Dante and Sephiroth vs Kratos and Xemnas

You showed they can use magic to summon pathetic creatures such as Shadow creeps, Kadaj (I think) is the one who needed Materia to summon Bahmaht, other than that Sephiroth summoing shadow creeps isnt going to help him against Dante and Kratos is it.....

Theres been nothing to suggest the negative lifestream which is diffrent regardless of whether it would logically be weaker can actually do the same thing, furthermore theres nothing to suggest Sephiroth has all the power of all the materia, for controlling it either.

Stop using Zacks feats then and show me Sephiroths feats?

Originally posted by Burning thought
You showed they can use magic to summon pathetic creatures such as Shadow creeps, Kadaj (I think) is the one who needed Materia to summon Bahmaht, other than that Sephiroth summoing shadow creeps isnt going to help him against Dante and Kratos is it.....

Theres been nothing to suggest the negative lifestream which is diffrent regardless of whether it would logically be weaker can actually do the same thing, furthermore theres nothing to suggest Sephiroth has all the power of all the materia, for controlling it either.

Stop using Zacks feats then and show me Sephiroths feats? [/B]

Sometimes you have to look through things with logic/common sense and not through your hatred of him. Because you're using this kind of logic "TOAA has no feats so Wolverine must be tougher then him" which is horrible logic.

Originally posted by Terryc250
The remnants only had limited control over the lifestream, Sephiroth has power over the entire thing, he is the creator of it. The trio using the shadow creeps is the proof that the NL still has its magic ability, and not removed due to having Jenova cells in it.

How is it different? It's the same thing but contaminated with Jenova cells. What suggests that Sephiroth DOESN'T? Nothing. Like i have showed you over and over again, he's used it to create life, his remnants have used it for magic, and its been shown to kill people as well.

AC Sephiroth was on screen for 10 minutes, not using his powers. Zacks abilities basically came from Sephiroth, as he gained those powers by having some Jenova cells injected into him, while Sephiroth is the new evolution of the entity itself. Sephiroth logically is capable of far superior physical abilities then Zack.

Sometimes you have to look through things with logic/common sense and not through your hatred of him. Because you're using this kind of logic "TOAA has no feats so Wolverine must be tougher then him" which is horrible logic.

It proves it can make shadow creeps, thats about it....not that it has the same magic as normal lifestream....also plz show me him actually creating the remnants.

Its like me saying Kain has exactley the same powers as Vorador just because their both vampires, their both very diffrent, the Jenova cells make changes. Also doesnt minerva control the normal lifestream?

When has Neg lifestream killed someone? plz show

So? I cant keep going on and on about "zomg Kain never used his power coz he didnt need to" then claiming he is 1000 times faster and more powerful than shown. Maybe if Kain was shown in a real battle in a cutscene he would start moving lightspeed and shooting galaxy destroying blasts?

Your comparing Sephiroths diffrent of power between Zack the same as the diffrence between TOAA and Wolverine? lol....no I think you need to stop being ridiculous and actually prove with feats, otherwise your talking a load of rubbish and constantly dodging. .....(also your analogy is god awful, TOAA does have feats, he created Marvel and is also stated to be all powerful...)

Originally posted by Burning thought
It proves it can make shadow creeps, thats about it....not that it has the same magic as normal lifestream....also plz show me him actually creating the remnants.

Its like me saying Kain has exactley the same powers as Vorador just because their both vampires, their both very diffrent, the Jenova cells make changes. Also doesnt minerva control the normal lifestream?

Minerva is the goddess of the planet, shes the consciousness of the lifestream itself.

When has Neg lifestream killed someone? plz show

When I went back into the house, Ruvi seemed to be sleeping. She had such a peaceful look on her. I was worried though so I gave her shoulders a little nudge.

"Mrs Ruvi."

It didn't seem like she was going to open her eyes.

"Mrs Ruvi!", he shouted nudging harder this time.

A stream of black fluid came out of Ruvi's mouth. Thinking it was a sign of death, I panicked and wiped it away. There was even some flowing out of her hair. I felt sick. Denzel burst out of the house, fear gripping onto him.

