Originally posted by ultimatethor
Pfft. surfer doesnt have a weakness to magic unlike superman😏
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Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
Because he has Super Strength, I never said they didnt.So I guess Power Girl is on the same level as Superman than?
power girl isn't the same thing. at all.
superman is to non what i am to brock lesnar.
Originally posted by janus77
Surfer speedblitzed Nova, who himself is an FTL character.Surfer's speed of thought and action far surpasses Superman's, imo.
SS doesn't have the combat related speed showings to prove that, were not judging by powersets but by the feats performed. Supes speed caught amazo off guard as well, and amazo has the combined attributes of the JLA.
Originally posted by janus77
he does and he has.
No he doesn't, there is no combat speed feat SS has that tops Supes and even goober conceded that point. At best, SS can intiate blast at high speeds and has fast mobolity...although its rarly ultalized agaisnt opponents but more for large groups of ships and what not.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Yet he was more then happy to get oneshotted by odin while Supes still was able to fight after being blasted by gog.
Superman really is not up to Surfer's tier. no amount of lowballing is going to change that.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
That was fast 😉I get your point. For me it's the fact that Surfer can drain his powers AND exploit his other weaknesses, all the while wielding the power cosmic and having speed and durability of his own that are impressive. Whether it's easy or not the result is the same for me. *shrug*
Maybe Diana can get Apollo to cast some spell on him 😄
All those things are easily countered, on the other hand I see no counter for T-VO.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
No he doesn't, there is no combat speed feat SS has that tops Supes and even goober conceded that point. At best, SS can intiate blast at high speeds and has fast mobolity...although its rarly ultalized agaisnt opponents but more for large groups of ships and what not.
Originally posted by janus77
and Surfer's survived being smashed up by T&A, being cut and blasted to pieces by UniLord (a juiced up Watcher) ...Superman really is not up to Surfer's tier. no amount of lowballing is going to change that.
How do you figure....Supes took a point blank explosion from sun eater while depowered, a blast from gog's staff(remember supes appearntly has a weakness to magic), transmutation from a skyfather level character and even the sourced powered IM.
Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
She is Kryptonian.Non, and? hes not a average Kryptonian.
she's an earth 2 kryptonian that is at best supergirl level.
did you read the last son arc in action? a kryptonian army takes over earth. who stops them? green lanterns? wonder woman? mm? the jla?
no. superman, lex, metallo and parasite, are the frontline soldiers in that battle until they free the other heroes.
Originally posted by Mindset
I'd say the they're the same tier, but SS beats him.
he hasn't got any versatility, he has strength yes but that's hardly going to factor against Herald levellers, he isn't as fast as a standard trans-light Herald etc etc...
dunno, I see it as being extremely charitable, to bump Superman upto Surfer's tier.
Originally posted by janus77
he has, on-panel, disarmed a whole armada in one-panel, attacked the entire earth and BLITZED Nova so fast that Nova couldn't even see him!
Right, supes blitz Apok's army with DS in it lol. He has even blitz a city full of villans and more impressivly has displayed the ability to fight at superspeed.
Originally posted by RaoulDon't forget Chris!@
she's an earth 2 kryptonian that is at best supergirl level.did you read the last son arc in action? a kryptonian army takes over earth. who stops them? green lanterns? wonder woman? mm? the jla?
no. superman, lex, metallo and parasite, are the frontline soldiers in that battle until they free the other heroes.
Originally posted by Raoul
she's an earth 2 kryptonian that is at best supergirl level.did you read the last son arc in action? a kryptonian army takes over earth. who stops them? green lanterns? wonder woman? mm? the jla?
no. superman, lex, metallo and parasite, are the frontline soldiers in that battle until they free the other heroes.
And your point? They are still less powerful than Silver Surfer and Genis vell.