Dante and Sephiroth vs Kratos and Xemnas

Just because you don't like Sephiroth doesn't mean you have to be hating on him. Sephiroth could go toe to toe with Kratos, Dante, Kain, Xemnas, etc, but because you don't like Sephiroth, you want to make him seem worse than he is.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Now SHM is being a childish goon and trying to do anything to undermine me!! even going as low as to joining a band wagan with a semi-troll....

altho I do hate sephiroth, maybe your right and he had Super nova all the time that he could use with a swish of his finger!

or does he have a harry potter wand somewhere instead of materia? lol

This post shows your hatred for Seph, and several more posts.

I thot my hatred for Sephiroth was obvious ,but no that doesnt mean he can go toe to toe, what stops him from going toe to toe is because hes slower than Dante, weaker than Kratos, less endurance than all of them and most of his best powers take a lot of time to do.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I thot my hatred for Sephiroth was obvious ,but no that doesnt mean he can go toe to toe, what stops him from going toe to toe is because hes slower than Dante, weaker than Kratos, less endurance than all of them and most of his best powers take a lot of time to do.

Speed- Hah, Dante faster, what a joke
Brute strength- Kratos
Endurance- Sephiroth does have endurance, but you are not giving him enough credit.

Dante is far faster, he regulary dodges bullets and is fast and accurat enough with his guns to shoot them out of the air, whats sephiroth do? have a few cool looking blur effects! lol....combine that with his time powers and he easily takes moveing around combining speed with hampering his opponent

bah, not giving him enough credit? does he have any real endurance feats? you just said he does have endurance...so what is the feat?

^ Do you like Dante? By you post you don't seem to like Dante =\ ^

Originally posted by Gumachi
^ Do you like Dante? By you post you don't seem to like Dante =\ ^

Gumachi, BT doesn't like anyone except for Kain. Why? Well to put it simply is because he is a fanboy and has no idea what he is talking about.

By the way BT, Sephiroth was going toe to toe with Cloud in AC, and after the fight he wasn't breathing heavy, sweating, or anything.

^Had a feeling he was a Kain fanboy(by his post).

I guess Kain could defeat Goku(on his terms)eh? lol

Originally posted by Gumachi
^Had a feeling he was a Kain fanboy(by his post).

I guess Kain could defeat Goku(on his terms)eh? lol

BT thinks Kain can defeat Pyron, and that is complete fanboyism.

Who is Pyron? From what I heard he sounds awesome.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Who is Pyron? From what I heard he sounds awesome.

Pyron Pyron, the planet eater. BT believes Kain can suck his soal before Pyron destroys the planet he's on 😂.

=\ He can just "leave" the planet. Does he even have a soul?

Who knows, but Pyron would kick Kain's ass with ease. Everyone on KMC would agree, except for the pne known as Burning Thought.

Originally posted by Wil Deidara
Gumachi, BT doesn't like anyone except for Kain. Why? Well to put it simply is because he is a fanboy and has no idea what he is talking about.

By the way BT, Sephiroth was going toe to toe with Cloud in AC, and after the fight he wasn't breathing heavy, sweating, or anything.

false...otherwise I would only debate in Kain threads, this is neither....

no idea? ive been right in almost all my debates, you least of all should talk about someone not knowing something since you admitted earlier you didnt know something from the same fiction you are defending....

so what? thats not endurance, thats stamina....looks like you dont know what your talking about..

Originally posted by Gumachi
^ Do you like Dante? By you post you don't seem to like Dante =\ ^

yeh i like him more than Sephiroth, I like Kratos more than Dante and I like Kain more than Kratos.

Originally posted by Wil Deidara
Who knows, but Pyron would kick Kain's ass with ease. Everyone on KMC would agree, except for the pne known as Burning Thought.

exactley, that says it right there, everyones ignorence makes them belive Pyron wins just for the fact he is large...that doesnt give people a win, not in games vs and not in games/fiction in general...he wouldnt kick kains ass and due to Kains power he cannot kill Kain either so it would be a hopeless battle.

^Oh okay =|

Originally posted by Wil Deidara
2 on 2 battle. 1 good and 1 evil vs 1 good and 1 evil.

Dante from DMC4

Sephiroth from FFVII: AC

vs

Kratos from GoW2

and

Xemnas from KH2

They have all of there abilities and weapons .

Who wins this 2 on 2 battle?

Okay, I'm a little confused at this. When you say which games they appear in, then say they have all of their abilities, does that mean all the abilities acquired fro mthat game, just in general, or what?

Originally posted by Burning thought
The power of the lifestream may had done, but he doesnt have that, he has the negative lifestream instead which has shown to do nothing much at all really. When has he teleported?

bah more powerful, ofc hes more powerful if he can call meteor....it does more damage than any of them.

Dante is far faster, he regulary dodges bullets and is fast and accurat enough with his guns to shoot them out of the air, whats sephiroth do? have a few cool looking blur effects! lol....combine that with his time powers and he easily takes moveing around combining speed with hampering his opponent

Originally posted by Terryc250
He teleported in FF7, the negative lifestream IS the lifestream but tainted with Jenova cells, thus under Sephiroths control. Some of it's powers still have been shown throughout AC, like creation of the 3 trios (Life) the shadow creeps (magic).