"Dad! Mum! Help me!", he shouted loudly. He continued shouting out until he ran out of names. Now he could only cry.

From that encounter Denzel caught Sephiroths Geostigma disease.

So? I cant keep going on and on about "zomg Kain never used his power coz he didnt need to" then claiming he is 1000 times faster and more powerful than shown. Maybe if Kain was shown in a real battle in a cutscene he would start moving lightspeed and shooting galaxy destroying blasts?

Your comparing Sephiroths diffrent of power between Zack the same as the diffrence between TOAA and Wolverine? lol....no I think you need to stop being ridiculous and actually prove with feats, otherwise your talking a load of rubbish and constantly dodging. .....(also your analogy is god awful, TOAA does have feats, he created Marvel and is also stated to be all powerful...) [/B]

Sephiroth was stated as the most powerful being in FF7, Zack isn't even top 5, nor is he even close. His powers originated from AC Sephiroth, yet your ignoring all this and just looking for "feats" even though Sephiroth was on screen for 10 minutes not using any of his powers and toying around.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Shadow creeps IS magic, why would the lifestream only be capable of 1 spell? The lifestream isn't about number of "spells" its the SOURCE of magic. Once again your looking at this through hatred of Sephiroth, and not logic. The lifestream is the lifestream, the fact that the remants were capable of using magic proves that magic exists in it. Sephiroth controls all of the lifestream that he took, which is far more then what the remnants were capable of controlling. The remnants weren't shown being created. After Sephiroth contaminated the lifestream, the Ultimania states that they were manifested by Sephiroth, and once the Negative Lifestream was perished by Aeris' Great Gospel (the rain) The trio disappeared with the NL.

Kains powers never came from Vorador. Zacks powers literally came from being injected by Jenova cells. Sephiroth IS Jenova, he became the viral core of the entity itself.

Minerva is the goddess of the planet, shes the consciousness of the lifestream itself.

At the end of FF7 when Sephiroth finally went into the Lifestream he spread countless Jenova cells into it, contaminating it, this was the birth of the negative lifestream and geostigma, when the lifestream when to midgar to stop Meteor, some people were exposed to it, Denzels mom was exposed to it, trying to save Denzel

When I went back into the house, Ruvi seemed to be sleeping. She had such a peaceful look on her. I was worried though so I gave her shoulders a little nudge.

"Mrs Ruvi."

It didn't seem like she was going to open her eyes.

"Mrs Ruvi!", he shouted nudging harder this time.

[b]A stream of black fluid came out of Ruvi's mouth. Thinking it was a sign of death, I panicked and wiped it away. There was even some flowing out of her hair. I felt sick. Denzel burst out of the house, fear gripping onto him.

"Dad! Mum! Help me!", he shouted loudly. He continued shouting out until he ran out of names. Now he could only cry.

From that encounter Denzel caught Sephiroths Geostigma disease.

Nothing suggests he could, so thats completely false. There's zero logic behind that, and we've seen Kain fight. We've never seen AC Sephiroth at close to his max. I never said Sephiroth was 1000 times faster then Zack, but logically he is much faster, besides the fact that he has been shown faster already. Like i said a cople times now, Zack became that fast through being injected with some Jenova cells, Sephiroth being the entity itself logically is much faster, stronger, etc.

No, you're ignoring all logic and just looking for feats. Yes TOAA is the reason for Wolverines existance, it's like saying who's faster Silver Surfer or TOAA? Then you replying TOAA has no feats so SS is faster, yet your ignoring the logic that his existance and powers originated from TOAA., Jenova/Sephiroth is the reason for Zacks power, he was injected with some Jenova cells.

Sephiroth was stated as the most powerful being in FF7, Zack isn't even top 5, nor is he even close. His powers originated from AC Sephiroth, yet your ignoring all this and just looking for "feats" even though Sephiroth was on screen for 10 minutes not using any of his powers and toying around. [/B]

Why? i dont know why the negative lifestream would only be capable of one spell, but thats all thats shown, ime not the writer of the FF series, and we cant make up spells on the fly so thats the only spell Sephiroth can use, we cant take out Terries list of invented Neg lifestream spells and use it....

