Originally posted by ultimatethor
Yeah thats the impression i got, so much for the whole "most powerful weapon in the universe" thing. As for the thread, maybe i should chuck wonder woman and add flash instead. Would that be a better scenario?
Hellz no to the Flash, some people are going to so over power him in a forum fight more so than Supes.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Did you hit your head, your big, smarter brother started using your account, or are you just faking the backing up-DC characters so that you don't look like an idiot with every post ?
I didnt hit anything; we have 3 of dc most heaviest hitters against two of marvels. Either of these opponents on dc team could stalemate/stall one of the members on marvel side but a 3rd person was added to dc side that is just as powerful. Hell martian manhunter is almost as versatile as anyone on the battle, he has low showings but if we base this fight off of his powerset and how he should use them he could pull some wins from surfer or genis.
If I was to set this fight up I would have martian fight surfer until supes and wonder woman get the chance and opportunity to ko genis which WILL happen.
This fight is lopsided and not even at all. Just my opinion though.
Originally posted by Raoul
why diana and j'onn? why?team 1...
I'm sorry, but why Superman? Why?
No one on team 2 can beat SS but Superman just gets destroyed by him even faster. With cosmic awareness and the ability to drain his solar energy, what is Clark going to do against him? I just don't see a scenario where Clark can win.
I don't know a lot about genis, but he also has cosmic awareness and energy absorption abilities, right? If he can do to Clark what Surfer can do, then Clark is pretty useless in this fight.
Diana doesn't fair much better. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that her bracers and shield effect would work against the 2 but without a whole bunch of other gear and prep, that's all she has.
J'onn is at least more versatile. Maybe pair him up with Hal and Orion?
These are just two opponents who don't match up well for Clark and Diana. It's not a comment on their standing in the DCU.
Again, it's just my opinion.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I'm sorry, but why Superman? Why?No one on team 3 can beat SS but Superman just gets destroyed by him even faster. With cosmic awareness and the ability to drain his solar energy, what is Clark going to do against him? I just don't see a scenario where Clark can win.
I don't know a lot about genis, but he also has cosmic awareness and energy absorption abilities, right? If he can do to Clark what Surfer can do, then Clark is pretty useless in this fight.
Because according to some people Supes weaknesses cant be exploited that quickly.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I'm sorry, but why Superman? Why?No one on team 2 can beat SS but Superman just gets destroyed by him even faster. With cosmic awareness and the ability to drain his solar energy, what is Clark going to do against him? I just don't see a scenario where Clark can win.
I don't know a lot about genis, but he also has cosmic awareness and energy absorption abilities, right? If he can do to Clark what Surfer can do, then Clark is pretty useless in this fight.
Diana doesn't fair much better. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that her bracers and shield effect would work against the 2 but without a whole bunch of other gear and prep, that's all she has.
J'onn is at least more versatile. Maybe pair him up with Hal and Orion?
These are just two opponents who don't match up well for Clark and Diana. It's not a comment on their standing in the DCU.
Again, it's just my opinion.
It's a overrated weakness since supes has shown to recover nearly instantly from solar draining,resisting the affects of K-nite and even fighting past red solar enery...and oddly enough some of his most impressive feats come from being depowered. I suppose the other more important fact that is being overlooked is supes speed...and the huge leap of judgment we are making by assuming SS will not not only be able to recreate k-nite and red solar enery but that he will do in a timly manner while Supes simply forgets his superior speed advantage. Overlooking supes superior combat speed, overall better stats and incredible MA abiltiy...this fight is hardly the way most peopl are making it out to be. Sure, SS has versatility but supes has overcome versatile opponents before....and usually ones that are equal if not downright more powerful then Norrin.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
It's a overrated weakness since supes has shown to recover nearly instantly from solar draining,resisting the affects of K-nite and even fighting past red solar enery...and oddly enough some of his most impressive feats come from being depowered. I suppose the other more important fact that is being overlooked is supes speed...and the huge leap of judgment we are making by assuming SS will not not only be able to recreate k-nite and red solar enery but that he will do in a timly manner while Supes simply forgets his superior speed advantage. Overlooking supes superior combat speed, overall better stats and incredible MA abiltiy...this fight is hardly the way most peopl are making it out to be. Sure, SS has versatility but supes has overcome versatile opponents before....and usually ones that are equal if not downright more powerful then Norrin.
And what if Surfer use Yellow Solar Energy Drain with one hand, Red Son Beam with the other and fart kryptonite? Would Sups would resist to that!?
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But seriously, team 1 stomp.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
And what if Surfer use Yellow Solar Energy Drain with one hand, Red Son Beam with the other and fart kryptonite? Would Sups would resist to that!?
