Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
😂 It's a reference to the Hyperion Cantos by Dan Simmons. There's a character named Paul Dure who becomes the "anti-Pope" named Teilhard I. Every time he dies the "real" Pope's body replaces his and vice versa. Of course the real Pope is evil and selling out humanity to an evil machine god from the future that's building itself backwards through time with human souls.It's so crazy that it goes all the way back around and becomes awesome.
lol, that sounds kinda awesome...
if only i read...
Originally posted by Wild Shadowand you rely on your bible for prophecy rather then the mayans and other sources....... hmmm.. interesting...
Well... the Bible speaks about the coming of a one world religion and government (headed by one man). The Bible further states that this one man -- the antichrist -- will claim to be to God and enforce a mark. Without it, you won't be able to "buy" or "sell" goods (referring to commerce). Bible theologians theorize that the "mark" is a microchip, since Scripture indicates the mark being placed in hands and foreheads. The technology exists, today. I doubt, that you and I will see such things (in full form). Nonetheless, today, the notion of a one world religion and government -- the foundation/mindset thereof -- is readily available for read in today's newspapers, not to mention the idea of world economy and "universal" health care. And the crazy part of it is: I'm not making any of this up!
Jesus questioned: "When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?"
yes, i am well aware of revelations and its prophecy of the end of the world...theologians can theorize all they want when they can look around and find things in every day occurrence to fit their believes...
my earlier response was somewhat sarcastic, due to the fact that your response was insulting and dismissive of culture, religion and historical facts, and even modern astrological finding and theories.. if you had read the OP you would have bn aware that the 2012 is more then just the mayans calender and astrological signs that do not require anyone to believe the sun is a god... but simply to believe that their will be a comet that will herald the end of this current age....and by the way the calender does not end but resets itself, and the gate of life centered in the galaxy is just their description of their stellar mapping. whether they believe it is the gate way or an opening to hell or heaven or the vocal point of all life. it is irrelevent and does not dismiss their observation of a black rift in the center of the galaxy that scientist now believe to be a super black hole.. if anything it credits them and their astrological ability even more.
also using the defense that they were unable to foursee their own civilization destruction is a weak and absurd point, for your defense against their ability to predict an astrological event..
sociological prediction is completely different then astrological prediction and observation..you never took into account that the mayans and incas as well as the aztec culture were all accepting of their own destruction and death and were firm believers of the chaos of the universe, which had something to do with their own extinction...
most of your argument seem to have come from a biblical religious website that was more into religious and cultural bashing then it was about viewing and dissecting the prophecy in itself, without any real personal point of view or understanding of the 2012 prophecies from the web bot and the chinese prophecy as well as new modern scientific theories and speculation of a coming astrological phenomenal...
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
yes, i am well aware of revelations and its prophecy of the end of the world...theologians can theorize all they want when they can look around and find things in every day occurrence to fit their believes...
Well.. so can the Mayans!
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
my earlier response was somewhat sarcastic, due to the fact that your response was insulting and dismissive of culture, religion and historical facts, and even modern astrological finding and theories..
First of all I didn't write the post. Second, in what way was it "insulting and dismissive of culture, religion and historical facts, and even modern astrological finding and theories?" I'm not trying to argue.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
if you had read the OP you would have bn aware that the 2012 is more then just the mayans calender and astrological signs that do not require anyone to believe the sun is a god... but simply to believe that their will be a comet that will herald the end of this current age....and by the way the calender does not end but resets itself,
"Resets itself?" This is scientific? Explain, please.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
and the gate of life centered in the galaxy is just their description of their stellar mapping. whether they believe it is the gate way or an opening to hell or heaven or the vocal point of all life. it is irrelevent and does not dismiss their observation of a black rift in the center of the galaxy that scientist now believe to be a super black hole.. if anything it credits them and their astrological ability even more.
It's impossible for the naked eye to detect black holes. Scientists know what black holes are via technology (only)! Still, what's the relevance? Black holes are dead stars!
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
also using the defense that they were unable to foursee their own civilization destruction is a weak and absurd point, for your defense against their ability to predict an astrological event..
The point is, if able to predict the future, destruction of one's self, would (and should) have been at the top of the list. It never occurred to them.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sociological prediction is completely different then astrological prediction and observation..
True indeed.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
you never took into account that the mayans and incas as well as the aztec culture were all accepting of their own destruction and death and were firm believers of the chaos of the universe, which had something to do with their own extinction...