Then lets use some logic, Minerva is a Goddess and supposedly more powerful than most beings in FF, surely shes stronger than Jenova? perhaps thats a reason why Neg lifestream (Jenova/sephiroth) conciousness is far weaker than Minervas concious lifestream.

No not at all, why would injecting him with more make him faster/stronger? Just because you inject a person with more blood doesnt mean theyll be as fast as the humans you inject into them do they? no.....either way we cannot invent speed feats nor can we assume Sephiroth is much faster, its still not logical that just because Sephiroth has more Jenova in him hes suddenly faster, for all we know the amount Zack got was enough to give him the speed boost, perhaps Sephiroth having more only gives him other powers, not necesserily enhanced versions of the same...

For example when Kain swallows another vampires soul in Blood omen 2, he doesnt get increased stats of every kind, only that vampires power. a similiar system could be working on Jenovas body, the more you inject, the more diffrent powers you gain, not ncesserily powerups to your stats every time.

Just because Sephiroth is far more powerful doesnt mean he is far faster...theres diffrence between power and speed.....so all your "Sephiroth is more powerfulz he must be much faster!" is a load of assumption and dribble and especially amusing since you constantly keep saying "use logic", well thats not logical...someone more powerful is not always faster, stronger etc to be more powerful....

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Okay, I'm a little confused at this. When you say which games they appear in, then say they have all of their abilities, does that mean all the abilities acquired fro mthat game, just in general, or what?

This is the final forms of all of them, and the final forms come from these games. They have all of there abilities at top form. Get it now?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Why? i dont know why the negative lifestream would only be capable of one spell, but thats all thats shown, ime not the writer of the FF series, and we cant make up spells on the fly so thats the only spell Sephiroth can use, we cant take out Terries list of invented Neg lifestream spells and use it....

Keep in mind that the remnants don't have as much power of the negative lifestream as Sephiroth does, hence why they cannot use it to it's full power like Sephiroth can, and need materia to aid them.

I notice you always write "Terries", you do know "Terry" is a name and not a word right? There is a difference. The negative lifestream is capable of magic just as the lifestream is, they both work as the SOURCE of magic, which means Sephiroth can tap into the negative lifestreams power and use spells. The regular lifestream is the source of millions of spells, Sephiroth just sitting in the lifestream gained access to tons of spells without needing materia. Nothing suggests that Jenova cells would remove it's power of magic, if anything it would strengthen it. It already has been shown it can produce magic, it already has been shown it can produce life, and it already has been shown it can kill people.

Then lets use some logic, Minerva is a Goddess and supposedly more powerful than most beings in FF, surely shes stronger than Jenova? perhaps thats a reason why Neg lifestream (Jenova/sephiroth) conciousness is far weaker than Minervas concious lifestream.

No not at all, why would injecting him with more make him faster/stronger? Just because you inject a person with more blood doesnt mean theyll be as fast as the humans you inject into them do they? no.....either way we cannot invent speed feats nor can we assume Sephiroth is much faster, its still not logical that just because Sephiroth has more Jenova in him hes suddenly faster, for all we know the amount Zack got was enough to give him the speed boost, perhaps Sephiroth having more only gives him other powers, not necesserily enhanced versions of the same...

Not really it's been shown the the character who is more true to the being Jenova is much more superior, take Sephiroth and Zack for example, Sephiroth was while he was still in the womb with alot of Jenova cells, which made him literally part Jenova, Zack was injected with somejenova cells afterwards, Sephiroth was far superior then Zack, both in speed and power. That's like saying Silver Surfer is as fast as Galactus.

For example when Kain swallows another vampires soul in Blood omen 2, he doesnt get increased stats of every kind, only that vampires power. a similiar system could be working on Jenovas body, the more you inject, the more diffrent powers you gain, not ncesserily powerups to your stats every time.

