Originally posted by Bouboumaster
You didn't know about THAT power?!It's the third coolest power ever, just behind Super Weaving and T-VO! 😱 The Super-Anti-BFR-ing!
Or it isn't like supes simply can't fly back since he is a FTL character, althought you're right if supes uses T-VO there isn't anything SS could do...why didnt I think of that right mate. Anything else....aside from the BFR insanity or and "weakness exploitation"LMAO.
Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
Even Galactus couldnt BFR Supes.
lmao. i guess of supes is BFred to some unknown place and time period or dimension, he will simply just fly back.
Edit: But seriously how can any serious discussion take place when someone thinks that BFR and transmutation are the same thing?
Originally posted by ultimatethor
lmao. i guess of supes is BFred to some unknown place and time period or dimension, he will simply just fly back.Edit: But seriously how can any serious discussion take place when someone thinks that BFR and transmutation are the same thing?
Well you are guys making basless assertions, I could easily go with the T-VO excuse in every debate but I actually try debating what's likly and consistent. So if I say supes could outtrace SS and blitz KO him there is some merit to it since he has the speed and feats to support it....SS BRFing somone on supes level is a tremendous leap in judgment and spoken in complete ignorance of supes powers.
Originally posted by Raouland he's superman, he's stronger, faster, and, well, he's superman. having him on your team increases your chances by at least a factor of... let's say five.
Yes but after Surfer has drained Clark how much stronger and more durable will he be and how long will it take him to recover? (That was an actual question, not a rhetorical one).
And Surfer isn't exactly slow is he? He'll be fast enough to do what he needs to do and the longer the fight goes the more time he'll have to detect the weaknesses (plural).
Clark's strength, combat speed and MA skills only come into play if he survives the ways Surfer will inevitably try to depower him. Hell Diana is just as good in that department and it wouldn't do her any good in taking him down.
The whole cosmic awareness thing may be a load of crap, but if I'm to believe that with enough time Batman can take down just about anyone in a forum fight, then I'll give the same deference to CA.
J'onn at least brings telepathy and his phasing ability. And both he and Diana don't have easily exploitable weakness. I also think she has better defensive capabilities in this particular fight (assuming she went on the defense from the start, which I doubt she would). Like I said though, I'd take her out of this fight too. This just will always be a bad match-up for Supes imo. It's just harder for me to believe that Clark KO's him before Norrin goes all kinds of cosmic on him.
To each his own of course.
My god, What in the world are u talking about Galen? I never made any claim that surfer would BFR supes as its not like he would need to do that in order to beat him anyways. And in case u didnt read the OP CIS is off.
That wasnt the point anyways, I simply found it shocking just as anyone would that u dont even know the difference between transmutaion and BFR!. lulz ignorance of supes powers? looool.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Yes but after Surfer has drained Clark how much stronger and more durable will he be and how long will it take him to recover? (That was an actual question, not a rhetorical one).And Surfer isn't exactly slow is he? He'll be fast enough to do what he needs to do and the longer the fight goes the more time he'll have to detect the weaknesses (plural).
Clark's strength, combat speed and MA skills only come into play if he survives the ways Surfer will inevitably try to depower him. Hell Diana is just as good in that department and it wouldn't do her any good in taking him down.
The whole cosmic awareness thing may be a load of crap, but if I'm to believe that with enough time Batman can take down just about anyone in a forum fight, then I'll give the same deference to CA.
J'onn at least brings telepathy and his phasing ability. And both he and Diana don't have easily exploitable weakness. I also think she has better defensive capabilities in this particular fight (assuming she went on the defense from the start, which I doubt she would). Like I said though, I'd take her out of this fight too. This just will always be a bad match-up for Supes imo. It's just harder for me to believe that Clark KO's him before Norrin goes all kinds of cosmic on him.
To each his own of course.
but that's the thing. AFTER he drains clark. that in itself isn't going to be quick. superman fights people all the time that try to drain his powers. lex, metallo, parasite. these are all people that either know his weaknesses, or can drain his powers.
i'm not saying surfer can't do it, of course he can. i'm just saying i don't think it's going to be easy at all.
Originally posted by Raoul
but that's the thing. AFTER he drains clark. that in itself isn't going to be quick. superman fights people all the time that try to drain his powers. lex, metallo, parasite. these are all people that either know his weaknesses, or can drain his powers.i'm not saying surfer can do it, of course he can. i'm just saying i don't think it's going to be easy at all.
None of those people are even close to the power of Thanos, Genis or Silver Surfer.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Yes but after Surfer has drained Clark how much stronger and more durable will he be and how long will it take him to recover? (That was an actual question, not a rhetorical one).And Surfer isn't exactly slow is he? He'll be fast enough to do what he needs to do and the longer the fight goes the more time he'll have to detect the weaknesses (plural).
Clark's strength, combat speed and MA skills only come into play if he survives the ways Surfer will inevitably try to depower him. Hell Diana is just as good in that department and it wouldn't do her any good in taking him down.
The whole cosmic awareness thing may be a load of crap, but if I'm to believe that with enough time Batman can take down just about anyone in a forum fight, then I'll give the same deference to CA.
J'onn at least brings telepathy and his phasing ability. And both he and Diana don't have easily exploitable weakness. I also think she has better defensive capabilities in this particular fight (assuming she went on the defense from the start, which I doubt she would). Like I said though, I'd take her out of this fight too. This just will always be a bad match-up for Supes imo. It's just harder for me to believe that Clark KO's him before Norrin goes all kinds of cosmic on him.
To each his own of course.
SS doesn't have comparable combat speed though, infact most of his more impressive combat related speed showins are not agaisn't actual opponents. In supse situation, he can move faster then a nano-second and can ultalize speed not just for travel but combat as well. I'm not saying he goes completly unaffected by k-nite/red-energy draining but as I stated before he has fought through these exploits to gain victory in the past. While depowered, he whistood e explosion that was several times more potent then supernova's and oddly enough a lot his speed related combat showgins occured during momments when he is depowered and supposly not 100%.
At full power and full capctiy, I simply fail to see how it is a easy victory for SS considering supes superior stats. As I said before, versatility is great but supes has fought past versatile opponents before that easily comparable if not even more powerful then SS. Recreating k-nite/red solar energy is a process, which agaisnt someone who can fight so fast that they can appear at 4 different points of the world in the time it takes to finish a setence is more risky then anything else. Although if CIS of off then Supes would just T-VO him for the cheap win lol
Originally posted by Raoul
but that's the thing. AFTER he drains clark. that in itself isn't going to be quick. superman fights people all the time that try to drain his powers. lex, metallo, parasite. these are all people that either know his weaknesses, or can drain his powers.i'm not saying surfer can't do it, of course he can. i'm just saying i don't think it's going to be easy at all.
That was fast 😉
I get your point. For me it's the fact that Surfer can drain his powers AND exploit his other weaknesses, all the while wielding the power cosmic and having speed and durability of his own that are impressive. Whether it's easy or not the result is the same for me. *shrug*
Maybe Diana can get Apollo to cast some spell on him 😄
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
That was fast 😉I get your point. For me it's the fact that Surfer can drain his powers AND exploit his other weaknesses, all the while wielding the power cosmic and having speed and durability of his own that are impressive. Whether it's easy or not the result is the same for me. *shrug*
Maybe Diana can get Apollo to cast some spell on him 😄
😂, maybe...