Based on cosmological "observation" -- a pattern. Astronomers and astro-physicists today, could calculate the destruction of man (based upon a meteor strike). 2012 would not be the sum.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
most of your argument seem to have come from a biblical religious website that was more into religious and cultural bashing then it was about viewing and dissecting the prophecy in itself,
In what way?
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
without any real personal point of view or understanding of the 2012 prophecies from the web bot and the chinese prophecy as well as new modern scientific theories and speculation of a coming astrological phenomenal...
Get a grip: Does Maya calendar predict 2012 apocalypse?
Originally posted by ushomefree
Well... the Bible speaks about the coming of a one world religion and government (headed by one man). The Bible further states that this one man -- the antichrist -- will claim to be to God and enforce a mark. Without it, you won't be able to "buy" or "sell" goods (referring to commerce). Bible theologians theorize that the "mark" is a microchip, since Scripture indicates the mark being placed in hands and foreheads. The technology exists, today. I doubt, that you and I will see such things (in full form). Nonetheless, today, the notion of a one world religion and government -- the foundation/mindset thereof -- is readily available for read in today's newspapers, not to mention the idea of world economy and "universal" health care. And the crazy part of it is: I'm not making any of this up![b]Jesus questioned: "When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
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Postdiction and speculation.
[QUOTE=11418784]Originally posted by ushomefree
[B]Well.. so can the Mayans!
RESPONSE: no they cant mayans are dead big difference.. revelations as i recall was written in code for its time of roman oppression and king nero for the masses...
First of all I didn't write the post. Second, in what way was it "insulting and dismissive of culture, religion and historical facts, and even modern astrological finding and theories?" I'm not trying to argue.
RESPONSE: you might want to read what someone else post before you decide to use it....
well the whole. you need to believe the sun is a god that needed human sacrifice and you need to believe that in order to take the prophecy seriously....plus why would god allow the mayans and meso americans to have knowledge of a prophecy and not its true followers.. pretty insulting racist and elitist.. and none of the meso were true judeo christian prophets as if that makes a difference...
"Resets itself?" This is scientific? Explain, please.
RESPONSE: the calender does not end end, but simply restarts agains in a circular pattern for the next era or ages however you want to look at it... once it reaches zero it starts again until it reaches the end of its cycle and back to zero..
It's impossible for the naked eye to detect black holes. Scientists know what black holes are via technology (only)! Still, what's the relevance? Black holes are dead stars!
RESPONSE: yes blackhole cant be seen through the human eye. they can still be detected by gravitational patterns around surrounding celestial bodies that the ancients were capable of deducing without physical confirmation.. just like einstein and multiple theorist using math which ancient were good at. relevence of the black hole is that it seems to coincide with natural disasters that mayans believed was somehow responsible along with the appearance of a comet that appears to herald the natural disasters.. they dont believe it actually is the cause just a sign..
The point is, if able to predict the future, destruction of one's self, would (and should) have been at the top of the list. It never occurred to them.
RESPONSE: no it is not.... a true understanding of how finite once life is would have a different effect to a society who understood death and accept one's own death via their poems and sculptures which had major themes of death and chaos and end of the universe and a natural endless loop of life and death.... the aztec and mayans predicted their own down fall with the plume serpent the god of the cross coming from the east.. cortez of course, they accepted it and did nothing to prevent it.. there demise there stories and legends told them what would happen...
its like saying a christian would try to avoid the coming of jesus...
True indeed.
Based on cosmological "observation" -- a pattern. Astronomers and astro-physicists today, could calculate the destruction of man (based upon a meteor strike). 2012 would not be the sum.
RESPONSE : again the mayans did not predict the the comet being responsible for earth upheavel, but simply believes it would be seen. from there understanding of astrology and solar gravitational pull in our solar system... mayans never claimed it would wipe out all man but simply start a new cycle... as far as we know we have yet to see and calculate all of our solar systems astro bodies and debri and moons.. to say scientist would know is a strench they would need yrs of research observation to remotely begin to predict every comet, asteroids that circles our solar system and intersect...
In what way?
RESPONSE: are you serious reread your own post and tell me it doesnt seem like a bias religious view point.......
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
So.. I been watching some Documentaries of the 2012 myths,
Mayans, Chinese and web bot Project and other religions... They even had Scientist talking about Solar planetary alignments that would cause the earth core shift, they said it had something to do with a super blackhole in our galaxy....anybody hear about this and have any opinion on the subject?
could it cause mass extinction or just mild global disturbance?
could it be biblical/mythological end of days?
prophets have hinted of global war and global upheaval?