Regular Soldiers with some JENOVA cells dodge multiple machine guns firing at him, dodging all the bullets with complete ease 😐 Dante would not win against Sephiroth unless he uses quicksilver

Show me please. Its taint could also mean it loses all the gifts the lifestream stands for, not to mention your only assuming, how do you know Sephiroth knows HOW to access the lifestreams powers in that way, nobody else has ever done it and hes not shown half the things you claim. the 3 trios done with the negative lifestream? plz show me, same with shadow creeps, they seemed to have just been summoned, ive not seen them come out of the negative.

lol, you talking about the james bonde esque movement in the large area, I can envision what your talking about, I think ive seen it, they were far away from him, but dodgeing multiple machineguns that are innacurate anyaway is a far weaker feat than actualy shooting bullets out of the air with your own while running and jumping near the enemy, literally shooting the bulletsas they come out of his gun. Thats far beyond Sephiroths speed.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Show me please. Its taint could also mean it loses all the gifts the lifestream stands for, not to mention your only assuming, how do you know Sephiroth knows HOW to access the lifestreams powers in that way, nobody else has ever done it and hes not shown half the things you claim. the 3 trios done with the negative lifestream? plz show me, same with shadow creeps, they seemed to have just been summoned, ive not seen them come out of the negative.

The shadow creeps were summoned with a gesture, there is no materia glow or casting involved.

Materia ALWAYS has a cast glow, whether it be in games or movie, it always does.

Materia
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Negative Lifestream (Only requires a Gesture, no materia at all)

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lol, you talking about the james bonde esque movement in the large area, I can envision what your talking about, I think ive seen it, they were far away from him, but dodgeing multiple machineguns that are innacurate anyaway is a far weaker feat than actualy shooting bullets out of the air with your own while running and jumping near the enemy, literally shooting the bulletsas they come out of his gun. Thats far beyond Sephiroths speed. [/B]

Zack easily dodges bullets coming from all directions. Dodging multiple machine guns coming from all direction is 100x harder then dodging a bullets from a single gun. Shooting bullets isn't even a speed feat, its an accuracy feat as its been done in anime before.

Show me Dante's greatest speed feat.

Originally posted by Terryc250
If it lost its "gifts" then it the 3 trio wouldn't have been able to be created, and they wouldn't have been able to use magic from it. The Silver Haired men had no materia until they stole it from Cloud, materia glows when its casted, showing that its power is tapping into the lifestream. If the trio knows how, obviously Sephiroth knows how. Since Sephiroth created the trio from it, obviously he knows how, and since his mind has been in the lifestream for many years absorbing all the knowledge, of course he knows how.

The shadow creeps were summoned with a gesture, there is no materia glow or casting involved.

Materia ALWAYS has a cast glow, whether it be in games or movie, it always does.

Materia
6:45
YouTube video
1:09
YouTube video
00:40
YouTube video

Negative Lifestream (Only requires a Gesture, no materia at all)

1:35
YouTube video
1:39
YouTube video

No.. a "James bonde esque" is James bond running for cover behind crap.

Zack easily dodges bullets coming from all directions. Dodging multiple machine guns coming from all direction is 100x harder then dodging a bullets from a single gun. Shooting bullets isn't even a speed feat, its an accuracy feat as its been done in anime before.

Show me Dante's greatest speed feat.

All you did there was show that Materia can be used, you didnt prove that they were using the negative lifestream to do it, most of those materia glowing were clouds as well, all those people could be doing was tapping into the original lifestream and that still doesnt prove anything about Sephiroth being able to control any form of the lifestream, he doesnt have materia. All the Neg lifestream has really proven it can do is summon weak shadow dogs.

not at all, the machinegunners were fairly fair away from him, compared to Dante whos opponent was closer, then combine that with the fact machineguns are innacurate anyway, fire a machnegun from a certain distance and its bullets will spray, also thats not necesserily speed, if I remember it correctly Zack was more lucky than aything since he wasnt going much faster than the bullets, i.e James bond esque, being lucky enough to escape machinegun fire, or an even better example, Indiana jones at the beginning of the latest one lol. Hell your little whine of PIS is relevent when it suits you, here it could be relevent on those men, something as ridiculous as Zack surviving all those machineguns could easily be PIS to keep their hero alive.

here:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cRGOT0E4-xU&feature=related

3:20 he shoots the bullets out of the air from about half a foot away.

cRGOT0E4-xU&feature=related

altho thats probably not his best, Charlotte Debel is the FF fanatic around here, she probably has plent, or you could look in his respect thread.

Originally posted by Burning thought
All you did there was show that Materia can be used, you didnt prove that they were using the negative lifestream to do it, most of those materia glowing were clouds as well, all those people could be doing was tapping into the original lifestream and that still doesnt prove anything about Sephiroth being able to control any form of the lifestream, he doesnt have materia. All the Neg lifestream has really proven it can do is summon weak shadow dogs.

All materia is the same, theres summon types, magic type, etc. They ALL have a casting glow, always.

If his remants who have a bit of control over the NL can use magic, obviously Sephiroth who has full control over it can. Since the trio is made up of the NL by Sephiroth, obviously Sephiroth can. It's common sense and logic, where does magic come from? The lifestream. The trio were able to use the NL for magic, so logically that means that the NL is of the same thing. There has been nothing to suggests that Jenova cells take away the lifestreams power, if anything it should enhance it.

not at all, the machinegunners were fairly fair away from him, compared to Dante whos opponent was closer, then combine that with the fact machineguns are innacurate anyway, fire a machnegun from a certain distance and its bullets will spray, also thats not necesserily speed, if I remember it correctly Zack was more lucky than aything since he wasnt going much faster than the bullets, i.e James bond esque, being lucky enough to escape machinegun fire, or an even better example, Indiana jones at the beginning of the latest one lol. Hell your little whine of PIS is relevent when it suits you, here it could be relevent on those men, something as ridiculous as Zack surviving all those machineguns could easily be PIS to keep their hero alive.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cRGOT0E4-xU&feature=related

3:20 he shoots the bullets out of the air from about half a foot away.

cRGOT0E4-xU&feature=related

altho thats probably not his best, Charlotte Debel is the FF fanatic around here, she probably has plent, or you could look in his respect thread. [/B]