2012 any thoughts

Started by inimalist5 pages
Originally posted by Robtard
I see and I do like cuttlefish, but it makes me think his only revisions were the date of said event. Like he had originally written it to happen in 2006, then when that came and went, he revised it to 2007, then when that blew by without a hitch, he just said "**** it, I'll make it 2012 so I won't have to revise anything for a few years."

lol, I really wouldn't be surprised. Dec 22 2012 is going to be the biggest day of web site editing...

OH NOES!!!! MAYA PREDICT DOOM, 2014!!!

Originally posted by Robtard
Also, isn't Tiamat a Babylonian diety?

I'm not sure, I think they mean that as a planet...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Are all of your past lives total losers?

i was trying to be funny...

No no no, guys, the prophecies all point to 2017.

....oh wait. That doesn't happen until 2013, once this one has been debunked and forgotten, at which point all the evidence will become clear.

BEWARE!

🙄

Originally posted by inimalist
lol, I really wouldn't be surprised. Dec 22 2012 is going to be the biggest day of web site editing...

OH NOES!!!! MAYA PREDICT DOOM, 2014!!!

Damnit. Beat me to it.

all i ask is a few days warning at least give me time to rape pillage and murder and run up my credited cards...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxQsLLOYC7Q&feature=related

found the original video that i was talking about.

My personal favorite:

There is no reasion to believe that modern atronomy knows more about the geometry of the Galaxy than did the Maya of old, I am just more accustom to it..

Not only did it trip the Grammar Nazi alarm, it also woke my latent Dawkins-esque intolerance for stupidity.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
all i ask is a few days warning at least give me time to rape pillage and murder and run up my credited cards...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxQsLLOYC7Q&feature=related

found the original video that i was talking about.

did anyone watch this video? its from the history channel fairly reliable

Hey! I remember when these shows were posting their theories before 2000, and then before 2006.

The fact is, that on the Discovery/History channels, it's always the Apocalypse.

I was in/near Jesus Camp (not from the movie) on 6/6/06.

I guess that it wasn't really Jesus Camp, but it was as close as I've ever gotten, so I guess that the moral of the story is that I don't have a point to communicate. Sorry if this causes any formatting problems down the road...

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
did anyone watch this video? its from the history channel fairly reliable

I doubt anyone will. Claims like this are a dime a dozen. For most rational people to take it at all seriously, it needs to do something to substantiate itself beyond the normal prophecy crap that documentaries and internet forums are filled with.

Soon they'll have a new Nostradamus expose, for example. It'll be equally as fraudulent as any others, but people will buy into it or at least think it's possible....before forgetting about it, that is.

Some time, at some point, the world will come to an end (likely well after we're all dead). And enough crazy prophecies get thrown around that if it's during a time when sentient creatures still roam the earth, chances are someone will have predicted it. Sheer probability ensures that some random nut will guess correctly. But it's not foresight, prophecy, or anything mystical.

they're coming

What is the year 2012 Mayan prophecy?

Meso-American star charting started around 680 B.C. by the Olmec civilization who were recording astrological patterns in the sky and eventually shared this information with the Mayans. The Mayans had a long history of tracking the winter solstice (probably for planting crops) and creating calendars (at least 17 that we know of). At some point, they developed the belief that our sun is a god and that the Milky Way, called the “Sacred Tree,” was a gateway to the afterlife. After learning from the Olmecs, they began keeping records of the stars’ patterns of movement and continued to do so for the next 200-300 years. The Mayans then developed their own calendar (The Long Count) ca. 355 B.C. They were able to use their observations and mathematical prowess to calculate the future movements of stars across the sky. The result was that the Mayans discovered the effect of the earth’s wobbling as it spins on its axis. This wobbling rotation causes the stars’ patterns of movement to drift gradually in the sky (called “precession”) in a 5,125-year cycle. The Mayans also discovered that once every cycle the dark band at the center of the Milky Way (called the Galactic Equator) intersects with the Elliptical (the plane of the sun’s movement across the sky).