💃But seriously, team 1 stomp.
Or if supes just blitz SS since he is faster in combat and KO's SS since he does have better stats afterall, although I guess it's common for SS to use his cosmic awarness and recreate rare energy frequencies incredibly fast...especially to a character that is second only to wally in terms of speed.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Or if supes just blitz SS since he is faster in combat and KO's SS since he does have better stats afterall, although I guess it's common for SS to use his cosmic awarness and recreate rare energy frequencies incredibly fast...especially to a character that is second only to wally in terms of speed.
Or what if Surfer bull rush Sups head, because he have one of the biggest straight line speed in the comics, and use the trick said above by myself?
Or just bfr his ass 10 years light away, kick with Genis the other two asses and finish Sups in a fraction of second?
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Or what if Surfer bull rush Sups head, because he have one of the biggest straight line speed in the comics, and use the trick said above by myself?Or just bfr his ass 10 years light away, kick with Genis the other two asses and finish Sups in a fraction of second?
BFR has worked agaisnt supes when exactly...and supes has resisted skyfather level transmutation and somehow only a herald level being will do what hasn't been done before lol. Bullrushing....SS has done that when exactly and besides that supes could probably do the same since he does have the battle tendency to fight that way. SS bullrush has been countered and reacted to by Thanos of all people and supes>Thanos in regards to speed reflex.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
BFR has worked agaisnt supes when exactly...and supes has resisted skyfather level transmutation and somehow only a herald level being will do what hasn't been done before lol. Bullrushing....SS has done that when exactly and besides that supes could probably do the same since he does have the battle tendency to fight that way. SS bullrush has been countered and reacted to by Thanos of all people and supes>Thanos in regards to speed reflex.
Surfer just bfr Nova in a recent comics. Sups have a supower to stop the bfr-ing?
And does these Skyfather possesses the Cosmic Awarness?
When Thanos countered the bull rush of Surfer?
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I'm sorry, but why Superman? Why?No one on team 2 can beat SS but Superman just gets destroyed by him even faster. With cosmic awareness and the ability to drain his solar energy, what is Clark going to do against him? I just don't see a scenario where Clark can win.
I don't know a lot about genis, but he also has cosmic awareness and energy absorption abilities, right? If he can do to Clark what Surfer can do, then Clark is pretty useless in this fight.
Diana doesn't fair much better. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that her bracers and shield effect would work against the 2 but without a whole bunch of other gear and prep, that's all she has.
J'onn is at least more versatile. Maybe pair him up with Hal and Orion?
These are just two opponents who don't match up well for Clark and Diana. It's not a comment on their standing in the DCU.
Again, it's just my opinion.
Its true that supes doesnt match up well against surfer at all ( and really probably doesnt match up well against genis either). Really i only put diana and MM cuz they were the ones that came to my mind as the two next powerful league members after supes. Adding a gl to the fight might make it more even i suppose.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Surfer just bfr Nova in a recent comics. Sups have a supower to stop the bfr-ing?And does these Skyfather possesses the Cosmic Awarness?
When Thanos countered the bull rush of Surfer?
So a skyfather needs cosmic awarness to be impressive, supes resisted transmutation so how will BFR even be viable...that would like saying Thor could BRF SS. Most GL's have a form of cosmic awarness so...I dunno does that mean average GL>Supes now according to that line of reasoning.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I'm sorry, but why Superman? Why?
cosmic awareness, imo, is one of the most overstated powers on this forum.
it's not some magic light switch that goes off in norrin's head saying 'ooh, kryptonite and red sun'
red sun is all but useless anyways, unless there's actually no sun around to power him, as he regenerates as fast as the power can be pushed out of him...
can norrin scan him and figure out his weaknesses? of course he can. that's why i said bring in someone different...
the only thing clark doesn't bring to a fight that j'onn brings is what, telepathy?
diana doesn't bring much bar the lasso.
imo, the only advantage those two have over clark is their lack of a kryptonite/red sun weakness.
and he's superman, he's stronger, faster, and, well, he's superman. having him on your team increases your chances by at least a factor of... let's say five.
surfer wouldnt be the first person to try and use his exploitable weaknesses against him. it's not going to be easy by any means, imo.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
So a skyfather needs cosmic awarness to be impressive, supes resisted transmutation so how will BFR even be viable...that would like saying Thor could BRF SS. Most GL's have a form of cosmic awarness so...I dunno does that mean average GL>Supes now according to that line of reasoning.
I didn't say that it takes to Skyfathers Cosmic Awarness in order to be impressive. But against Sups, it's more efficiently, because of the automatic knowledge of his weakness.
And probably that Thor can bfr Surfer, but Surfer can teleport trew time and space, so...