Just because Sephiroth is far more powerful doesnt mean he is far faster...theres diffrence between power and speed.....so all your "Sephiroth is more powerfulz he must be much faster!" is a load of assumption and dribble and especially amusing since you constantly keep saying "use logic", well thats not logical...someone more powerful is not always faster, stronger etc to be more powerful.... [/B]

Obviously he isn't as weak as you try to make him, or else the creators wouldn't have said he is the most powerful being in the FF7 world.

Originally posted by Terryc250
It makes no sense that the negative lifestream would be only capable of 1 spell, again, the lifestream is the SOURCE of magic, its not something that contains spells. It's like how electricity is the source of light, but does that mean electricity is only capable of producing light? No, it's capable of doing other things as well.

Keep in mind that the remnants don't have as much power of the negative lifestream as Sephiroth does, hence why they cannot use it to it's full power like Sephiroth can, and need materia to aid them.

I notice you always write "Terries", you do know "Terry" is a name and not a word right? There is a difference. The negative lifestream is capable of magic just as the lifestream is, they both work as the SOURCE of magic, which means Sephiroth can tap into the negative lifestreams power and use spells. The regular lifestream is the source of millions of spells, Sephiroth just sitting in the lifestream gained access to tons of spells without needing materia. Nothing suggests that Jenova cells would remove it's power of magic, if anything it would strengthen it. It already has been shown it can produce magic, it already has been shown it can produce life, and it already has been shown it can kill people.

The lifestream cannot harm Sephiroth, it can destroy his body at best, but not is spirit or mind, it will become infected by him. If Cloud did not stop Sephiroth, the planet would have fell before Sephiroth, and Sephrioth would have taken over. Even ignoring that, Nomura already states their is no other being stronger then Sephiroth.

Huh? You're talking like i'm making a theory that Zack gained his speed by being injected with Jenova cells. That is fact, its the story line. SOLDIERs gained their power by being injected by Jenova cells, it's in the plot, without the Jenova cells they're just regular humans.

Not really it's been shown the the character who is more true to the being Jenova is much more superior, take Sephiroth and Zack for example, Sephiroth was while he was still in the womb with alot of Jenova cells, which made him literally part Jenova, Zack was injected with somejenova cells afterwards, Sephiroth was far superior then Zack, both in speed and power. That's like saying Silver Surfer is as fast as Galactus.

But Kain is more powerful then the vampires, and he absorbs the entire vampires soul. Zack was just injected with some Jenova cells, it doesn't mean he's faster then Jenova itself, or as strong as Jenova. If that's true then why would Sephiroth be far stronger and faster in his CC form? The original Jenova was powerful enough to go crash from planet to planet without being harmed, Zack wouldn't even be able to survive the vacuums of space. The only way the original Jenova was defeated was by being sealed away by the Cetras.

So then how would he be ranked #1 if he doesn't have that ability? How would he beable to deal with speeders like Chaos and Weiss? If his lifestream is probably nothing like you're trying to prove, then how would he more powerful then beings like minerva or the weapons?

Obviously he isn't as weak as you try to make him, or else the creators wouldn't have said he is the most powerful being in the FF7 world.

no it doesnt but we cant invent spells for Sephiroth either can we so your side of the argument can only go cold in that respect..

But hes not sitting in the lifestream anymore, hes just got Negative lifestream at his disposal whos spells are known to have a grand total of 1...

What did the guy state actually? ive heard all he says is that nothing is "above" sephiroth....not to mention thats a very wide statement...its not even specific..

No its not lol, because Galactus can amp himself almost infnity, Sephiroths diffrence is miniscule at best between him and Zack.

Speedsers he could defeat using his willpower, stop them like he did Holy.....their speed would be worthless...The weapons and Minerva? i dont know, what have they actually done? he could still be more powerful since Meteor would destroy them for sure....thing is, the guy doesnt actually say "sephiroth is number 1" he says something like "nothing is above Sephiroths willpower" or something along those lines, infact please show me the piece.