During that year, the sun reaches its solstice (a brief moment when the sun’s position in the sky is at its greatest angular distance on the other side of the equatorial plane from the observer) on December 21 for the Northern Hemisphere and June 21 for the Southern Hemisphere. That year, the solstice occurs at the moment of the conjunction of the Galactic Equator with the Milky Way. The year this occurs (in relation to our Gregorian calendar) is A.D. 2012, and happened last on August 11, 3114 B.C. With Mayan mythology teaching that our sun is a god and the Milky Way is the gateway to life and death, the Mayans concluded that this intersection in the past must have been the moment of creation. Mayan hieroglyphs seem to indicate that they believed the next intersection in 2012 would be some sort of end and a new beginning of a cycle. The Mayans also believed that the blood of human sacrifices was what powered the sun and gave it life.

All the so-called “Mayan prophecies of 2012” are nothing more than wildly speculative extrapolations, which are based on the yet uncertain interpretations by scholars of Mayan hieroglyphs. However, the truth is that apart from the astrological convergence, there is little indication that the Mayans prophesied anything specific regarding the events of this distant future. The Mayans were not prophets; they were not even able to predict their own cultural extinction. They were great mathematicians and accomplished sky watchers, but they were also a brutally violent tribal people with a primitive understanding of natural phenomena, subscribing to archaic beliefs and the barbaric practices of blood-letting and human sacrifice.

There is absolutely nothing in the Bible that would present December 21, 2012, as the end of the world. While that date is no less valid for an end-times event than any other future date, the Bible nowhere presents the astronomical phenomena the Mayans pointed to as a sign of the end times. It would seem very inconsistent of God to allow the Mayans to discover such an amazing truth while keeping the many Old Testament prophets ignorant of the timing of the events. In summary, there is absolutely no biblical evidence that the 2012 Mayan prophecy / prediction of doomsday is in any sense valid or probable.

Accepting the Mayan 2012 prophecy logically requires acceptance of the following theories: our sun is a god; the sun is powered by the blood of human sacrifice; the creation moment occurred at 3114 B.C. (despite all evidence that it happened much earlier); and the visual alignment of stars has some significance for everyday human life. Like every other false religion, the Mayan religion sought to elevate to the point of worship that which was created in place of the Creator Himself. The Bible tells us about such false worshipers: “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator” (Romans 1:25), and “since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – His eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20). To accept the Mayan 2012 prophecy also denies the clear biblical teaching about the end of the world, because Jesus told us “…of that day and hour no one knows, no, not the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but the Father” (Mark 13:32).

and you rely on your bible for prophecy rather then the mayans and other sources....... hmmm.. interesting...

Originally posted by ushomefree
the creation moment occurred at 3114 B.C. (despite all evidence that it happened much earlier);

890 years earlier mayhaps?

😉

hilarious............

😛

to bad they were going by era, ages cycles and not of actual creation point... like other religions

Originally posted by ushomefree
What is the year 2012 Mayan prophecy?

Meso-American star charting started around 680 B.C. by the Olmec civilization who were recording astrological patterns in the sky and eventually shared this information with the Mayans. The Mayans had a long history of tracking the winter solstice (probably for planting crops) and creating calendars (at least 17 that we know of). At some point, they developed the belief that our sun is a god and that the Milky Way, called the “Sacred Tree,” was a gateway to the afterlife. After learning from the Olmecs, they began keeping records of the stars’ patterns of movement and continued to do so for the next 200-300 years. The Mayans then developed their own calendar (The Long Count) ca. 355 B.C. They were able to use their observations and mathematical prowess to calculate the future movements of stars across the sky. The result was that the Mayans discovered the effect of the earth’s wobbling as it spins on its axis. This wobbling rotation causes the stars’ patterns of movement to drift gradually in the sky (called “precession”) in a 5,125-year cycle. The Mayans also discovered that once every cycle the dark band at the center of the Milky Way (called the Galactic Equator) intersects with the Elliptical (the plane of the sun’s movement across the sky).

