Dante and Sephiroth vs Kratos and Xemnas

Originally posted by Terryc250
The creators stating it numerous times makes it fact. No matter how much you think you know about the game, obviously the creator knows more, since he plans each characters power, strength, plot, story, everything, even the future.

If he says Minerva is more powerful then Chaos Vincent, then we have no choice but to believe that Minerva is more powerful no matter how much you want to debate it, the creators stating it makes it fact.

There was nothing at all contradicting. We haven't seen even close to Sephiroths full abilities, all we know is that its atleast above the other characters which makes him the most powerful character. Sephiroth was defeated by an unknown move that would take out any character.

Huh?? That makes no sense.. 😐 Why would the world of FF move at a slow average speed?

Cloud beat Sephiroth with a PIS move, with him not using any of his powers, Sephiroths full power is still at an unknown limit, but the creators state he's the most powerful character so we know its atleast above the others. Omnislash has no properties it was simply a move the creators put in that was powerful enough to defeat Sephiroth. If Omnislash had properties say it was just regular slashes from a sword, THEN it would be contradicting because we can gauge the level of damage, but it's not, its not even physical its simply unknown.

Sure he knows more but not every statement a developmer makes is A: credible and B: official, if the CEO of Eidios runs out of a bar drunk and starts telling reporters Kain is omnipotent! its not a credible source and wont be used and truth....

Would take out any character Galactus including? lol....no I dont think so...

Everything I said was making a mockery of how things work both ways, if Sephiroth is more powerful than Weapons, Minerva, yet all hes shown is being defeated by a queer emo kid with a big sword then its obvious, all those beings that you find impressive like the weapons or minerva are weak, Weapons perhaps break like glass, Minerva is prob not much more of a Goddess than I am....things work both ways.

But what says its not physical? i mean we know its using the Buster sword which obviously is physical....

Originally posted by Burning thought
[B]Sure he knows more but not every statement a developmer makes is A: credible and B: official, if the CEO of Eidios runs out of a bar drunk and starts telling reporters Kain is omnipotent! its not a credible source and wont be used and truth....

Would take out any character Galactus including? lol....no I dont think so...

Everything I said was making a mockery of how things work both ways, if Sephiroth is more powerful than Weapons, Minerva, yet all hes shown is being defeated by a queer emo kid with a big sword then its obvious, all those beings that you find impressive like the weapons or minerva are weak, Weapons perhaps break like glass, Minerva is prob not much more of a Goddess than I am....things work both ways.

But what says its not physical? i mean we know its using the Buster sword which obviously is physical....

Originally posted by Terryc250
That never happened, give me a better example. The fact that he has said it numerous times in both interviews and in the UOG means its canon. If the storywriter/producer of LOK said in an a LOK Guide that there is no other being more powerful then Kain in Nosgoth, then that would make Kain the most powerful character. The creators literally said that about Sephiroth 3 times.

Again it's an unknown attack, most likely it wouldn't because Galactus is on a whole different scale compared to FF7.

What part of Sephiroth didn't use any of his abilities or didn't put any effort at all don't you understand? If Sephiroth went all out using everything he had and still lost to Cloud THEN you would have a point, but thats not the case.

Nothing needs to be said, it's not even the Buster sword its some sword he gains in between FF7 and AC from an unknown place. It's not physical because the sword glows, then instead of cutting him, it phases through him numerous times.

The guide is the only thing you mentioned worthwhile....can you show me it? scan or something?

i.e featless, its simply a sword attack

How do you know he didnt put any effort in? this has happened twice before, its not a far reach to think the fool doesnt even have half the abilities his fans or gameplay gives to him, for all his strength/speed you say he has he NEVER uses it and its not like he hasnt faced enough battles, he was beaten by CLoud before, the guy prob doesnt have all his powers. Ive still got a point none the less, Sephiroth has still shown nothing impressive so its not a far reach to think bad things about the other FF characters is Sephiroth, a near enough featless wonder who has nothing but defeats across his belt is above them.

I could have just been an incredibly fast enough of the sword that slashes him several times...a normal metal sword, nothing states it was phasing...this sounds like a fan created assumption/theory.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The guide is the only thing you mentioned worthwhile....can you show me it? scan or something?

The Characters
Five years ago Tetsuya Nomura only designed and overlooked the physical appearances of his characters. He had some influence over various lines and personality traits, but never full control.

At the start of the AC project, he was not supervising it. However, as soon as he participated, he had a hand over the personalities, development and presentation of the characters in the sequel. He was directing for the first time and it was a job that could only be done by him, because of his large attachment to the FF7 project and Cloud.

Tetsuya Nomura:
Kitase said that Sephiroth's existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him. We had a difficult time deciding on the reason why Sephiroth would appear. Originally there was an idea that the three silver haired men would unite together (and form Sephiroth) but we rejected it because it would be too comical. Kadaj had to be approached in a different way from Sephiroth. I wanted him to be intelligent and cruel, but innocent at the same time, a mentally unstable character.

Kazushige Nojima:
Kadaj is a young character. The story started two years after the original FF7 and Cloud has gotten older. Despite that, I wanted him to fight against a younger group.

Tetsuya Nomura:
Cloud tried to lead his life positively after the end of FF7 but he cracked. He lost several things during his struggle in FF7 yet found a peaceful life in the midst of that. Still, the life made him somewhat scared and lonely. The sin which Cloud thinks he owns is not anyone's fault in particular. It is something Cloud has to overcome by himself.

Kazushige Nojima:
The story is simple: If you want to be forgiven, you have to take the hard path in life. If you don't do anything, you'll never be healed. Cloud takes his sword, fights and chooses to go through that hard path. Then finally, he is given healing and forgiveness.

i.e featless, its simply a sword attack

How do you know he didnt put any effort in? this has happened twice before, its not a far reach to think the fool doesnt even have half the abilities his fans or gameplay gives to him, for all his strength/speed you say he has he NEVER uses it and its not like he hasnt faced enough battles, he was beaten by CLoud before, the guy prob doesnt have all his powers. Ive still got a point none the less, Sephiroth has still shown nothing impressive so its not a far reach to think bad things about the other FF characters is Sephiroth, a near enough featless wonder who has nothing but defeats across his belt is above them.

Why wouldn't he have all his powers? He has shown the tip of his power and abilities throughout the movie and games. He also does have feats, like holding back Holy, infecting the planet, creating a plague, taking control over the lifestream.

I could have just been an incredibly fast enough of the sword that slashes him several times...a normal metal sword, nothing states it was phasing...this sounds like a fan created assumption/theory. [/B]

No, its common logic when people look at the video without anti-Sephiroth glasses on. What states his sword is a normal metal sword? normal metal swords don't have the durability to cut up concrete buildings for one.

5:50, do you see any sword cuts? Or sword injury? It clearly phases through his body. When he's in the air do you see even a blemish of a sword wound?
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