Originally posted by Burning thought
no it doesnt but we cant invent spells for Sephiroth either can we so your side of the argument can only go cold in that respect..

But hes not sitting in the lifestream anymore, hes just got Negative lifestream at his disposal whos spells are known to have a grand total of 1...

What did the guy state actually? ive heard all he says is that nothing is "above" sephiroth....not to mention thats a very wide statement...its not even specific..

No its not lol, because Galactus can amp himself almost infnity, Sephiroths diffrence is miniscule at best between him and Zack.

Speedsers he could defeat using his willpower, stop them like he did Holy.....their speed would be worthless...The weapons and Minerva? i dont know, what have they actually done? he could still be more powerful since Meteor would destroy them for sure....thing is, the guy doesnt actually say "sephiroth is number 1" he says something like "nothing is above Sephiroths willpower" or something along those lines, infact please show me the piece. [/B]

"Kitase said that Sephiroth's existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him. We had a difficult time deciding on the reason why Sephiroth would appear"

"Sephiroth is already the strongest in the world so there's no room for growth, and we couldn't possibly see ourselves making a game over type situation where he loses"

"Producer Kitase decided that they couldn’t make any other character stronger than Sephiroth in the world of FFVII."

Cannot deny the creators words.

AC Sephiroth ranked first
Chaos Vincent or Minerva ranked second.

Originally posted by Terryc250
He still holds the control over the source of magic, what are the limits of his magic capabilities are the question. But the point is, he does have control over a magic source which means he does not require materia.

"Kitase said that Sephiroth's existence and will is extremely powerful. [b]There is nothing stronger, nothing above him. We had a difficult time deciding on the reason why Sephiroth would appear"

"Sephiroth is already the strongest in the world so there's no room for growth, and we couldn't possibly see ourselves making a game over type situation where he loses"

"Producer Kitase decided that they couldn’t make any other character stronger than Sephiroth in the world of FFVII."

Cannot deny the creators words.

AC Sephiroth ranked first
Chaos Vincent or Minerva ranked second. [/B]

I cut out the parts of your post which I pretty much agree to or are answerable by the pieces ive left behind.

No hes got hold of the electricity, but having electricity doesnt mean you can fry bread, you still need a toaster to fry bread dude, work out that analogy 😄

Yeh but all of this can be hyperbole, words used by developers to make characters more interesting than they actually are, its difficult to scale when they dont make specific statements, for all you know he was referring to a smaller base of characters than the entire FF world like Chaos and Minerva, OR he could indeed be referring to everything, we just dont know, the guy should have been more specific if thats what he was aiming at.

Its just not logical in any way, shape or form from the games that Sephiroth could defeat Minerva, there is no fact for that, if you made a battle happen between Sephiroth and Chaos in a feat based situation, Chaos may win, same with the weapons, which is whats important in KMC battles, a dude saying something so openly and widely without specifics is not taken into account.

Also to further this, when did the guy say this? also was this not a translation, for all we know it was translated wrong, the information itself is very sketchy at best.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No hes got hold of the electricity, but having electricity doesnt mean you can fry bread, you still need a toaster to fry bread dude, work out that analogy 😄

Yeh but all of this can be hyperbole, words used by developers to make characters more interesting than they actually are, its difficult to scale when they dont make specific statements, for all you know he was referring to a smaller base of characters than the entire FF world like Chaos and Minerva, OR he could indeed be referring to everything, we just dont know, the guy should have been more specific if thats what he was aiming at.

It's not like he said it about other characters as well, he only said it about Sephiroth, no other character, not even the protagonists Cloud or Vincent. One quote says there's nothing above him, the other quote says he's the most powerful in the world, the other quote says they couldn't make anyone more powerful then him.

"Producer Kitase decided that they couldn't make any other character stronger than Sephiroth in the world of FFVII."