During that year, the sun reaches its solstice (a brief moment when the sun’s position in the sky is at its greatest angular distance on the other side of the equatorial plane from the observer) on December 21 for the Northern Hemisphere and June 21 for the Southern Hemisphere. That year, the solstice occurs at the moment of the conjunction of the Galactic Equator with the Milky Way. The year this occurs (in relation to our Gregorian calendar) is A.D. 2012, and happened last on August 11, 3114 B.C. With Mayan mythology teaching that our sun is a god and the Milky Way is the gateway to life and death, the Mayans concluded that this intersection in the past must have been the moment of creation. Mayan hieroglyphs seem to indicate that they believed the next intersection in 2012 would be some sort of end and a new beginning of a cycle. The Mayans also believed that the blood of human sacrifices was what powered the sun and gave it life.

All the so-called “Mayan prophecies of 2012” are nothing more than wildly speculative extrapolations, which are based on the yet uncertain interpretations by scholars of Mayan hieroglyphs. However, the truth is that apart from the astrological convergence, there is little indication that the Mayans prophesied anything specific regarding the events of this distant future. The Mayans were not prophets; they were not even able to predict their own cultural extinction. They were great mathematicians and accomplished sky watchers, but they were also a brutally violent tribal people with a primitive understanding of natural phenomena, subscribing to archaic beliefs and the barbaric practices of blood-letting and human sacrifice.

There is absolutely nothing in the Bible that would present December 21, 2012, as the end of the world. While that date is no less valid for an end-times event than any other future date, the Bible nowhere presents the astronomical phenomena the Mayans pointed to as a sign of the end times. It would seem very inconsistent of God to allow the Mayans to discover such an amazing truth while keeping the many Old Testament prophets ignorant of the timing of the events. In summary, there is absolutely no biblical evidence that the 2012 Mayan prophecy / prediction of doomsday is in any sense valid or probable.

Accepting the Mayan 2012 prophecy logically requires acceptance of the following theories: our sun is a god; the sun is powered by the blood of human sacrifice; the creation moment occurred at 3114 B.C. (despite all evidence that it happened much earlier); and the visual alignment of stars has some significance for everyday human life. Like every other false religion, the Mayan religion sought to elevate to the point of worship that which was created in place of the Creator Himself. The Bible tells us about such false worshipers: “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator” (Romans 1:25), and “since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – His eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20). To accept the Mayan 2012 prophecy also denies the clear biblical teaching about the end of the world, because Jesus told us “…of that day and hour no one knows, no, not the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but the Father” (Mark 13:32).

Beside the fact that that is probably the single worst possible argument against the world ending in 2012 I would like to point out that Christians feast on human flesh to sate the blood mad desires of their god so you really shouldn't judge.

According to Jack Van Impe, there are Christian prophecies for the end of the world in 2012

Apparently Bennedict will die, another pope will step up, die, and in dec 2012, the anti-christ will presumably be made pope

Originally posted by inimalist
According to Jack Van Impe, there are Christian prophecies for the end of the world in 2012

Apparently Bennedict will die, another pope will step up, die, and in dec 2012, the anti-christ will presumably be made pope

The anti-christ will be a man named Father Paul Duré and will take the papal name of Teilhard I.

interesting tell me more i am really interested.... will wormwood be involved...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The anti-christ will be a man named Father Paul Duré and will take the papal name of Teilhard I.

you totally out-obscured me there...

Originally posted by inimalist
you totally out-obscured me there...

😂 It's a reference to the Hyperion Cantos by Dan Simmons. There's a character named Paul Dure who becomes the "anti-Pope" named Teilhard I. Every time he dies the "real" Pope's body replaces his and vice versa. Of course the real Pope is evil and selling out humanity to an evil machine god from the future that's building itself backwards through time with human souls.

It's so crazy that it goes all the way back around and becomes awesome.