill Ra's, only to stop him from wiping out Gotham. In Burton's movie Batman blatantly said he was going to kill the Joker, which he did. I don't have to cut the crap if it's only spewing from you. 😉

Originally posted by Tommy Jarvis
He's not directly responsible for Ra's death. As he said, he didn't have to kill or save him. The plan wasn't ever to kill Ra's, only to stop him from wiping out Gotham. In Burton's movie Batman blatantly said he was going to kill the Joker, which he did. I don't have to cut the crap if it's only spewing from you. 😉

Yes Batman told the Joker he was going to kill him but the gargoyle to the leg was not him trying to kill him at all it was trying to prevent him from escaping period if the Joker had simply stopped trying to climb the ladder the gargoyle would have never come lose.

There is no crap spewing from me I'm just not such a fanboy/fangirl that I can't see the flaws in both sets of films when it comes to his no kill rule. The Batman I know doesn't let people die nor does he kill them. He believes no one is above saving, that's why he tries time and time again with the Joker even though he is clearly beyond saving. That's why he won't give up on a city that is CLEARLY going to remain crime ridden one way or another. He's obsessed. I still think him letting Ras die is crap and not true to character and he was responsible for his death no matter how you cut it.

Originally posted by Juntai
I believe Burtons Batman also rolled up with machine-gun fire and some grenade type of things that popped out of the batmobile too? Been a long time since I watched that.

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
Right because Nolan's batmobile didn't have machine guns and explosives that it fired off in the presence of goons? 😆

That's absolutely correct... 😂 I hate how everyone gets all bothered by Burton's Batman having a machine gun on the Batmobile (which he only used to open the garage door to Axis, he didn't kill anyone with it), but they're perfectly all right with Nolan's Batman having machine guns on the Batpod (which were for a similar purpose)

Both have been responsible for the death of a criminal, but I think it's worse that Nolan's Batman didn't save Ras, simply because it makes Batman a hypocrite...

I've mentioned this before, but throughout the whole film (Batman Begins), you have Bruce talking about how no one is beyond saving, and then he goes and refuses to save Ras... WTF is up with that?

Not even just the bat pod the whole intimidate scene in the Dark Knight he was blowing up cars and stuff with the Batmobile and there was no way to know that no one would be fatally injured when he was doing that. Neither movie has respected his no kill rule to my satisfaction. I will say Nolan seems to have tried and definitely had it woven deeply into his storyline but there are a few instances in his franchise where he has come up short.

If Batman had killed or fatally wounded someone, don't you think the cops or news would've brought it up? Wouldn't he be persecuted for it? Yes, he would be, so stop with the nonsense.

Originally posted by Tommy Jarvis
If Batman had killed or fatally wounded someone, don't you think the cops or news would've brought it up? Wouldn't he be persecuted for it? Yes, he would be, so stop with the nonsense.

But does him "killing" Dent and all the others does count because the Gotham news obviously covered it and he is on the run at the end of the Dark Knight? 😆

God...no one can be this d...

I was referring to the chase sequence in TDK, not in BB.

Originally posted by Tommy Jarvis
Illogical notion? Also, you're honestly telling me that I sound like an 8 year old when your entire paragraph is full of mispelled words and non-existent sentences? Dude, if I wrap a wire around your leg and it's connected to a gargoyle, then gravity dictates you'll fall because there is weight wrapped around your body and it's bringing you down. If Batman simply didn't want him to get away, he'd have connected him to something lighter. I like how you think my ideal Batman is one who kills, because it isn't. The Batman in the Burton movies killed many, many people, and the Batman I know doesn't kill, as in the BB & TDK movies.

Before you try to sound all smart and correct someone, it's best you do so without making assumptions. Nice try, though. 😎

There is no assumption in your statement."He shot a wire around his legs and wrapped it to a gargoyle so he'd fall"...keep defending your beloved batman.....both movies were not true to the essence of batman and his no kill rule...get over it!

So lets look at your newest statement...."Dude, if I wrap a wire around your leg and it's connected to a gargoyle, then gravity dictates you'll fall because there is weight wrapped around your body and it's bringing you down"..are you so desperate to prove your point..that you now are telling me that my leg attached to a gargoyle...means i will fall to my death?.....there are way too many posters explaining that the gargoyole came loose because the joker would not let go and still tried to get away..... 😆

Originally posted by Tommy Jarvis
God...no one can be this d...

I was referring to the chase sequence in TDK, not in BB.

I just don't think either series has accurately handled his no kill rule. I think Nolan has definitely tried where as Burton was not concerned with it at all.

Just watched TDK again Heath Ledger is outstanding 10/10 He kicks jacks joker out the window .

Now I will never watch batman 89 again lolz

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
Not even just the bat pod the whole intimidate scene in the Dark Knight he was blowing up cars and stuff with the Batmobile and there was no way to know that no one would be fatally injured when he was doing that. Neither movie has respected his no kill rule to my satisfaction. I will say Nolan seems to have tried and definitely had it woven deeply into his storyline but there are a few instances in his franchise where he has come up short.