How can that be on a smaller scale? It literally states "the world of FFVII"

"Sephiroth is already the strongest in the world so there's no room for growth"

It states the WORLD

"There is nothing stronger, nothing above him"
Nothing above him, Chaos, Weapons, they are something, but it states NOTHING is above him.

Its just not logical in any way, shape or form from the games that Sephiroth could defeat Minerva, there is no fact for that, if you made a battle happen between Sephiroth and Chaos in a feat based situation, Chaos may win, same with the weapons, which is whats important in KMC battles, a dude saying something so openly and widely without specifics is not taken into account.

Minverva is the concousness of the lifestream, the goddess of the planet, she created Omega WEAPON and that is basically her pet, she imprisoned Genesis in CC on a whim. Yet as powerful as she is, she could do absolutely nothing to Sephiroth, she couldn't take him in the lifestream when he died, he even contimated her lifestream and crated a plague out of it, she was no threat to him, and if he wasn't stopped in AC the planet would've been infected by Sephiroth, and Minerva would've turned into his b*tch.

Chaos would be stopped by Sephiroth, we haven't even seen close to the limits of Sephiroth but we've seen Chaos Vincents, he has super speed, and enough power to shake the planet, but Sephiroths will is so powerful that it could hold back anything Chaos tries to unleash at him, we don't know the limits of what Sephiroth is capable of, but the producers do. If they said they said in the world of FF7 there is no character stronger then Sephiroth, then obviously Chaos is not stronger then him, if they said no one is above Sephiroth, then obviously Chaos is not above him, if they said Sephiroth is the strongest in the world, then obviously Sephiroth is stronger then Chaos. The thing is, the producers actually said that, so we can only conclude that Sephiroth is the above Chaos and the other FF7 characters, no matter how you look at it.

Also to further this, when did the guy say this? also was this not a translation, for all we know it was translated wrong, the information itself is very sketchy at best.

Originally posted by Terryc250
No he created the electricity, and has complete control over it, knowledge over it, has shown to beable to use it creating the SHM, etc.

.. dude, those quotes cannot mean anything else at all, seriously 😐 I mean, i don't mind you being skeptical, and debating who has greater feats Sephiroth or Chaos (i still think Sephiroth has greater feats even though he hasn't displayed his full power), but really.. the producer has numerously flat out said Sephiroth is the most powerful character a few times now, and this you cannot deny.

It's not like he said it about other characters as well, he only said it about Sephiroth, no other character, not even the protagonists Cloud or Vincent. One quote says there's nothing above him, the other quote says he's the most powerful in the world, the other quote says they couldn't make anyone more powerful then him.

"Producer Kitase decided that they couldn't make any other character stronger than Sephiroth in the world of FFVII."

How can that be on a smaller scale? It literally states "the world of FFVII"

"Sephiroth is already the strongest in the world so there's no room for growth"

It states the WORLD

"There is nothing stronger, nothing above him"
Nothing above him, Chaos, Weapons, they are something, but it states NOTHING is above him.

No, it's because you try to downplay Sephiroths feats and try to make him seem weaker then he is. Sephiroth actually has greater feats then these characters, but you just don't believe them.

Minverva is the concousness of the lifestream, the goddess of the planet, she created Omega WEAPON and that is basically her pet, she imprisoned Genesis in CC on a whim. Yet as powerful as she is, she could do absolutely nothing to Sephiroth, she couldn't take him in the lifestream when he died, he even contimated her lifestream and crated a plague out of it, she was no threat to him, and if he wasn't stopped in AC the planet would've been infected by Sephiroth, and Minerva would've turned into his b*tch.

Chaos would be stopped by Sephiroth, we haven't even seen close to the limits of Sephiroth but we've seen Chaos Vincents, he has super speed, and enough power to shake the planet, but Sephiroths will is so powerful that it could hold back anything Chaos tries to unleash at him, we don't know the limits of what Sephiroth is capable of, but the producers do. If they said they said in the world of FF7 there is no character stronger then Sephiroth, then obviously Chaos is not stronger then him, if they said no one is above Sephiroth, then obviously Chaos is not above him, if they said Sephiroth is the strongest in the world, then obviously Sephiroth is stronger then Chaos. The thing is, the producers actually said that, so we can only conclude that Sephiroth is the above Chaos and the other FF7 characters, no matter how you look at it.

They are all direct translations, and there is no reason to assume all 3 quotes which some weren't even in the same interview were coincidently all incorrect mistranslations, and actually the one saying producer kitsae says Sephiroth existence is so powerful is from the UOG. The statement of no one above Sephiroth was said in an interview after the completion of DoC. The statement of Sephiroth being the most powerful in the world was said a year or 2 after the release of DoC. And if IIRC the statement of Producer Kitase saying they couldn't make any character stronger then Seph in FF7 was in the same interview as one of the above.

electricity alone cannot fry bread, you need the toaster for it to go through, Sephiroth doesnt have the toaster...i.e shown the ability to make spells without using materia.

They can still all be hyperbole, regardless of what the developer says when he is not specific at all, it can mean a variety of things, not to mention, he contradicts his own work by having Cloud defeat Sephiroth with something as simple as a sword manouver, contradiction of his own work isnt exactley making the view of sephiroth above everything clear.

Chaos is not a problem he is worthless since Sephiroths willpower would be enough, but how would he go about damaging the weapons?

Also the Sephiroth currently, which is AC is not the same as Sephiroth in FF7, he doesnt look like Safer sephiroth for example.

Originally posted by Burning thought
electricity alone cannot fry bread, you need the toaster for it to go through, Sephiroth doesnt have the toaster...i.e shown the ability to make spells without using materia.

They can still all be hyperbole, regardless of what the developer says when he is not specific at all, it can mean a variety of things, not to mention, he contradicts his own work by having Cloud defeat Sephiroth with something as simple as a sword manouver, contradiction of his own work isnt exactley making the view of sephiroth above everything clear.

Chaos is not a problem he is worthless since Sephiroths willpower would be enough, but how would he go about damaging the weapons?

Also the Sephiroth currently, which is AC is not the same as Sephiroth in FF7, he doesnt look like Safer sephiroth for example. [/B]

Originally posted by Terryc250
Electricity alone can fry bread, humans do not have full control over electricity that's why they need machines to aid in controlling it. Sephiroth does have full control over the NL, he has shown numerous times doing spells without materia, throughout FF7, if his remnants can use the NL as magic even though they have limited control over the NL, then obviously the creator of them and the creator of the NL can.

No, because they specifically state it 3 times, they don't do that with any other character but Sephiroth. You can say that about any statement, but if they have said it numerous times, you can't say they just exagerrated all of those times, chances are, it's true. Omnislash isn't a simple sword maneuver, it's not even physical, the properties are unknown, and it is basically just a move to for plot purposes because Cloud really couldn't have killed Sephiroth any other way, nor is it condradicting anything, Sephiroth did not use any of his powers at all, nor was he even serious.

Willpower, spells, negative lifestream.

The world of FF7 means the world of FF7. All of the FF7 series takes place in the same world. FF7: DoC, FF7:CC, FF7, FF7:AC, etc theyre all in the same world of FF7. Also, AC Sephiroth was stated to be the most powerful Sephiroth.

Yet a sword manourver killed him.....and from your own words, a featless one without any known properties.....

How can he destroy them with Negative lifestream? ive not seen it destroy people myself, please show.

Yes but surely the world currently in FF7 is not the world previous in FF7, things die, for example currently, Neg lifesream exists, previously it did not, currently do the Weapons exist? whats been destroyed that current? whats beein destroyed that was in FF7 whole story but is now gone?

Originally posted by Burning thought
[B]Show me the numerous times please....

Yet a sword manourver killed him.....and from your own words, a featless one without any known properties.....

How can he destroy them with Negative lifestream? ive not seen it destroy people myself, please show.

Yes but surely the world currently in FF7 is not the world previous in FF7, things die, for example currently, Neg lifesream exists, previously it did not, currently do the Weapons exist? whats been destroyed that current? whats beein destroyed that was in FF7 whole story but is now gone?

Just let it go.. Sephiroth is the most powerful character in FF7.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Sephiroth had no materia in the last fight in FF7, so every spell from the last battle were non-materia, the barrier he put up over the northern crator was his own spell.

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Originally posted by Terryc250
Just let it go.. Sephiroth is the most powerful character in FF7.

But he won't let it go. He will keep arguing and arguing until he thinks he's won, which will never happen. Sephiroth is the most poerful FF7 character, fact.

Its not fact at all, an actual in-game reason makes it fact, not some translation from a dude who sells the games and knows how populour his character has become who is then contradicted by the fact Sephiroth is defeated anyway despite being more powerful than the weapons and the Goddess herself.

Perhaps this brings to light new truths, perhaps the world of FF moves at such a slow average speed, that even the average humans speed seems like light to them and so, Chaos and Weiss are really quite slow, and Sephiroth goes at human speed...thus making him greater than they are. Same with the weapons, their so fragile, like butter could withstand more than them...just so Sephiroth can defeat them. I mean all of these things would have to be the case if Cloud (aka sad emo with a big sword) can defeat the most powerful FF7 being.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Sephiroth had so materia in the last fight in FF7, so every spell from the last battle were non-materia, the barrier he put up over the northern crator was his own spell.

Its hardly a sword maneuver, it's not even physical. It has unknown properties because its simply a plot villain killer, it would kill any villain, thats what omnislash is there for.

The lifestream destroyed meteor? And i've given u an example already of Denzels mom who was exposed to it died, and Denzel just being close to the body was caught with geostigma. Sephiroth in CC jumped into the lifestream and his body was disintegrated.

It is the same world, same characters, Minerva has existed since the planet itself, the original WEAPONs were created by the Cetra shortly after Jenova came to the planet, Omega weapon was created specially by Minerva, but was destroyed by Chaos Vincent, which was approx. 2000 years before the game started.

Just let it go.. Sephiroth is the most powerful character in FF7.

WHat last battle? safer?

Its still featless.....aka....worthless, also what says its not physical?

The lifestream but not the negative lifestream? I see......
diffrent things powered by diffrent wills...great so they would die of a disease...damn!

Yeh but what about right at the end of the latest FF, do all the weapons exist? destroyed are they not?

so since were using CURRENT sephiroth, CURRENT sephiroth in line with the dudes words on him being the strongest in the FF world, doesnt include dead things, because their not in the world anymore 😄

Originally posted by Burning thought
Its not fact at all, an actual in-game reason makes it fact, not some translation from a dude who sells the games and knows how populour his character has become who is then contradicted by the fact Sephiroth is defeated anyway despite being more powerful than the weapons and the Goddess herself.

If he says Minerva is more powerful then Chaos Vincent, then we have no choice but to believe that Minerva is more powerful no matter how much you want to debate it, the creators stating it makes it fact.

There was nothing at all contradicting. We haven't seen even close to Sephiroths full abilities, all we know is that its atleast above the other characters which makes him the most powerful character. Sephiroth was defeated by an unknown move that would take out any character.

Perhaps this brings to light new truths, perhaps the world of FF moves at such a slow average speed, that even the average humans speed seems like light to them and so, Chaos and Weiss are really quite slow, and Sephiroth goes at human speed...thus making him greater than they are. Same with the weapons, their so fragile, like butter could withstand more than them...just so Sephiroth can defeat them. I mean all of these things would have to be the case if Cloud (aka sad emo with a big sword) can defeat the most powerful FF7 being. [/B]

Cloud beat Sephiroth with a PIS move, with him not using any of his powers, Sephiroths full power is still at an unknown limit, but the creators state he's the most powerful character so we know its atleast above the others. Omnislash has no properties it was simply a move the creators put in that was powerful enough to defeat Sephiroth. If Omnislash had properties say it was just regular slashes from a sword, THEN it would be contradicting because we can gauge the level of damage, but it's not, its not even physical its simply unknown.